Then after a big win in wisconsin, sanders sets his sights on new york. Do not tell secretary clinton shes getting a little nervous. As clinton attacks the heart of the sanders campaign. The core of his campaign has been break up the banks and it didnt seem in reading his answers that he understood exactly how that would work. Well debate that with sanders backer robert reich and clinton supporter barney frank. Plus, why republicans care so much about voter i. D. Laws. Hillary clinton is about the weakest candidate the democrats have ever put up and i think photo i. D. Is going to make a little bit of a different as well. And Florida Governor rick scott meets his constituents. [ bleep ]. You dont care about working people. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Donald trump may have suffered a punishing loss in wisconsin last
night losing to ted cruz by 13 percentage points, 48 35 . Its a brand new day trump may have suffered a loss in wisconsin last night losing 38 35 . Far ahead of his two remaining rivals. In just the last hour trump was greeted by a raptuous crowd in long island as if wisconsin never happened. Trump was in his element thoroughly enjoying the Home Field Advantage hitting ted cruz for attacking socalled new york values. Do you remember during the debate when he started lecturing me on new york values like were no good, like were no good. And i started talking to him about the world trade center, the bravery, the incredible bravery of everybody, our police, our firemen, our everybody. We all lived through it. We all know people that died. And ive got this guy standing over there looking at me talking about new york values, with
scorn on his face, with hatred, with hatred of new york. So, folks i think you can forget about him. Joining me from inside the trump rally in beth page, new york, peter alexander. Peter, what was the scene like inside that massive, massive facility you guys were in . Reporter well, chris, you know Patrick Ewing and john starks, famous names around these parts. This felt at times like an nba finals at the Madison Square garden. This has been a raucous crowd like weve rarely seen it before. 10,000 people filling this massive warehouse. There was a lot of security in advance, anticipates what could be a potentially raucous night. It was. A couple protesters. Most of the interruptions were people chanting so loud for
trump that he had to walk away from the mike yelling yt build that wall, yelling trump, they were all on his side tonight clearly benefiting from the homefield advantage. Weve been talking to people here tonight. As donald trump said at the start, its good to be home. Theyre proud trump is back home. Peter alexander, thanks for that. You can see a lot of the red maga hats which is what Trump Supporters refer to them as. Joining me from the protest outside the trump rally, nbc news correspondent jacob rascon and jacob, what was the situation like outside the venue . Reporter so for about an hour now, chris, you have over here the protesters who have been out here for several hours protesting and yelling and chanting at the supporters going inside and then youre going to have over to my left youre going to watch the police, the 50 feet in between, and the police farther back in full riot gear because at one point there was almost a fight and then you have the big crowd of Trump Supporters. Now, these are people who could
not get in because the venue was at capacity. Theyll spontaneously now break out into chants, into yelling. At some points they were throwing things and as i said, there were almost fights and thats why you had the police in full riot gear come in to try to break it up and move the media to the other side of the street. Chris . All right. Nbcs jacob rascon, thanks for that. Donald trump trying to flip the script, of course, after resounding defeat in yesterdays wisconsin primary. A victory not just for ted cruz but the stoptrump Movement Including local talk radio, wellfunded superpac which until now had failed to make much of an impact. According to exit polls less happen half of primary voters in wisconsin felt excited or optimistic about what trump would do as president , while a plurality, 38 said they were scared of a trump presidency. In a rare move for the republican front runner, trump opted not to appear in front of tv cameras last week instead releasing a statement accusing cruz of illegally coordinating with his associated superpac and tieing him to what trump ally
roger stone is calling the big steal. Ted cruz is worse than a puppet, he is a trojan horse being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. Trump. Last nights results did contain a couple Silver Linings for trump, however. First given wisconsins highly distinctive political culture, it is not clear that what happened there can be repeated in upcoming primary states. Second, trump managed to win six of wisconsins 42 delegates holding cruz to 36 meaning cruz won with a margin of 30 delegates. Thats 12 fewer than if hed gotten a clean sweep. Margins are what counts right now in the race at 1,237. Heres where that race stands after wisconsin. Trump is still the only candidate in sight of the finish
line with 756 delegates trailed by cruz with 517. Marco rubio who suspended his campaign in third with just 172. John kasich whos still in the race with 143. Its still an uphill climb for trump. According to nbc news, he now needs to win 58 of the remaining delegates in order to clinch the nomination on the first ballot at that Republican Convention in cleveland in july. If trump falls short, the race would likely move to a contested convention. Something the campaign appears to be struggling to prepare for. According to politico, trumps embattled Campaign ManagerCorey Lewandowski is fighting to preserve his own power and to box out Paul Manefort hired last month. One source with knowledge of the situation told msnbcs ari melber that manafort views his role as having Broader Authority than lewandowski might think and was said to have told the cam campaign he needs absolute control of political strategy. Maneford was scheduled to meet with trump this morning and mikely threaten to quit if he didnt see more cooperation. Joining me, former deputy Campaign Manager of Carly Fiorina and supporter of ted cruz. Mckay coppens, senior Political Writer for buzzfeed and author of 2016 Campaign Book the wilderness. Sarah, let me start you. Ted cruz trotted out the new york values line in iowa, he was trying to close the deal in iowa. It was pretty clear based on polling calls that we heard, they poll tested that with the iowa folks. Apparently it poll tested well. They attacked him on new york values. Why should new yorkers vote for this guy now when he was basically uing them to score political points in iowa . Well, a couple things. One, i dont doubt that donald trump will do well in his home state. Look, even john kasich managed to win he is home state. Even john kasich. Thats mean. Thats mean. Continue. That being said, i think donald trump has hit a wall. I think even if he does well in new york, that cant translate very far past that. Again, its his home state. Ted cruz saw what ground game can do, what an actual political operation can do and were seeing disarray and chaos in the trump campaign. I think its the end there. Okay. Mckay coppens is shaking his head. Why are you shaking your head . Well, i think that, you know, theres a case to be made that new york isnt applicable to the rest of the states except if you look at the rest of the map, you have states like pennsylvania, you have states like rhode island, you have states connecticut, delaware. New jersey. You have states that are actually very demographically similar to new york. They have a republican primary electorate that is similar to new yorks. These are not states where ted cruz is particularly well suited. A lot of the Republican Voters in these states are more moderate on social issues which is one of the defiing social conservatism is one of the defining characteristics of the cruz campaign. Look, cruz should be congratulated for a big win in wisconsin but i just dont know if the antitrump forces are as organized and as well positioned in the remaining states in this primary. Sarah, is your sense, i was in wisconsin talking to a bunch of folks and it does seem hard to replicate the situation partly because of the
specificity of the scott walker battles that have created a very distinct political culture there, but also its just so clear to me there that the cruz vote was a nevertrump vote. They might as well have written nevertrump onto their ballots. To one is waving the flag for texas. The question is how long can you keep voting for a person as a means of blocking another person and expect to get victories . Well, look, a month ago people said that cruz couldnt win wisconsin and youre citing scott walker and thats right, scott walker endorsed him toward the end, actually, so i think you could see that repeated in pennsylvania, in delaware, where people rally around ted cruz. Scott walker wasnt giving speeches about never trump. Scott walker was giving his endorsement as a proted cruz endorsement. Sort of. He sort of was. This idea you cant replicate wisconsin, that was somehow a social conservative thing or antiunion thing or whatever it was, the fact of the matter is he won by 13 points. He wasnt supposed to win at all. So, sarah, this is my question. What are the next states that ted cruz wins . In your mind . Pennsylvania . Connecticut, new jersey . I think hell overperform in all the states. To tell you the truth, california is where im already looking which is the backstop if you want to prevent trump from getting to 1,237, ted cruz polled in a tie lead there, i think that will continue to move. With the support of someone like Carly Fiorina, i think hes got a great shot in california to do a lot more than people expect. Sarah, let me ask you this. It was interesting to watch cruz last night. He came out and gave, like, a fiveminute pararation on delegate math unlike anything ive ever seen in a campaign. Obviously he understands whats going on here. What is this campaign about from a policy perspective at this point . I kind of lost the thread. What are the big policy disputes between these men that are being contested . Wow. So ted cruz is a conservative and donald trump is a liberal. Ted cruz wants to simplify the tax code, repeal obamacare. Ted cruz is prolife. Donald trump has no clue what the prolife Community Stands for as he made very clear. Donald trump has no idea what conservative women are about. He wants he doesnt know what to do with obamacare. He wants to expand the tax code. I dont even know what hed do with that. He is so a part of the system, such a part of the establishment, they could not be further apart policy wise. Okay. Policy wise, right, what im getting from you, sarah, and a lot of nevertrump forces, they believe that he believes what hes saying he believes. At least punily tsh. Hes not saying what he says he believes. He sends out a statement an hour after he talks and sends out a statement about the statement. Im not dispuing that. Im saying if you essentially go to the website, what the on the record policy position is, if is repeal obamacare, its replace it with something awesome. You got to take care of people. Its it is prolife. Hes very prolife. He told us. Most prolife the most prolife. I dont know, i guess he wants if you go through the issues that sarah just pointed out, theyre abortion, simplify the tax code, obamacare, womens issues in general the way you know, there is, you know, certainly theres a dramatic difference in the way they talk about the issues. The policy issue policy wise, i dont know if theres that much yeah. I think it comes down to trump and trumpism. Sarah isgur flores, mckay coppins, thank you both. Still to come, how last years long lines and absurd waits, an ineffective, to say the least, democratic process and why some want to keep it that way. First the escalating fight between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Ill be joined by robert reich and barney frank to debate. 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Ask your doctor about cialis and a 200 savings cardHillary Clinton sure seems to be losing patience with the continued presence of Bernie Sanders in the democratic president ial race. Last month, having built up a sizable pledged delegate lead it appeared clinton had, quote, started pivoting heavily toward the general election. With his resounding victory last night in wisconsin, sanders has now won seven out of the last eight democratic contests giving him a legitimate claim, the momentum of the race. The Clinton Campaign has moved toward a more critical tone. Clinton this morning questioning whether sanders even understands the issues at the center of his campaign. You cant really help people if you dont know how to do what you are campaigning on saying you want to do. Hed been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadnt really studied or understood and that does raise a lot of questions. Clinton and her campaign zeroed in on sanders meeting with the New York Daily News editorial, in which sanders
critics have pounced on for its lack of policy specifics. The core of his campaign has been break up the banks and it didnt seem in reading his answers that he understood exactly how that would work under dodd frank, exactly who would be responsible, what the criteria were. Clinton also hammered sanders for saying the Family Members of the victims of the sandy hook massacre should not be allowed to sue gun manufacturers, prompting a fiery response from sanders. So what do you say to these sandy hook families who say you should apologize for your position . I would say that i think that it is we all are aware of what happened and sandy hook is a tragedy beyond comprehension. But maybe secretary clinton might want to apologize to the families who lost their loved ones in iraq. Right now, even though shes only won one of the last eight contests, clinton leads sanders by 246 pledged delegates having won 55 of them so far. There is, however, a potential game changer on the horizon. New york where voters go to the polls on april 19th, less than two weeks from now. It is the state where clinton, of course, served as senator, where she lives today and even a narrow loss here would be a genuine disaster for her. If not in the delegate race, clearly in terms of the perception of the strength of her candidacy and campaign. At his victory speech last night, sanders who grew up in Brooklyn Made clear his every intention of winning the state. Please keep this a secret. Do not tell secretary clinton. Shes getting a little nervous and i dont want her to get more nervous. But i believe weve got an excellent chance to win new york and a lot of delegates in that state. Joining me now, karen finney, Strategic Communications adviser, senior spokesperson for hillary for america 2016. Always great to have you here. Do you want to respond to the senators response to sandy hook and iraq . I think that was an unfortunate to tell you the truth. The person who was one of the sandy the Family Member of a sandy hook victim who said they would like to see an apology and actually Hillary Clinton has not only apologized for her vote on iraq, she said it was a mistake and actually a month or two ago senator sanders was asked if his vote, support of gun manufacturers liability was a mistake and he said no. I think hes trying to compare a couple l of different things. Seemed a little testy there but thats all right. This is new york. Thats how we roll. Its rough and tumble. Is the rough and tumble, is that your expectation for the next two weeks here . Yeah, why not . I agree. Look, i have no problem its not i was born in new york. Look, as long as heres what i would say, though. I think its important that this continue to stay focused on the issues and i think it has. I mean, even the clips that you showed from this morning where hillary was responding to a question from joe about some of
the things that came out in that daily news Editorial Board meeting. You know, i think she raised a fair point about, you know, the senator goes around talking about breaking up the banks and, you know, where she has talked about going farther and Systemic Risk and i know youre going to have a debate on that with people far more qualified than i to discuss it. I think thats a fair question. Right, but let me ask you this. I remember i do think sometimes on the democratic side, sort of bracketing that, right, theres this sort of fetish for specifics and plans even with the knowledge that those plans will change, right . So in 2008, secretary clinton and barack obama had a sixmonthlong debate about the mandate that Hillary Clinton said there had to be a mandate. Barack obama said, no, you cant have a mandate. Barack obama won that election and literally the fir