From where im standing now that gunshots ran out rang out through the night. We have now entered the point in the evening in whichnico policee typically started to kind of move on the crowd or at least as es now that is not the case. The bigt news at this hour rig now centers around alp man name bob mqcculloch. Hes the prosecuting attorney. Hes been in office for 23 years. Since ivexd been on the groundn ferguson, ive been hearing from africanamerican residents but they do not have faith in Bob Mcculloch. Its beenco members of the loca political leaders. On the air on this show several nights in a row, state senator nadal and a city councilperson for st. Louis county and the head of st. Louis county, thewn chief executivelp all of them expressing their lack ofr 4 jj. I pressed him whetherq aco statf emergency in missouri, he has special powers to elect a prosecutor. He was reluctant to answer and agreed that more or less he ko, in fact, appoint ae1 special prosecutor. That doesnt exist in normal statutory law in missouri but under the Emergency Powers that he now has because hesnr declad a it sta of emergency, i]codo that. Now, weve gotten smwoy4 interg news tonight. Weve gotten word from a spokesperson that Bob Mcculloch does not expect to step away from his duties but if the governor werer special prosecutor, he would step aside. Just earlier on our air, senator Claire Mccaskill saying that she could see a scenario in which a special prosecutor waszv appoid and Bob Mcculloch step aside. Its one of thet key moving pas in all of this. If you talklp to people here, there are basically two things they want to see. One of them is they want to see charges for Darren Wilson. Qt justify chargese1 brought against the officer thate1 shot and killedi] him blocks from whe im standing. The governor says that him steppingjf int 1 the case may tt the legal ptm qaay we have an interesting standoff and im not sure if people quite understand what is going on here. The county prosecutor Bob Mcculloch is saying if the governor makes the first move, hell step aside but doesnt expect it to happen. The governor saying that bobfa mcculloch has the ability to step aside but he wontt st into the situation. And a community and political leaders here who are asking for bob me1cculloch to be qremoved. All of this in an intense uut appear to be looking at liv lot of protesters. T joining me on the phone is an assistant professor to advocacy . apd hes been an invaluab guide. I had a state reptxpv to me, its not goingt to happen. Xd youre barking up the wrong tree. Explain to me the dynamics at play here, jeff. Well, it feels a little bit like a political hot potato, doesnt it, chris . Yeah. I dont really think that,e1 you know, jay, the governor, is going to step in andnrok do it proactively. Hes always received strong support from the community. He was attorney years. And the chain of command is very important to him and i dont expect him to do anything that would sort of interrupt that chain of command bynie1 interve here. At the same time, i think that the county prosecutor might and i think its sort of apparent in what we saw tonight, hecoo[ wo love to be out at this box and not have all of this heat on him because hes probably damned q he does and damned if he doesnt and then that determines ifco h ultimately wins or loses the case. I think neither one of them will probably act the governor probably wontoomwm remove hi dont see him rwmmving himself because hed take a lot of heat from the Law Enforcement who have supported him so1long. Again, his father wasw3 a policeman killed in the line of duty. His cousin, his brother, his nephew, its a family with a lot of policemen and i think the police are couueng onok him not to recuse himself. Yeah. And henijf is viewed as all prosecutors spend their lives working with the police, putting police on stand to make their cases. Now 90 xd of criminal cases are made by police witnesses. And so theres a tight bond aue he just got reelected 11 if hee1 recuses himself here, tn he risks spendino . . His next fo years having a tough time ever making a case becauser might there mightmmt retribution. In other words, cops may say, hey, he didnt stand by us and maybe were notlp going to stan with him so steadfastly as we have in the past. So theres definitely, i e1thin problems goingxuqjuu aq forq hi if he was to recuse himself. Let me explain to folks what is going on. There wase1 a t melee that brok out. One of the dynamicse1 at play he when dark descends, it has but its the old pottery barn rule. He owns the outcome, whatever it might be. Right. And im not sure that he wants that. All right. Former Missouri State s the phone, jeff smith, thanks for joining me. Thank you. Stay safe. Lee. Youve been steadfast on the ground here. A different approach tonight. We saw it breakdown abotv 20 minutesxd earlyni last night. Theni posture seems to be worki. Theres a big police ztaqce but not an aggressive one. I agree. But one thing, we noticed it last night, when everyone first locked on and first started to gather and you had differentjf communities actively stayingni t here all night long. Tonight itni seemed morew3 organized. Itco seemed that theco elders io community who finally kind of i] ingrii ingritiated themselves, last night it was almost a riot. So tonight it seems a bit difference. We have seen organic outrage, organic anger, and its not necessarily its not like ive said this before. When eric garner was strangled to death by a new york city police, put in a chokehold to his death,q testers were led by a number ofw3e1 organization. People came out and they marched. Thats not the case here. People come out and they are just walking down the street to get something at mcdonalds and while they are walking down the street they are saying, hands up, dont shoot. When people talk about the u protesters, its not just protesters. Kqts just people out here. Again, they can get and mobilize this community right now, its a turning point. They are emerging. Rosecutoremerging. And the political will and pressure, how will they come out . Will they demand change and come out in an active way to support that change . Thats what we aree1 seeing. They are still bold. They are still out here. They are still moving. And it seems to be more organized. The vast majority of protesters have been here night after night. Keep in mind, when the police talked about e1mayhem, which is smallt a very small i th1 we all agree, when the tear gas comes out, it doesnt just get those people. So the f j out here that are protesting peacefully, they are coming out herexd night after night after night. What does that telle1 you about theirjf grievance . They know how unpleasantlp tear gas is. Theye1 know theaa might get ru there was one bot,ln they didntni immediately fire. Then they shot tear gas. Right. But the other thing, i sort of wanti] viewers to feel what we feeling on theco ground here. The tensionco here is very real. Its not a fabrication of news. Its not because the cameras ar1 here. Us here with lights onjf observg the situation, theres nonrok question, unquestionably. But the questionco driving the tension here and the tension on both sides, ive heard comments from police. Right. I had a friend a source and friend tell me a Police Officer told him to get a job. The police are not happy about being out he im not going toe1 generalirm about that but theyvek sorts of different politics and views. But they are in intense posture, too. Itszv mutual and can get into context of when you report things. And usually when its calm, you feel it. The way thee1 platform that were delivering from,e1o[ thia realco life and death here. Were talking about people shooting at each other. Were talking about unarmed people being fired at by the cops. If any of that is true, this is a very tense situation whether we see it or not because were only dealing with a few individuals. It can turn in a minute and who knows where they are. I saw earlier guys5a creeping behind a5a building here and t a car. And even though its calm and cool, they are taking a precaution and everyone is still on edge. And last night it was just here that was where the gunshots went offjf during our live hour. The gunshots were somewhere between the rock and the tear gas. That right now thate1 corner is clear. But for right now, its calm and peaceful and people are out and they are peaceably assembling. Tomorrow strikes me as a big day h n this for a few reasons. I think Claire Mccaskills comments about the special prosecutor is bubbling up. People are having to respond to it now. Youve got eric holdere1 comingo town and the meeting of the grand jury and the possibility that it will be the first day in which evidencexd is presented a that grand jury. All of those things are happeningr as this case moves along step by step, the grant jury isw3xd g deal. You have to go through this avenue. Even everyone is yelling at captain johnson and the governor, thats not the waynmo works. Will there be charges . Lpq is it enough . And were moving alon j h lc e1÷k trymaine lee, thank you much. All right. We are live from ferguson, missouri. Peaceful team out here so far. People v s rg around and chanting. Hey, man. Exercising their First Amendment rights to peacefully assemble. For now, things are calm. There is tension in the air. Well be live for the hour, so stay with us. In the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. Add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. 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The police chief went into the heated crowd after he talked to the press to talk to people facetoface about what happened, what his account was, which really helped diffuse tensions. He doesnt represent that part of st. Louis but was also there and urged the crowd to remain calm. Also, that had a real effect in diffusing the situation. Now, though, at this hour tonight, i am told the situation around that crime scene is very tense and joining me now by phone from the scene of todays shooting is umar lee. What are you seeing . Ive seen about 150 people gathered outside. They are very spirited and angry. Some of them are people that have been out in ferguson and the hands up, dont shoot chant so its a very angry crowd. You have more of a crowd and people upset about the death and at nighttime we have a younger more male dominated crowd that is ramped up. You said there was an earlier scene. The Police Obviously came to the scene because theres so much national media. It was a little bit of a circus. People were there throughout the day from the time of the shooting assembled, Walking Around chanting at protesting. Right. More people came. But, you know, theres only about 15 to 20 Police Officers here to kind of not have an aggressive presence. They let everyone do their thing. As a matter of fact, the Health Department and other social Service Agencies are checking up on protesters to see if they needed any help. So its kind of a different response. So youre saying the mayor has dispatched some people there from the city offices to sort of talk to protesters . Well, its just to try to diffusion the situation and get a little diplomacy. Umar, thats really interesting that you said that because the words that stuck with me after i was there was alderman saying, look, were going to be calm and no silliness and were going to be patient because you have representation here. You have people that have your back unlike those folks in ferguson that are on their own. You had chris carter and other africanamerican aldermen and its different in ferguson. And they are taking a different approach to try to be more diplomatic of the situation and the crowd is getting rowdy and you have them holed up in the store with security. Its a very tense situation at the same time. Its interesting to look at the different approaches of Law Enforcement there. Umar lee on the phone for us from north st. Louis, right outside of a Convenience Store where there was a Police Shooting earlier today. Thanks, umar, stay safe. Thanks. All right. We are live from ferguson, missouri, tonight. Stay with us. Well have lots more. It was the biggest decision kings hawaiian had faced, since robert taira opened his first bakery in a small hawaiian town. Making bread so good, that people bought two loaves one to take home, and one to eat on the way. So good, they grew from here. To here. 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We are back live here in ferguson, missouri. Protesters are walking up and down this block. So far, everything has been calm and peaceful. Protesters have been told by police that they have to keep walking. They are chanting and saying hands up, dont shoot. One of the things that weve been trying to do is talk to the protesters because theres a lot of different protesters who are coming from all different kinds of places, all different kinds of socioeconomic background from around st. Louis metro. Joining me now from st. Louis missouri, a student alicia and jonathan, a student protester. All three of you are college students. What brought you out here in when did you first hear about this and when did you want to come out here . Well, i first started coming out here arnt tound the time it actually started. The posts went up on facebook and protests and rallies were going on and thats when i came out here. Primarily when i first came out here, it was peaceful and everything like that. It wasnt until i stopped coming out here that they then said there was rioting and socalled looting. At that point i was like, what is going on . Why are they more agitated than they were at the beginning, at the outset. And then i came back and started to realize that they were actually having an opposition against them, with the police and socalled National Guard as welcoming in and intervening. Alicia, people are saying, what do they want . Whats the demand . What do you want people to know . I want people to know that i believe the overall the shortterm thing would be that the officer be held accountable for his actions but the secondterm goal, no matter what their position is, gender, race, to be held accountable and to have the same rights and to not be privileged in any sort of a way because of a certain position and to remember why we are here and were together and a team and we shouldnt be enemies. What do you mean by that, when you say that everyone has the same rights and privileges. Do you mean police and the people they patrol . Do you people people of different races . What d