It feels like a massive step forward, like the iphone of firearms. A smart gun. There is just one problem. You cant buy it anywhere in america. Thats not because it is the illegal and not because its manufacturer isnt trying to sell it. Now the question is can you sell it . The demand is there. I receive emails constantly from people wondering where they can buy the and guns. Red means you are uh not an authorized user or you have not activated the watch. When you grip that, its telling you eight now you cannot fire the gun. Correct. The ip1 smart gun only functions if the owner is wearing a special watch. My code is entered. It says its good. Hit enter, pick up the gun and its green. Green means im the authorized user and ready to fire. If the watch and gun are separated by more than ten inches after, say, a suspect wrestles it from a Police Officer the gun stops working. Putting the ammunition in. I can fire take the wristwatch away. It is more than ten inches. The grip says i cannot fire. I pull the trigger, i get nothing. I return here within ten inches, pull the trigger [ gunshot ] twice gun sellers announced plans to sell the smart gun and twice have reversed after an intense backlash from gun rights activists. We spoke to andy raymond when he still planned to sell the smart gun. This is all about freedom. It is, man. Century when the nra, the bass chon of great freedom say it should be prohibited thats hypocritical. They are bowing down to free. They are afraid. So they bow down and thats cowardice. Thats not what people for fee dom do ft. You fight for what you believe. You dont bow down. He slept in his store out of fear it would be burned down. In an emotional video he asked for forgiveness. We wont sell the pistol. I will not be part of anyone [ bleep ] over anyone when it comes to guns. I believe my principles correct. Unfortunately maybe i was wrong. I dont know. After we reported on andy his Company Facebook page, once the site of vitriol was filled with support. He did the right thing. If im in the market for an a. R. , im coming to you. Raymonds critics pointed to a 2002 new jersey law that requires once a smart gun is sold miles an hour in the country, gun sellers in new jersey must within three years take other guns awe off the shelf and sell only smart guns. That law had the unintended consequence of rallying opposition to a single smart gun being sold in america. One of the chief backers, Loretta Weinberg said she would move to repeal the law on one condition. If the nra, the gun owners of america, the people who stood in the way not only of the retail sales, they have also gone after gun manufacturers who were beginning to develop other technology other than armitex. If in fact they would get out of the way of preventing the Research Development manufacturer distribution and sale i would move the to repeal this law in the state of new jersey. We reached out to the nra for response. Would the organization oppose the smart gun, soften the stance if new jersey was willing to peel the gun control law . We asked for someone to come on the show to respond or at least give us a statement. We have heard nothing back. Joining me now is larry pratt, executive are director of gun owners of perk, the other organization that Loretta Weinbergle called out last night. How about it, larry . Well, how about a product thats only 80 effective last time you and i talked you said this. Where is the number from . From the new Jersey Institute of technology. On the this gun . Thats a problem wait a second. Thats the point. If the product is for sale if you think its bad in the current iteration we have to oppose her mandate though the law youre talking out of both sides of your mouth. Here is the question. Will you back off and allow it to be sold and not swarm peoples facebook pages and tell people you oppose it and not sic gun owners of america on they will. Okay, well take away the government mandate. If you think this is a bad product why dont you trust the market to render the judgment . The market wont render a judgment thanks to her bullying by her legislation. Therefore shes saying shell repeal it. Wait. This product isnt ready for primetime. Tell me why you single handedly 20 of the time it wont work. Youre asking people to put their lives the hands of a product like that . Wait a second. Larry, why do you not trust consumers to render the judgment . Im not going to run every consumer decision for everyone in america by larry pratt. Why should you is the veto over what consumers choose in the marketplace . Are we going to say why do you not trust the market to render that decision . Is it okay to put on the market a car that 20 of the time explodes on you and causes you harm or death . Thats not the kind of our society wait. You would like to see the government regulate guns the way they regulate cars . No, the senator is imposing a mandate, violating the statute, sticking a faulty product in our hands we dont want. The way she set it up it only takes one dealer and the state of new jersey loses the ability to buy a decent gun for years. Shes offering to repeal it if you withdraw your on opposition to this being sold. You do what i say and then ill be nice to you. I dont think so. Thank you very much. I want to bring in the grandfather of 6yearold ben wheeler who died in the mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school. He wants a gun locker only to be opened by the fingerprint of a gun owner. Your family suffered a tragedy with the belief there was a way to find Smart Technology to prevent further tragedy. Absolutely. The fact is we liken it to a seat belt. Its very difficult to foe exactly how many automobile deaths seat belts have saved. Theres a onethird reduction in automobile deaths since seat belts have been implemented. We see a similar type of opportunity with the locking station. There are dozens of gun Safety Devices in the marketplace today. We fit into niche which wasnt addressed in the past. We are using technology to enhance gun safety that gun owners have supported for many years. Whats your reaction when you see the product you have been working on is a lock for existing guns. Obviously the product we talked about is a gun itself that has the built in safety. Whats your response wen you see gun owners of america, gun activists on facebook unleash such vitriol on people trying to develop technology to make guns safer. I cant honestly say i fully understand exactly what the issues are. By the way, i know why there is a second amendment. I fully support that second amendment. There have been many instances in the history of this planet where despots have taken control of countries and the first thing they do is remove guns from the hands of innocent people. So thats not the are issue we are trying to address. We are talking to gun owners, nongun owners alike. Both of whom seem to support the fact that there is such a thing as gun safety. Ironically, its less than a mile from sandy hook, supports child safe. Its a program they have. Their mantra is, own it, secure it, respect it. You have a weapon, its unconscionable to have an unsecured, loaded weapon hanging around the house. Carmen, thank you for your time tonight. My pleasure. Joining me is robert spitzer, author of the politics of gun control. Its fascinating to me the outsized role the short gun has begun to take on. It was mentioned at the nra convention. It looms large. I dont quite get it. Explain to me why. There are two things at play. The first is control. The nra is all about control of the issue. I think thats more important than any other consideration. The second and related part is the fact that industry generally, and there are exceptions to be sure, but industries generally are leery of change and technological innovation. There are many examples of that. There was a brief mention of the auto industry. We know it was dragged kicking and screaming to auto safety and improvements in automobiles. American automobiles back in the 1950s, 60s and 70s saying safety wouldnt sell. It was too expensive. The technology was unproven, et cetera. Because of government regulation and public pressure, the big Auto Companies were brought into line and we accept today all sorts of safety features. There is no counter veiling pressure you can identify that would have a similar beneficial effect on the Gun Community in the nra because of the ability to control people within its realm to control the messaging to them which is a key element of how they get things done. That degree of political control is the overarching concern about the issue. It seems you have a situation with a small core of folks who are essentially enacting policy through threat and intimidation. You have a small group of people doing ghastly, thuggish things like offering Death Threats to people who dare to cross them. Thats a nontrivial part of how gun politics play out. Thats a significant chunk even if not a number in the kind of core constituency of folks standing in the way of common sense changes. Thats the dark underside of this constituency. People respond anonymously and can do so instantaneously from anywhere around the country or the world. That anonymity feeds you see it in all forms of communication within the internet, but it feeds dark responses, the veiled threats and frankly the express threats that your guest last night talked about that he received. Hes a gun guy through and through. Most gun owners really dont operate that way, dont respond that way. But there is enough of a really dark base that has been fed a steady diet of paranoia and apocalyptic rhetoric that all the nra has to do is hit a switch and they are unleashed. Thanks for your time. Good to be with you. Coming up, what do the Koch Brothers have against jack hannah and his animals . You do your shop from anywhere thing, and well be here at lifelock doing our thing offering protection that simple credit score monitoring cant. Get lifelock protection and live life free. agent ill walk you guys through every step. There are a lot of buyers for a house like yours. husband thats good to know. That would be my daughter hi dad. Shes a dietitian. 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Because the kochbacked organization americans for prosperity are lobbying against a small tax increase to help fund the zoo jack hannah is the face of. The billionaire Koch Brothers may be best known for spending big to influence president ial campaigns. They are now tying to throw a Monkey Wrench into the columbus zoo levy. Tonight they will vote to support the maintenance and expansion of the columbus zoo and aquarium. A percentage of Franklin County property taxes go to fund the zoo and issue 6 would influence that portion of the property tax. Hannah has been lobbying for es dents to vote yes on 6. Please help us with issue 6. This is a cheetah, by voting for issue 6 we can help save the species and educate our children. But americans for prosperity has jumped into the race like an 800 pound gorilla, urging the voters to vote no. In misleading mailers sent out to Franklin County voters featuring a gorilla they called it another money grab and asked voters can you afford 105 property tax hike . The local antilevy group agrees the flyer is deceptive. What is your taxeses will be raised 105 but the zoo portion. Bring with the Koch Brothers. Issue 6 would not increase property taxes 105 . If that were the case americans for prosperity wouldnt need to get involved. In fact, say you own a 100,000 home. Issue 6 would increase your property taxes somewhere between 1 and 2 . Thats 23. I didnt build the zoo. Put the 21 aside. Whats at stake here . The frustration isnt stopping the americans for prosperity from getting involved in a local tax levy at a community zoo. While the Koch Brothers dont like you nosing around their business, they have no problem getting involved in yours. Joining me now is michael coleman, democratic mayor of columbus, ohio. Are you surprised by americans for prosperity entering into the Franklin County tax levy issue . I am surprised. These are out of towners coming into a city like columbus trying to tell an intelligent electorate how they should be voting. The zoo levy may not pass but not because of the Koch Brothers. Democrats and republicans alike dont like to be told by two billionaires living some place else in america how we should be taxing ourselves in columbus. The republican leading Business Community feels the same in the city of columbus. I can tell you the republican leaning newspaper if in the city of columbus has editorialized against the Koch Brothers coming to columbus and telling us how to vote on something that only we care about. I can tell you the Koch Brothers dont care about the citizens of columbus or any of us that live in this community. The Columbus Dispatch editorializing this way. Voters should decide the zoo issues. Not carpet baggers who dont live here and dont care about our community. Tell me the honest truth. Youre just in the pocket of big zoo. I have to tell you something. This is incredible that the Koch Brothers are interested in a zoo levy. It tells me they will be involved in the school board races. Yep. The city council races, every issue before the voters in the city of columbus and they will tell us how we should be deciding how we govern ourselves, how we tax ourselves. Im here to say along with democrats and republicans, independents alike, Koch Brothers, stay out of columbus. We can make our own decisions. There is an asymmetry here. Im amazed at the way americans for prosperity is on oh rating is anywhere anyone is trying to raise taxes it is as a matter of principle wrong and well spend money to defeat it or anyone trying to regulate anything we looked at iron works in wisconsin today bent after. A School Board Election in iowa. There is no liberal version of that where there is a liberal think tank saying looking oh to see are where people are raising taxes and coming in to sport the zoo tax levy. In Franklin County the thinking is, well, if the people want to tax themselves more for the zoo, god bless them. Maybe this is the strategy. Let me roll the this out. Lets the talk about it. Columbus is the center of politics in the state of ohio. As columbus go, so goes ohio in president ial races. In 2012, the president , the opponent and the Vice President ial candidates were in columbus 77 times in 2012. More than any other city in the nation outside the city of new york. The Koch Brothers are are probably thinking, how do i manipulate the votes in the city of columbus, not just on tax levies but every kind of election we are faced with in the city of columbus. That may influence a president ial election. I dont know. I should note we asked americans for prosperity and the Koch Brothers to come on. 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