it was just him moving around, i don't think he grabbed anything other than he did grab my gun. and then he just kept saying i need to go i need to go. >> what did you think when you heard all of these things? >> i thought we had a significant problem, we had a gentleman, who died now known was a member of the campus public safety, whose wife was a police recruit. who was potentially arms. would have some knowledge of the way police initiate an investigation. >> so, now on the, run he knew what police would do. but, seemed like isabelle was being very vague about him. >> we had very little information about who he was and when his background was. it was almost alarming that we didn't know much about him. >> or more importantly, where he was now. >> only place she think he could be going is traveling southbound from central oregon.