to challenge the election results. it actually pretty unusual and a very big deal that somebody who was on that legal team is playing ball with the committee and cooperating with them, at least in as extensive as away as kerik has engaged. now, phil waldron might not be a household name, he's not even a household name necessarily in my household. waldron is really interesting though because he's most associated with, i think a 38-page powerpoint plan that circulated on capitol hill that found its way to mark meadows inbox, when he was white house chief of staff. and that laid out a very expensive plan for trying to overturn the election results. additionally, waldron has told reporters that when he was in the defense intelligence agency that he worked with michael flynn when michael flynn was there as well. and so waldron claims to have that connection. the u.s. defense department hasn't commented on the nature of waldron's military service, but he says he has got relationship with --