mccalm mccaskill, jason johnson and mike murphy is with us. republican strategist, codirector for the center of the political future at the university of southern california. and at the big board tonight of course our national political correspondent steve kornacki. good evening and welcome to you all once again. senator, i loathe the word binary, but these days you can't be on cable news without using it once an hour. do you buy the binary choice that you can have a revolution, democrats, or you can elect someone who will defeat donald trump but you can't have both? >> oh, i think you can have both. i definitely think you can have both. all of these candidates have progressive bold ideas. some go much further than others. you know, bernie is for universality, wants all college to be for everybody, and elizabeth warren wants everybody's college debts wiped out. but all of these candidates are