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MSNBC MSNBC Live October 7, 2013

Place where were defaulting on our obligations of government pauf congress failure to act. Heres whats making this looking more likely. The Tea Party Republican saying in a sunday interview that hed be willing to dance on the debt ceiling if it meant defunding obama care. We should look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. So you think that some facet of the president S Health Care plan should be attached to an increase in the debt ceiling . The debt ceiling historically has been among the best renlevee congress has to rein in the executive so yes . Yes. Independent vermont senator Bernie Sanders serves on five committees, including veterans affairs, which he chairs. As we listen there to ted cruz, i know you can put this into a balance of a unique perspective that you have as the longest serving independent member of congress, you say republicans are trying to hijack the government until they get their way. We see ted cruz there and what his tactics are. This morning we have 300,000 pentagon employees returning to work. Hundreds of thousands remain furloughed. If we take the nbc whip count seriously, there are enough votes to pass a clean cr but john boehner is not going to do it. So you heard the new ad out is calling john boehner a croy bab. Is that fair or is that an overreach in trying to equate congress to children . I think most people would think the republicans are acting kind of childish. But heres the important point. Boehner has basically acknowledged and everybody has got to understand this, that harry reid reached an agreement with boehner on a conservative budget. 986 billion. That is sequestration. That is 70 billion less than the budget that i supported in the senate. A major concession was already reached, point one. Point number two, what we believe is that some 21, 22 republicans in the house have said given the opportunity to vote on a clean cr, they would. So we think that boehner is not being accurate when he says there is not the votes. Bring it to a vote, lets find out whats happening. Third point, something ive been saying for a while and i think the New York Times just confirmed it, confirmed it on its front page yesterday, lets not kid ourselves. This shutdown is not something that just came about a couple of weeks ago through ted cruz. This has been planned by the Koch Brothers and other very, very wealthy people from the day after obama was reelected. And what theyre feeling is let us go to the extreme. Let us be prepared to shut down the government, not pay the national debt, lets use every ounce of leverage that we have, even if it means catastrophic pain for america and the world, so long as we get our way. Sir, let me interrupt just one second because i want to show that again just so we have it in context, the article that you referenced, a blueprint to defunding obama care, a takenoprisoners legislative strategy basically to get obama care repealed. We know that the wheels were set in motion right after the president was reelected. He ran on this. Ran against somebody who was running against obama care, although mitt romney instituted basically obama care in massachusetts back in 2006, but well digress on that point. But on your website, you go on to say theres a larger end game here. Their agenda is to end Social Security and medicare, aballish the medical wage, destroy the epa and undo every other program enacted to protect working families in america. Are the two sides so far apart, sir, on this issue that government is basically broken from the inside out . No. The real issue is, if you look at what the Koch Brothers agenda is, look at what many of the extreme right wing people believe. Obama care is just the tip of the iceberg. These people want to abolish the concept of the minimum wage. They want to privatize the veterans administration. They want to privatize Social Security. End medicare as we know it. Massive cuts in medicaid. Wipe out the epa. You dont have an Environmental Protection agency anymore. Department of energy, gone. Department of education, gone. That is their agenda and many people dont understand it. Koch brothers have poured hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into the tea party and all other kinds of ancillary organization to push this agenda. So what you are fighting now is a continuation of the class warfare that has been going on in this country for the last many years. The rich are getting richer. Number of people in poverty alltime high. Middle class disappearing. These guys using Citizens United and other forms are now banging away and doing everything that they can. They have got more tax breaks for the people on top and devastating cuts for working families. Senator, meanwhile ted krooucruz is coming out on top of this as a Tea Party Hero kind of guy. Heres what he had to say on cnn about whether this has hurt the republican brand and we have the president seeming to take aim square low at cruz in his interview. I want to show everybody. Take a look. Do you think youve hurt the Republican Party brand . Not remotely, but i also think far too many people are worried about politics. I recognize that in todays media age being controversial, taking controversial positions, you know, rallying the most extreme parts of your base, whether its left or right, is a lot of times the fastest way to get attention or raise money, but its not good for government. So, sir, when you have people like ted cruz who feel they have nothing to lose by driving the show here, how do you ascertain being that you are an independent that someone like you can get in between these two sides to help chart the right waters . Well, i think its my job is to speak for the American People. And i think what the American People are saying, in overwhelming numbers is you dont shut down the government because you cant get your way. What the American People are really angry about is not only do they believe we shouldnt have a shutdown. Do you know what they do believe . They believe we have to create millions of jobs. Real unemployment is extraordinarily high. They believe we have to raise the minimum wage. They believe we have to make college affordable. They believe in many cases we have to make this country more Energy Efficient and deal with global warm. So the American People are sitting there going what is going on in washington . My family is hurting, my kid doesnt have a job, im worried about the future of Social Security, an these guys are talking about shutting down the government because they cant end obama care . Let me say one thing about obama care. We are the one thing in the industrialized world that doesnt guarantee health care to all people. According to a harvard study, some 45,000 people every year die because they dont get to a doctor on time. Obama care, as you indicated, similar to romney care in massachusetts, is a modest way forward to provide Health Insurance to 20, 25 million americans. You do away with that, youre going to see people dying, many people dying who otherwise would be alive. Senator Bernie Sanders, thanks for your time. Well let you get back to work. I appreciate it. Joining me now, jonathan capehart. Jonathan, here we are. Were in the middle of this day seven of the shutdown, so weve got that on the calendar and are living through it but looking down the line at october 17th. Thats when it comes to the debt ceiling, and the treasury secretary, jack lew, went around on all the sunday shows saying that congress is really playing with fire. As we look at the markets today and we see red arrows across the board, still near the psychological benchmark of 15,000 but down almost 100 points and we saw over the weekend Speaker Boehner vowing that his party, they wont vote to raise the debt ceiling without concessions and president obama says that thats not really up for negotiations. But your colleague, greg sergeant, points out that john boehner doesnt really want to negotiate with president obama. So is it possible that both sides are going to be getting burned here in the long run . I think everyone will get burned in the long run if the full faith and credit of the United States is destroyed because congress hasnt lifted the debt ceiling. One thing people need to remember is that raising the debt ceiling is not new spending. Raising the debt ceiling means that the government can borrow money to pay for bills that congress approved. So if the United States doesnt pay its bills, if the United States doesnt not only pay the interest on the debt, which a lot of republicans think that thats all the United States government needs to do and not be in default, but if you listen to other economists and folks on wall street, even if the United States were to pay the interest on a debt but then decide not decide, but cant pay Social Security benefits, medicare and medicaid benefits, federal pay and other things that are coming due, pickly on november 1st, that is would put the United States technically in default. And speaker of the house cant do it, president cant allow that to happen. Jonathan capehart. We have an abbreviated time schedule this morning, i apologize, but great to have you on. 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I hope that the perception is in the world that people who commit acts of terror and who have been appropriately indicted by courts of law, by the legal process, will know that the United States of america is going to do everything in its power that is legal and appropriate in order to enforce the law and protect our security. All right. Strong message that theyre not off the hook. Joining me now terrorism analyst evan kohlmann. Its great to have you here. Yes, this is a great message to people around the globe that theyre not off the hook for crimes that they have been convicted of, as the secretary was pointing out there. Whats the next step in his process of custody . Right now hes going to be interrogated by individuals who were experienced at this and hes not going to be read his miranda rights. Hes going to be interrogated for information that might be regarding ongoing activities, not what he did back in 1998 or even later. Right now does he know about anything going on with al qaedas Networks Inside libya or does he know about what happened in benghazi, et cetera, et cetera. Is there any information that he has that we can get out of him. His greatest value probably was ten years ago so we want to try to scoop up as much as we can as quickly as possible. When you talk about that its in context to osama bin laden, his relationship, close relationship inside al qaeda and with bin laden himself when they were much more active. So is he going to be seen as a history gold mine almost of being able to connect the dots and put together a lot of missing parts . We dont really know. The question is what does he know about whats going on in libya right now. A lot of what happened back in the Embassy Bombings, what he was involved with, we already know a lot about that. There were two different federal informant that say testified here in court in new york in great detail about what he and others did as a part of that plot. I think what we really want to see is what does he know past that, post that, because after those two informants left al qaeda, we lost our inside view. So maybe he has more information that can supplement that. But we dont really know right now. Turning to the al shabaab and the navy s. E. A. L. , their attempt that took place in somalia, it was successful. We did not lose anybody. So we look at it from that aspect, that the navy s. E. A. L. Team, it came home but it did not fulfill the intended mission of taking the leader out. What does it say about the anticipation of what they ran into and the preparation that depose in goes into a mission . The whole purpose of doing this as opposed to launching a drone strike is the idea this is a crowded area, we dont want to kill civilians, we dont know whos there. The problem with that is youre attacking a guest house used by hardcore somali militants in the middle of their home territo territory. So as soon as they find out youre there, theyre going to start shooting. This is not the bin laden compound where bin laden is out in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nobody who can protect him. This is in the middle of shab b shabaabs home turf so its not too surprising that they figured out this and fought off the attack. I think the question is more along the lines of what was the target . Was the target the leader of shabaab or was the leader or was the target this individual who was behind supposedly the Embassy Bombings in 98, attacks in 2002 in kenya, who was the target . Evan kohlmann, great to have you here. Thank you very much. Reports that new York City Police officers witnessed that unbelievable case of road rage in manhattan, why they were there and how the department is responding to their failure to intervene. 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