democrats. he can do this very, very ambitious reconciliation bill, build back better program, without any republicans, but he has to hold the democrats. fortunately for him he does have good relations with them on the hill. they don't want to screw him. they're not interested in bringing down the biden presidency, which is what will happen if this bill doesn't go through. so even though they're going to grouse about a lot of things and the price tag will be cut some, it's still an enormous public investment and i think the odds still favor passage. >> and, robert, what about how hard this is going to be? people don't count biden out because he has been just such a come from behind guy throughout the primaries certainly, but this is a really tough, tough challenge now. >> well, undoubtedly it is going