recess in september but certainly tomorrow will be a heavy day for the white house. >> and, neal katyal last word goes to. you i can tell you you're worried about -- his title at the time was acting chief of the civil division. kind of a safe earning money even his coworkers at doj. tell our viewers just how unusual it would be to have a guy like jeffrey clark have access to and meetings with the president of the united states. >> literally never happened, certainly not without the attorney general or deputy attorney general being there. one of the first things i did with the justice department back when i'm john pop, was draft part of the white house context policy which says you can only reach the president if you are the returnee general and deputy attorney general and no one else. certainly not someone angling like this guy was.