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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes April 21, 2016

One, an overwhelming victory in his home state of new york right here and ten months into the campaign an Actual Campaign operation with traditional things like a strategy and budget that are in the context of this campaign downright novel. As expected trump won new york by a huge margin last night with 60 of the vote. John kasich came in second with 25 and ted cruz in third with 15 . At a Campaign Rally in maryland trump refled in his wide margin of victory. We had a great night last night. I want to tell you, was something. The media was saying you cant get over 50 , very hard to get over 50 , even if youre really against two guys that dont have what it takes. Trump failed to sweep the states 95 available delegates ending up with 89, while kasich picked up four and cruz came up empty handed. Two are unallocated. In the race to 1,237 every delegate counts. A Senior Campaign source told mbc news that Paul Manafort has stepped into a larger role and Corey Lewandowski has been under fire for yanking will arm of a female reporter last month is working as a scheduler and bodiman. He denies the reported. Manafort brought some experienced staffers with him. Trump defended the changes in his victory speech last night. My team has been amazing and its actually a team of unity. Its evolving, but people dont understand that. The press does understand it, they just dont want to talk about it. Thats okay. Its not just personnel changes. After months of taking all their queues from the candidate, they are starting to spend money. Manafort has been given a budget 20 million, more than double what the campaign spent in the entire month of february and more than ted cruz spend in that month. The Trump Campaign is now actively also courting gop lawmakers with manafort visiting washington yesterday to meet with the house of republicans and more than ten months after trump launched his president ial bid, they are touting upcoming policy speeches. The results of manaforts leadership were being told was a different radical donald trump who took the stage last night, trump 2. 0. A kinder, gentler trump with a more president ial tone and finally heshed the ugly rhetoric. The evidence for this total transformation trumps been staying off twitter and the sunday shows and last night he referred to senator cruz instead of lying ted. We dont have much of a race anymore based on what im seeing on television. Senator cruz is just about mathematically eliminated. But less than 24 hours after that speech, here was trump addressing cruz today. In the case of lying ted cruz, lying ted, lies, oh he lies. You know ted, he brings the bible, holds it high, puts it down and lies. The evangelicals have been supporting donald trump, its been great. If there was any doubt that trump is still trump last night he tweeted another apparent white supremacist. Im joined now by the National Affairs editor for new york magazine. Youve been covering this and i feel like were in the plot of this campaign and were being introduced into minor characters will be play a bigger role. Manafort has taken over this situation. Sure. Thats close. I held a meeting as i reported on saturday at trump tower where he gathered all the Senior Campaign staff. He ran the meeting. Corey lewandowski the Campaign Manager was off to the side. He left with trump to go to upstate new york. Manafort stayed behind and ran that meeting. The bars are so low here. You have people say hes a new trump, but even the bar of a budget, spending money, they have this campaign you cannot overstate that this has been an entirely media phenomenon first, second and third. The fact that last night he said senator ted cruz and today he said lying ted. I want to see whether he will spend this money. Weve seen headlines before. The fact that manafort comes in and you get a headline of 20 million, its possible that donald trump will not open up the purse strings. If the man wants to get to 1,237 those dollars are going to matter even if we look back at last night and this point scoring of he missed those four delegates, those four delegates could be important. Ive heard a lot of this is coming from the trump children, the they are pushing their father to say you got to carry the ball over the finish line. They dont want him to get this close and not get there because he didnt spend the money. I thought you were going to say dad dont scanneder our money. They dont want him to make short sighted decisions. How volatile is that organization right now. I think its very volatile. No one thought donald trump had any chance. Corey lewandowski had come out of the political wilderness in New Hampshire to run this campaign. He took donald trump incredibly far to win 25 states. That said they didnt do a lot of things they should have done, worked for delegates, spend money on ads, but from his perspective he should get a lot of credit for getting this far and meanwhile hes being pushed aside and hes going to fight for his turf. Theres this question of you just talked about the inability to manage the guy. If theres one thing that i have learned about modern campaigns is they really reward discipline. Barack obama, whatever you believe of him, is one of the most disciplined human beings i have ever encountered anywhere. Donald trump is the opposite of that and that seems to be the fundamental problem. Thats a problem and asset. Trump said he a the strategist and he is his own speech writer. If he is too managed, last night we saw Trump Supporters say this isnt the trump we want, theyre going to view that as a sell out. The problem is getting from 40 of the republican electorate to 50 of the voters in a general election. Thank you very much. Thank you. Joining me now is Charlie Pierce and political reporter for the guardian. I dont buy it. I dont buy i dont buy anything is going to change. Weve seen time and time again i remember we had sound of him on the night that he won super tuesday when he was in florida where he sounded like a general election candidate and i thought thats a pretty decent message for general election and then it was back to retweeting white supremacist 36 hours later. There is an extent to which donald trump is going to be donald trump. He cant be controlled or managed. I think he recognizes that his supporters dont want to see that shift in tone. Theyre attracted to him because he takes on the political establishment, not because hes trying to rally the establishment around his candidacy. I think one of the reasons that hes brought in these professionals is because hes realized that game ground matters. If you dont understand how thats delegate conventions work, that matters. If you head into a contested convention because donald trump was unable to seal the deal and get to the magic number, thats where ted cruz with his sophisticated organizational operation could run away with the gop nomination. Charlie, i had a thought today i was remembering the campaign for Elizabeth Warren someone who could not be more of the political opposite than donald trump, but she had built an eye denty and she had to run a campaign and fit herself into a discipline box that the modern campaign requires and it took some time to meld those two and i dont see that as something that donald trump is capable of doing. I think its an interesting comparison because she only had do it in one state. Hes not going to discipline himself to the point, but he is going to discipline himself to this pattern. He is going to Campaign Like a thug with, win, be gracious on election night, go to another state and start the whole thing all over again and every time he accepts a speech and comes within an area code of civility, a lot of the elite Political Press is going to get fooled and say its the new donald trump. This is a great scam. Part of the reason thats happening is the strange place we found ourselves in this race and well talk about the democrats. Right now in the republican race we have all these races. We know the contours of what next week is going to look like in maryland and rhode island and connecticut and pennsylvania where we think trump is going do well again. So theres this weird kind of feeling thats set in and people are desperate to find a plot point in the story of this campaign. Absolutely. We know that a big part of Donald Trumps campaign has also hinged on reaching the economically disenfranchised working class vote americans who have been drawn to Bernie Sanders in the primary and i think one thing that is hard to grasp is that a lot of that strategy on the republican side hinges on this idea that there are a lot of reagan democrats who are up for grabs in a general election and thats who donald trump might be trying to appeal to if he does have any sort of strategy, but at this point the system is so polarized that a lot of those voters have been voting republican so its unclear if that would be an effective strategy to defeat Hillary Clinton in a general election. I think the greater challenge facing the Republican Party of donald trump is the nominee still remains the fact that he has allen nated a lot of people they need. What is it about North Eastern republicans that they just love what he is offering . I think its theyre finally new england democrats new york republicans in particular have been lost souls for a long time. They were the last outpost of moderate sensible and dare i say not insane republicans. The great wave that came from the west and took over the Republican Party rolled back at the hudson river pretty much, but at the same time they missed out on all the fun so now heres a guy, hes not bible banging guy from the west, hes one of them in a kind of grand way, but at the same time hes a republican that they can sort of identify with. Hes from the same class as the lodges and the rocka fellers except his family worked their way to the money with a few fewer generations than the rocka fellers have had. Everything remember all politics is identity politics when it comes down to it. Thank you both. Thank you. Still to come, new york voters gave ted cruz a definitive hard pass. Theres a bright spot in the night, but first the climb ahead of Bernie Sanders after a big loss to Hillary Clinton, conflicting messages from the Sanders Campaign on the road forward ill speak with the lone senator who has endorsed sanders dont go anywhere. If june 7th comes and go and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote there are going to be calls from her campaign and calls from delegates in this country for the sanders kpa into make a decision to unity around her. You say that you will spends the weeks in the summer to try to flip super delegates to Bernie Sanders. Yes, absolutely. Bernie sanders Campaign Manager began trending on twitter last night shortly after his interview on this network an the declaration that sanders would keep battling clinton until the convention. That strategy seemed to be at odds with sanders senior strategist tad divine who told the Associated Press around the same time the Sanders Campaign will see how it does next week in pennsylvania, maryland, rhode island, delaware. The Sanders Campaign has launched a major effort in new york spending nearly 7 million on advertising, but sanders still lost to clinton by a wide margin. 58 to 42. Clinton seemed focussed on the general election and unifying the people around here. To all the people that supported senator sanders i believe there is much more that unites us than divides us. Behind the scenes an unnamed Senior Adviser was feeling not quite as mag nan mus. Joining me senator from oregon, the only member from the stat to endorse Bernie Sanders. Tell me about your timing in this. One of the things that struck me was the timing. Youre the first senator to endorse him. Youre endorsing fairly late in this cycle and youre endorsing at a time when it seems his odds of winning have receded consideraby which is the opposite of what politicians usually do. Im not a very good politician. I really felt that i should make an endorsement as we were preparing to vote in oregon. We vote by mail. The ballots go out on april 28th. They will be out for a better part of 2 1 2 weeks and so i wanted to endorse two weeks before the ballots go out and while oregonians are starting to pay attention. I want to get your reaction to what jeff weaver said last night, the idea that the Sanders Campaign would essentially were it to be behind in delegates attempt to persuade super delegates to come over to them and take that to the convention. Do you think thats a good strategy . It reflects different messages coing out of a campaign which happens because the core of the message is look, there is still a path to victory here. Yes, he lost in new york, but he lost by less in new york than president obama lost eight years previously. He did a percent better. Certainly Hillary Clinton home state senator, home state turf, she campaigned in her senate races and she knew the state inside out so it was an extraordinary challenge. There are other challenges ahead that present different circumstances and right now there are a massive amount of citizens and grassroots organizations who are saying we have to change the model of how our economy and political system works and the person who understands that we must change that is Bernie Sanders. Weve now been through this period of 40 years in which nine out of ten citizens have seen no benefit from the increase in american wealth. That is 100 of the new income has gone to the top 10 . Theres something wrong, people understand there is something wrong when nine out of ten citizens and families are not benefitting while the wealth of the nation grows up. Let me ask you this. As you talk about those issues which have sort of come center piece in this campaign, when ive talked to other members of the Senate Caucus on the democratic side, they would say the following thing to me. They say weve worked with both of them, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and im endorsing Hillary Clinton and i was left to think they didnt think much of Bernie Sanders. What are you seeing in him that they are not . Actually i think thats way off the mark. Bernies comments are deeply listened to and widely respected and he has this record of effectiveness that many people are aware of particularly those who served in the house. When he was mayor of burlington he set them up and when he was in the house he was known as the king of amendments, the single house member most effective in getting amendments past and these were things relevant to working americans. In the senate he has proceeded to be the leader on expanding our Health Centers which are the front door for millions of americans to our health care system. He put together a bipartisan veterans bill which is the most important veterans bill that waver had in years and hes taken on the lead to make sure our seniors didnt get short changed. You named a bunch of fights that are a good reminder of some of the fights theyre having in the u. S. Senate. Thanks for joining us. Youre welcome. With us now is the senator of ohio who is endorsing Hillary Clinton. Are you one of the people who thinks that theres some danger that Sanders Campaign is entered into in the territory its in in terms of possible lasting damage they could do to Hillary Clinton should she become the nominee. No, i applaud bernie for what hes done. We had a long conversation today about his reasons for bernie, my reasons for hillary. It was clear that it really is we should be talking about what unites us, not what divides us. But contrast our side with the republicans where they call each other names and attack each other families. Theres some slight differences, but both candidates, like jeff, he sits with me on the banking committee, he fights hard to protect what weve gained with dodd frank. I think what the regulators did this week was a big deal. I think were doing that right. I think we can move a little faster. One of the things i do in banking committees is put pressure on them and one of the other things i do is through my website is outside pressure and i ask people to come and help us join that fight where we can get people outside to keep putting the pressure on the senate to make sure there are no compromises and weakening of dodd frank. I want to talk about that because one of the issues in this campaign has been what threats a new democratic president might face in terms of consolidating some of the accomplishments of the Obama Administration. There are attacks all the time happening right now in the senate on dodd frank for instance that have to be beaten back. Last week and of all places the agricultural committee. Its where we regulate derivatives, the republicans have tried to create this huge Koch Brothers loophole where farmers need to hedge risks, but the republicans want to make the farmers exception turn into the Koch Brothers exception on the oil industry into billions of dollars. The republicans because theyre so controlled by a few mega donors are always going do their bidding and theres always a Koch Brothers loophole when regulatory issu

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