believe there was another special assistant to the president, wells griffith was in there and myself. from the ukrainian -- >> who for the ukrainians? >> oh, sorry. >> from the ukrainian side, we had alexander danuluk, andr andre yurmak and alexander's adviser alexis semeni. >> okay. and you testified that you couldn't recall exactly why ambassador bolton stopped the meeting short and you only learned it subsequently talking to dr. fiona hill? >> yeah, i noted that it ended abruptly, but i didn't frankly, you know -- i didn't exactly know why. >> and in the bolton meeting, you don't remember ambassador sondland using the word biden? >> he did not. >> okay. >> to the best of my recollection, i don't think he did. >> and then the group decamped to take a photo, correct?