Remove all doubt. I did not obama care with a fox in a box or in a house with a mouse. Is this the new normal . By simply reopening the government. Democrats are in a real position of strength here. They just have to realize it. The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives, we cannot win. By this point, i hoped someone had heckled me so i could sip some water. Chain of fools good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching. The Republican Party, by the numbers. They are in deep trouble. The results of the latest nbc news wall street journal poll Shows Americans overwhelmingly blame republicans for the government shutdown. You may be wondering tonight, okay, whats in a number. There isnt a politician on the face of the earth that doesnt love to look at a trend or feel good about a number or take something positive out of a poll and build on it. Theres a lot to build on here for the republicans, because this is total rejection of their agenda. The American People basically are saying, they reject john boehner. They reject his agenda. His methods, his messaging, his strategy. They reject the fact that the Republican Party is obstructing operational government. The poll also reveals that americans reject the fringe ideology of the americanday Republican Party. This tells it all. Boehner is famous for saying he knows where the American People are, and what they want. The American People want us to build the keystone pipeline. The American People want us to cut spending. This law is driving up the cost of health care and making it harder for Small Business to hire people. This is not what the American People want. The American People want this bill. They want it repealed. The American People want us to get our fiscal house in order. The American People want for us to Work Together to remove government barriers getting in the way of job creation. The American People want us to stop all the looming tax hikes and cut spending. Our job is to listen to the American People and follow the will of the American People. Listen to the American People. Now, when you see that collection of sound bites, you wonder, how can a guy like that be such an expert on all of these different subjects about where the American People are, but when it comes to the government functioning and actually running normal, well, he misses that one. The new poll shows that 53 of americans blame republicans for this shoutdown. 31 blame president obama. Those are tea party numbers, youve got to expect that. But it is a big whopping 22point margin. How can they deny it . Only 27 think republicans are showing strong leadership on the shutdown. Thats a staggering. Here is a staggering number. 70 think republicans are putting politics first. The American People know exactly whats going on here and boehner knows too. Its very clear. Whatever strategy boehner has followed, it has totally failed. Its time for him to get off the dime. Just 24 of the people in this country have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party. And 21 have a favorable opinion of the tea party. These are below bush numbers. Remember those years . These numbers underscore the fact that tea partiers are a select fringe group, and the American People dont want any part of this. Now, American Voters prefer a democraticcontrolled congress, by the numbers. Eight percentage points. 47 to 39 . Only 17 of americans have a positive view of john boehner. Id say that its probably a pretty good day for boehner to go have a real good cry. That gavel looks like its coming out of his hands pretty soon. Meanwhile, this poll is great for democrats, but its also great for the country. Because americans are speaking to a dysfunctional congress. Democrats in congress their Approval Rating dropped by only three points during the shutdown, and theyre sitting now at 39 . And president obamas Approval Rating actually increased two points. Hes sitting at 47 . And considering the overall number of congress, the president is in a very strong position. But here is the kicker. I have been saying on this program for months, as soon as obama care is implemented, people are going to get on board, theyre going to start checking this thing out. Theyre going to start getting more information. Theyre going to start signing up for the exchanges. It turns out i was absolutely right. But you had to see it coming if youre a liberal. You had to see it coming. If you really listen to the people, health care is the issue. Ive been all over this country to at least a dozen health care clinics, Free Health Care clinics, and i have heard stories of americans. The pulse of the people is change. 38 of americans think obama care is a good idea. That is up 7 from last month alone. Let me tell you something. There isnt a politician in washington that wouldnt take that kind of a turnaround. That kind of an increase. Those kind of numbers. 50 oppose defunding the law. Now, as americans continue to sign up for obama care, those numbers you know what theyre going to do . Theyre only going to get better. Meanwhile, canadian senator ted kennedy ted cruz of texas isnt paying you know, i have to stop here. Thats a freudian slip. I have thought so much about ted kennedy in the last few days. Because this is all about a big negotiation and homey and i and the team have been talking about what would ted kennedy say . Ted kennedy would be the liberal lion right now. So i was ive been thinking about kennedy a lot. Not ted cruz. But anyway. The american look, the American People are paying attention to obama care, and the American People know that this is good. This guy, ted cruz, he appeared at the values voter summit today. And continued slamming obama care. Weve seen an explosion of federal government power, none more important or significant or dangerous than obama care. The country is engaged in a National Debate about the enormous harms obama care is causing, all of the millions of americans who are losing their jobs, being pushed into parttime work, losing their health insurance. I wish ted kennedy was still here on stage to straighten that guy out. We should point out that only 14 of americans have a positive opinion of senator cruz. Although cruz sees the world differently. He is attacking the nbc news wall street journal poll. Take a look at this. If you seek out liberal obama supporters and ask them their views, theyre going to tell you their liberal obama supporters. Thats not reflective of where the country is. You know, these poll numbers should erase all doubts about where republicans think the American People are. This is a total rejection of everything republicans stand for. It is also a rejection of john boehner and his methods. People want their government open. They want people back to work thats what this is about. This should force boehners hand to reopen the government without any strings attached. This should really strengthen the position of the democrats. Now, last night on this program, i said the democrats were in a very strong position. One hour later, this poll came out. This poll was released at 6 30 eastern time. It is a total rejection of the republicans. It puts the democrats and especially the president in a strength of position. What is there to negotiate . What is there to negotiate . You know, theres a thing in business called confiscatory rates. Sometimes you control the market so good, you strangle the competition, you can charge whatever you want. Right now, the president is in a position to demand anything he wants from the republicans. Because the republicans are in the severe minority. Mr. President , dont give any ground to them. What boehner needs to do is to go back and show some character, like he really does listen to the American People. And go back to the house floor and bring the continuing resolution up for a clean vote, no strings attached, open up the government, and then lets get back to work when it comes to addressing whatever they want to do in the conversation that they claim that the democrats havent been having. This is a big moment for the democrats and the Progressive Movement in this country. If the democrats back off any of this and show any signs of weakness and give ground to a party that doesnt deserve it, give ground to a collection of clowns that have done nothing but play with peoples lives, they deserve to go down. And the president needs to stand strong. Get your cell phones out, tonights question. Do republicans have any idea what the American People really want . Text a for yes, text b for no to 67622, go to our blog at ed. Msnbc. Com. Well bring the results later in the show. If ted kennedy was still here i think he would be saying exactly what im saying. I think he would be saying hold the line. This is the way we have to run this country. We won the election. For more, lets bring in congressman James Clyburn of south carolina. Congressman, great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me, ed. What could you make of these most recent 24 hours . You have boehner come out and thrown out of a lame proposal, actually, about keeping the debt ceiling open for another six weeks to allow some negotiations, but doing nothing about what the American People are concerned about, and that is opening back up the government. I mean, its clear that the americans blame republicans for oh this shutdown. Where are we at this hour, in your opinion . Well, i dont exactly know. I do know this. They are talking, and thats good. But i do believe, as you do, that we ought to give relief to oh the American People over this weekend. Were going to be here in the morning. And i would hope that we will go to the floor at 9 00 in the morning and that we would put the continuing resolution on the floor, lets reopen government, and lets pass that resolution so that people can have a relaxing weekend, a holiday on monday, and be ready to go to work on tuesday. We ought not keep people in limbo during this long weekend and the desire in these households is absolutely unfortunate. We ought to pass this continuing resolution. And i dont care if its six weeks. I dont care if it is at the current 986 level that the republicans want. And well take that six weeks to work out a budget. So my advice to mr. Boehner, bring the cr to the floor. Make it a sixweek cr. Let it stay at your own 986 level. And attach that cr a debate or a conference on the budget. Congressman, you know, 47 of americans say they want a democratically controlled congress. I know thats not really what this is all about right now. I mean, that is a number, but that you know, thats going to play out a year from now. This is i think that the democrats are in the now business right now. I mean, youre in the now something has to be done now. And if the democrats give any ground to these zealots, and thats exactly what they are, anybody that wants to keep the government shut down. Anybody that wants to not pay the bills of the American People is clearly a zelot. If if the democrats give ground, what does that do . Your thoughts on that. I mean, arent you all in a real severe position of strength right now . Oh, sure. Its no question about that. But i dont think its a question of giving ground. Its a year and three weeks from the next election. Now, if we were only three weeks from the next election, i would have one suggestion. But i do believe that since weve got a year and three weeks, the American People cannot wait on the next election for us to do something about this. Now, i just said, i think the democrats gave all the ground that we should give when we accepted the 986 number. Thats all we ought to be giving. What we ought to be doing now is passing the continuing resolution and go to a conference on the budget. The senate has a budget. And i think their budget number is 1058. The house passed a budget at 986. Lets go to conference on that budget. Lets let our conferees and the Senate Conferees negotiate something from between 986 and 1058. Lets get with get rid of this sequester. I think that both of us ought to want to do that. And lets get the American People back to work, get this anxiety out of the households. And then we have until next thursday to deal with the debt ceiling. Well, theyre losing on all fronts. President obama is going up in it favorability. Obama care is getting more popular with the American People. The republicans have never had numbers like this. Do you think this latest survey is going to move them at all, or do you think theyre stuck in their ideology and theyre all about taking down the president . Well, theres a certain portion of them that will never move. About 42 to 50 people on the other side wont move. But i can tell you, ive talked to enough republicans today. Ive interacted with them. I can tell you, a majority of the republicans in the republican conference want to move off the dime on this issue. But the speaker has to bring the issue to the floor. Weve got enough votes on our side to join with 40 or 50 of his people if he cant get anymore than that. I think hell get much more than that, to get this thing moved. So i dont believe this is an issue that the speaker ought to be sweating over. What the speaker ought to be doing, i think, is making sure that the American People are responded to over 70 of the American People do not want us to be putting politics in front of the country. And 22 thats what the republicans are doing. So get rid of the politics, forget about the tea party republicans. Lets bring this issue to the floor. Lets bring some real happiness to families all across this country. Congressman James Clyburn, great to have you with us on the the ed show tonight. I appreciate your time. One thing john boehner could do is demonstrate some character. Thats what its going to take. What boehner ought to do is step up to the American People and say we have miscalculated. We have miscalculated where the American People are. Its very clear they want their government open. Our strategy didnt work. We thought it was the right thing to do. Thats all hes got to do. But you see, that would take character. And he would actually have to care about the middle class to do that. And i just dont think hes got it in him. Remember to answer tonights question there at the bottom of the screen. Share your thoughts on twitter at ed show and on facebook. 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Exposing the ugly side of entitlements. Fox and friends crew discuss welfare whoa. Is welfare creating more victims . Government should create jobs. Create jobs. Yeah, create more jobs. 35 states, though, the minimum wage there is less than what you can make being on welfare. It used to be a stigma to take a handout. Once upon a time, there was some shame to it. Now you start to feel like youre a sucker if you dont. The number two trender. Mean t. Youre a mean one mr. Grinch republicans in congress chose to shut down the federal government. This shutdown did not have to happen. Man, thats just mean. Thats mean, man tea partiers think obama is being a bully. He is, unfortunately, the most dangerous president that this country has ever seen. You lie he is an enemy of humanity. You are a mean girl and todays top trender. Getting trucked. 3,000 truckers plan to slow down the d. C. Beltway, the right wing is now trying to encourage these truckers. The very people that theyve done nothing for a big rig protest gets a big push from the right. A story here that i would really like to get behind. The big rig protest by hundreds, perhaps thousands of truckers. This is going to go coast to coast. What we hope to accomplish, megan, is to get the attention of our unrepresenting representatives in washington, d. C. We want the president of the United States removed. From office. But this is an egypt moment for the entire country to say we have had enough. I love that shirt. 104. I dont think these people have a clue what they want. Joining me is Keith Ellison of minnesota. Congressman, good to have you with us tonight. I find it so ironic that these truckers are coming into the beltway and in washington, d. C. Now are these the ones that want to see the bridges fixed across america and some Infrastructure Spending . Are these the truckers that like going over very nice roads with federal dollars . I mean, the very people that the republicans have done nothing for are going to washington to disrupt. I want your take on all of this. My take on it is that, you know, theres a lot of folks out there who dont know who their friends are, they dont know who is hurting them, they dont know who is helping them. They just get angry on some superficial stuff or something they heard on the radio and they go to sometimes extreme measures. But what they tried to do didnt work, so thats a good thing. But, you know, its part of the struggle, ed. Part of the struggle is, helping people to understand that you need to be on your own side. You need to help yourself out. Now, they dont like these folks like, as you said, federal highway spending. They like roads that are smooth and dont wreck the axles of their trucks. They like being able to take care of their business based on american infrastructure and not having to worry about a bridge caving in. And yet it is the republicans who dont want to invest in anything in the area of infrastructure. Its our struggle to try to get american working people all on their own side. Not on the democrats side. On their own side. Yeah. The head of the protest says that she wants to remove the president from office. Is he really the person that theyre targeting here . I mean, is this really just an anti obama truck rally . Well, you know, there might be some things about obama that obama cant change they dont like. But at the end of the day, i think theres a lot of anger, frustration among working people. And some of them, not all, dont know what to do with the federati frustration, and they point it in the wrong direction. At the end of the day, weve got to do a lot more education, weve got to do a lot more engagement. And, you know, im thinking about reaching out to people who represent, you know, over the road truckers to say hey look, guys, you know the deal. Lets talk about what we can really do to help your people out. Lets start out with making sure we open up the government and that the highway folks and the folks who run the department of transportation are on the job to make sure theres health, safety and other sort of things being looked after. I can tell you this. You know, weve got a lot more organizing to do. Well, theres threeandahalf million truckers in this country. And i think they wanted to get 3,000 there. Okay . I find it very interesting that this was a flop. I guess this is something glenn beck said he was behind, but it just didnt seem to work out very well. Its interesting, because all these guys listen to when theyre driving is right wing radio across america. You would think this would have been a big success. The truckers, they want to cause the biggest traffic jam. But they also are calling on americans not to buy anything over the weekend, to stand in solidarity with them. If i mean, if you look at the recent poll numbers, this is going to be a flop. Theyre going to embarrass themselves. Well, you know, thats fine. Let them do that. I mean, the fact is that the republican message is being rejected by the American People. I mean, democrats arent doing this to them. Theyre doing this to themselves. And if these particular this tiny slice of right wing truckers who listen to Rush Limbaugh all day, if they want to go out there and embarrass themselves, they can do that. But what i would rather do is enter into a conversation with them about hey, look, man, lets figure out a way to make sure your life is better. Lets make sure how you can get some health care, how you can get decent pay, how you can have safe working conditions and safe roads to drive on instead of how you hate obama so much. Its crazy. Heres the deal. Look, most americans have to deal with putting food on the table every day. Trying to figure out how to hate obama doesnt do them any good. They need to come to the table. I would be happy to talk to them. Congressman Keith Ellison, good to have you on, brother. Thank you. I appreciate your time tonight. You know it. All right. Still to come. Kenny goes acourtin. Cuccinelli tries to woo women voters with the help of elisabeth hasselbeck. This will be interesting. Plus, a new installment of the golden rulebreakers, featuring michelle, marco and ted. Two things i have unabiding faith in. One is a benevolent god, who loves each and every one of us. One thing i cant stand, its people groveling. Thank you and god bless you. But next, im taking your questions. Ask ed live is just ahead. Stay with us. Were right back on the ed show on msnbc. Its a growing trend in business do more with less with less energy. Hp is helping ups do just that. Soon, the worlds most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. 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They will say anything and do anything, despite the consequences to get power. Such in case, the shutdown. They dont care. Theyll disrupt. And its all to get a political position. These people started out in the Republican Party, and now they have infected, i believe, our political system. They dont compromise. They dont believe in compromise. They see it their way or the highway. And they lie an awful lot. Our next question is from julie. Why is it that republicans seem to lack the empathy towards their fellow man . I dont know. Its one of the strange things in america. Their selfishness has absolutely no boundaries. Some of them want less government. A lot of them want no government. And a lot of them want no responsibility. And i think the Republican Party in the last ten years has changed a great deal. They have become very callous, very selfcentered. And very determined to make sure they get their way. Its not the bob dole grand ole party. Those guys are all gone. Stick around. 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Each of you is called to be here. Much like esther, you were called for a time such as this. I too am a values voter. I to believe what makes us different, which sets us apart is our beliefs. The way i see is it, our problem is to preserve our values. We need to apply our principles to the challenges of today. That means we can never give up on repealing and replacing obama care. Today i want to talk about a war that the mean stream media is ignoring. From boston to zanzibar, there is a worldwide war on christianity. Our society is breaking down. And our families are falling apart. And as a result, our country is paying a terrible, terrible price. This egregious system, that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. I thank god that we finally have the will to stand up, take on this oppressive president and stand for what is good and righteous and true. So moral values, politics and faith and religion all mixed into one. You know, were all sinners. We all make mistakes. Sin is sin. But as a christian, i think it is my obligation as a broad caster to expose their hypocrisy and call them out on being flatout wrong. Jesus spent his life helping the poor, sick and needy. He spent his life embracing the lowest rungs of society and teaching compassion and forgiveness. The religious right spent the summer bearing false witness against obama care. They have forsaken the golden rule and turned their backs on the needy, the poor and the sick. They have gone after food stamps. They do not have a Health Care Plan on the table when it comes to preexisting conditions or helping the less fortunate out in america. They do not have a plan on the table that will not give the power to the Insurance Companies over christians. You can view the Insurance Industry as a Big Government that says no to people who need help. So voter values summit or whatever they call it. Joining me now for our rapid Response Panel, John Fugelsang and ken cue cloud ski from the Family Research council. Great to have both of you with us. Ken, i want to ask you first. What is the mission of this summit . Is it to find candidates, is it to redefine, you know, what your values or what your beliefs are . What is the mission of this summit . Well, ed, thanks for having me. What the value voters summit is about, or vvs, is about providing a forum, where the American People can have a discussion about the issues important to us, about faith and family, about values and about how that impacts every area of policy, not just social policy. But also National Security policy and economic policy. And to bring our nations leaders forward to have a discussion. To present on that, to debate it and hear the voice of the people. Okay. John, your response to that in the realm that they all of the people that you just saw on that montage of tape and speakers, they all want to get rid of the Affordable Care act. Which helps the poor, which helps the down trodden, which takes away conditions of sick people in this country that they cant get dropped. That to me seems to be a contradiction of what theyre saying and what theyre believing. Ed, its a lot more important to boast about how much you worship jesus as a god than follow his inconveniently liberal teachings. I have no problem with america being a christian nation. But if we were a christian nation, we would be voting to help the poor and the sick and let private charities bail out wall street. This isnt a summit. This is an audition for president for 2016. Its tea party idol and youre going to iowa, dawg. These guys are so in the bubble, they could be glinda the good witch. Ken, is that true . Oh, absolutely not. I think what were looking at is a discussion about, for example, if you want to help the poor. The question is, how do you create a free market economy so that people can have jobs, provide for their families, have their own home and be selfsufficient. Instead of depending on government. For example that is how you help the poor, right . Absolutely. Because as you cut capital gains, youre able to invest. Ken, do you hear what youre saying . All of these guys at your summit are arguing that jesus wants us to help the poor by cutting any programs that could possibly help the poor. This is absolutely not. See, youre coming from the premise that you think a government solution is the best solution. Were saying if you get more money out in the private sector, you can generate jobs, which will better take care of people than government ever can. Hey, ken, i hate to tell you, but look around. 30 oh years of what youve been talking hasnt worked yet. Well, 40 years of the Great Society and the Poverty Level is the same as it was 40 years ago. Absolutely. Bring some jobs back here. Well, that becomes the issue. Go ahead, ed, im sorry. Ken, let me ask. No, i enjoy the discussion. Its fine. You guys going at it. Heres the bottom line. We have a system in this country before the Affordable Care act that gave all the power to corporations to decide what was going to happen to consumers. And the republicans, the people that spoke at this values conference, have nothing to address that. And now that the law is passed, they want to take it away and give the power back to the Insurance Industry. I mean, is that a value that you that conservatives embrace . Oh, ed, i think everyone who has spoken today, and i would be added to that, were big supporters of Health Care Finance reform. We just dont think obama care takes us in the right direction with the right kind of reforms to provide better Quality Health care to more americans. I agree with that. We should have singlepayer like all of our cap lift allies enjoy. And you have every right literally, that is socialism. Its a governmentrun system that provides to every member of society. Ken, name one of our capitalist allies that has tried to give up singlepayer to adopt a system like we have now . As a christian, ken, dont you think its creepy that Insurance Companies can get rich off disease . Your question is contradict itself. Every singlepayer system is by definition a socialist system. It is a governmentrun publicly financed national entitlement. I am saying thats not capitalist, thats socialist. Whats wrong with having a socialistic Health Care System . Whats wrong with well, thats a thats a great it helps more people. Thats a great debate to have. But we have to start by saying thats not a capitalist system. I didnt say it was who says i believe private market reform, such as insurance pools for Small Businesses, being be able to purchase across state lines, tort reform for medical malpractice, reforming to allow doctors to exercise their own judgment. Before we go. In the emergency room. Youre on your own, poor people. Those are the things. Before we go, i want to ask this question. Let me ask this. If jesus were on earth today, would he be a fan of republicans taking america hostage in the order to get their way through the governmental process, as so many people are hurt . Ken . I dont think jesus belongs to a political party. I think we see the teachings of jesus in the bible, which i accept as the word of god. And i reject the premise that people standing on the principles for which they are elected somehow means theyre Holding Someone hostage. I think that kind of over the top rhetoric which the president is using is not helping us reach a settlement. John, your response. Jesus wasnt a homophobe. Being gay is natural, hating gay is a lifestyle choice. And if jesus showed up ken i know iyer a nice guy, but if jesus showed up, you know exactly what would happen, he would be a brownskinned homeless guy who spoke no english and those guys would ship him off to juarez. I fundamentally disagree with that. Its only if you believe whats in the book. Thank you, gentlemen. Still to come, the new developments in the shutdown as the debt ceiling deadlines loom. Keep it here. Were right back on the ed show. Every Year American students earn degrees in math and science. But only three in ten of them are women. To have enough graduates to fill 21st century jobs. Well have to solve this gender divide. Lets inspire more young women to pursue math and science. Lets light the way for a new generation. Join exxonmobil in advancing math and science education. Lets solve this. We have some breaking news tonight. Nbc news is reporting that the 2yearold son of Minnesota Vikings running back adrian peterson, has died. The 2yearold boy died from injuries sustained during susta aggravated assault on wednesday. Police arrested Joseph Robert patterson, the boyfriend of the mothers child, who was initially charged with aggravated assault and aggravated assault on an infant. Sioux falls, dakota, police say additional charges are being considered. Adrian peterson, one of the most celebrated athletes in our country for the Minnesota Vikings was the nfls most valuable player last year. His 2yearold son is dead tonight. And Joseph Robert patterson, 27 years old, has been arrested. The Lincoln County States Attorneys Office will be reviewing reports for consideration of additional charges. Joseph Robert Patterson has made his First Court Appearance and is being held on 750,000 cash bond. Well have more on the ed show when we come back. People dont have to think about where their electricity comes from. 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We helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today. And tomorrow. So lets see what we can do about that. Remodel. Motorcycle. [ female announcer ] some questions take more than a bank. They take a banker. Make a my financial priorities appointment today. Because when people talk, great things happen. Welcome back to the ed show. Progressives, lets get back to work. Got to pay attention, stay vocal. Lets look at the top three stories ahead next week in fast forward. Coming in at number three, middle ground b. Fundamental to our democracy is our middle class. Middle class, the backbone of our democracy. Were going to rebuild the middle class in america. On tuesday, a new nbc news poll will give a louder voice to middle class values. We cant just balance our budget on the backs of middle class families. Get out of here what are you waiting for . Let me out of here, will you . Come on. I got to make a living. Fast forward to number two. Special election. They call it that jersey bout the one that really counts my opponent is going to get everything wrong in washington worse. On wednesday voters in new jersey will choose the next United States senator. What new jersey needs is a leader not a tweeter. Thats a lovely accent you have. New jersey . And our number one story to watch, debt denial. Like the ceiling cant hold us never before in our history has the federal government failed to honor its financial obligations. To fail to do so now would be an outrage. The Congress Must understand this and bear full responsibility. All we ask is the speaker to be reasonable. Open the government, raise the debt ceiling, and well talk about anything you want to talk about. The long and short of it is theres going to be a negotiation here. We cant raise the debt ceiling without doing something about whats driving us to borrow more money and to live beyond our means. Treasury secretary jack lew says the debt limit will be reached. We are not going to default on the public debt. But that doesnt mean that we have to pay every bill the day it comes in 100 . So you think jack lew is lying when he says he cant prioritize . Im not going to say anybody is lying. Im saying hes playing politics when he says that. And a number of democrats obviously want this brought to the floor. One of them is congressman gregory meeks. Joins us tonight on the ed show. Congressman, good to have you with us. You know, theres a lot of talk about the middle class, but what the republicans fail to point out is that the Affordable Care act is all about helping the middle class. So its been one domino after another thats been knocked down. So where are we right now . Is a shortterm spending bill to reopen the government going to be enough . You know what, ed . We got to get there. Im not even sure were there right now. What im hearing is they may be adding something on. The first thing weve got to get to is a clean bill are reference to the continuing resolution and a clean bill with reference to raising the debt ceiling. Without that, were nowhere. And theres nothing to negotiate there. What were simply asking for is to put the American People back to work. And this is not a democratic issue, a republican issue. Of those 800,000 are democrats, but many are republicans. They are middle class. Weve got to put them back to work. And thats what we are and the republicans got to come to that reality. Well, this most recent survey that nbc news and the wall street journal did, i think puts the democrats in a strong position. Do your colleagues recognize that . Does that help you draw a stronger line . I mean, its a clear voice. 70 of the American People think the republicans are putting themselves and their political agenda ahead of the people. I think that the line is very clear. That you see a few individuals who are putting their personal issues in front of the countrys issues. Thats why the numbers are so great. And i think that it is time, ed, for those socalled moderates in the Republican Party to stand up and let their voices be heard. So whats going to move speaker boehr . Whats going to move Speaker Boehner . The people will have to move Speaker Boehner, because the people need to come out into those areas of those socalled moderate republicans and say, look, your job is on the line. You better go talk to that speaker in the same manner the tea party is talking to the speaker. Why they are allowing that party to rule the whole party, i dont know. And surely the president is not going to get into it. And democrats are not going to give into it. They need to have a clean resolution on the floor, clean bill with the continuing resolution and a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling. And then we could move forward. And that has to happen, ed. And theyre running out of time. They are running out of time. Do you think well default . I mean, i believe we will. I believe the republicans are that stupid and that determined to hang it on president obama. What do you think . If you had asked me three months ago or four months ago, i would have said absolutely no. Right now i say its a 50 50 chance. Youre right about one thing, ed. Number one, they do not like anything president obama does. They want to do the opposite. Youve pointed it out previously, if you say
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