and towards this ukraine plot confession. mr. sondland, famously, we'll hear from him tomorrow, and today, mr. volker. we were discussing this before he began with a member of the intelligence committee who was in a tight-lipped way citing news accounts. now you have the news, which is that volker and sondland are moving closer to whatever you want to call it, a ukraine plot, a conditioning government action on getting reelection help, which is a no-no, or what we have reported as a potential impeachable offense, a bribery plot. they were joined briefly at the lectern by mick mulvaney in public, who is still fighting testifying. what we were discussing with the member of congress has now become, as they say, on the fwres congressional record, on record, actually there was a link. he's not denying that, he's just saying he didn't know it.