can now -- that is now common nowadays? >> and anne has obviously spent the last five years writing about ill liberalism on the right, in poland and hungary, across the world, a look at illiberalism by some on the left. gene robinson, let's talk about the balancing act. i'm sure that you've seen examples of this wokeness, this cancel culture that doesn't seem fair, that anne is writing about, that we hear about so much. at the same time it's a balancing act, isn't it? we have had not decades but centuries of racism, of sexism, even the past -- my gosh, even the past ten years when you look at advances women have made on