everybody has been uttering, which is what are they doing, not what are they saying, so what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, we just heard a loud explosion in kharkiv just a few moments ago, so the offensive by russia, by the ukrainian side still continues. the war is not pausing while these talks are under way. the only possible development today is this announcement from one of the top russian negotiators, the deputy defense minister, who said that there would be a de-escalation, particularly around kyiv and chernihiv, and that this u.s. official said that they are seeing some indications of ukrainian troops pull back. that's all we really have in concrete terms. rest is we're hearing more about the framework, how the ukrainians eventually see a peace deal. as keir was saying, they see one form lating with not ukraine joining nato but declaring some neutrality but neutrality that