arguments. and then the third aspect is alternatives. so if you're still kind of thinking about the vaccine because maybe you're scared of covid because you think it's real or you know someone that's died at this point from covid they give you all kinds of alternatives that can cure you. vaping. tamiflu, antibiotics. i'm not joking. these are all things that fox news, while they're downplaying the vaccine, is proposing as alternatives as to why you shouldn't be scared about covid at all. >> michael, there have been these raft of stories, there have been several conservative talk radio hosts who have railed against the vaccine, they have not been vaccinated, some of them have gotten very sick. a few of them have passed away. they're very upsetting stories and they're very sad stories. what they show is that these individuals believed what they were saying, right? i mean, they were on air saying i don't believe in the vaccine, i don't think you should either, and they didn't get themselves vaccinated and ultimately they