ex-officials in those foreign governments, communicating presumably in unsecured manner with them, is thinsetting polic perhaps. it seems, frankly, like a nightmare from a counterintelligence perspective or a national security perspective. >> i think rudy giuliani is masquerading as donald trump's lawyer. he is this personal envoy who is trying to seek out dirt on the political rivals of donald trump. so he's engaged in thee activities that are clearly not coordinated with the department of state, as our ambassadors and others have attested to. and so, therefore, rudy giuliani is just this rogue operator out there. and, unfortunately, i think individuals who tend to be corrupt will seek out others who are corrupt because then they can work with them. so i'm really concerned about what rudy giuliani is doing and how that really is affecting our national security interests and our foreign policy. which is i think, again, suffering greatly under donald