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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes July 8, 2016

The Republican Convention, and i told him id be happy to do so. And frustrated republicans search for answers from the fbi. As a nonlawyer, as a noninvestigator, it would appear to me you have got a hell of a case. And im telling you we dont and i hope people take the time to understand why. The clinton industrial scandal rolls on when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. For the second time in two days, a Police Killing of a black man has brought about outrage and a particular kind of horror that comes when theres graphic video of a life lost. This time, falcon heights, minnesota, and the video in the immediate aftermath of the shooting was streamed live on facebook by the fiancee of the dying victim. The two shootings prompting president obama to make extended and extraordinary remarks after landing in warsaw, poland, for a nato summit. Well have those remarks in a moment, but first, 32yearold ferrellando castillo was pulled over for a broken tail light, according to his fiancee, who was a passenger in the car, along with her 4yearold daughter. The following is a large portion of her live stream video just moments after the shooting in which she describes what happened. The video and graphic and disturbing. We got pulled over for a busted tail light in the back. And the police, hes covered, he killed my boyfriend. Hes licensed to carry, he was trying to get out his i. D. And his wallet out his pocket. And he let the officer know that he was he had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm. Were waiting for a keep your hands where i will, sir, no worries. He just shot his arm off. We got pulled over on larpenner. I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out. You told him to get his i. D. , sir. Oh, my god, please dont tell me hes dead. Please dont tell me my boyfriend just went like that. Keep your hands where they are. Yes, ill keep my hands where they are. Please, lord, jesus dont tell me that hes done. Reynolds said it took 15 minutes for paramedics to arrive. He was declared dead at 9 37. Castillo worked for the st. Paul Public School system in the Nutrition Services department. He had just got his hair cut for his birthday, which was a week away. Crowds gathered and today, further protests around the entire nation. Today Diamond Reynolds was released by police and gave a lengthy interview posted on facebook. Here is a portion of that. They took me to jail. They didnt give us water. They took everything from me. They put me in a room and separated me from my child. They treated me like a prisoner. They treated me like i did this to me. And i didnt. They did this to us. They took a black man away. We used to be safe here, but the police, the people that are supposed to serve and protect us, theyre not serving us and protecting us. Theyre taking innocent people away from their families. Theyre taking innocent people off the streets, and its not okay. Its not okay. Everyone will see that this was a very detrimental situation. Not only to me, not only to her, but everybody in this community. Everybody in this world, not just blacks, not just whites, not just asians, but everyone. This affected everyone. Not black lives matter. All lives matter every single life out here matter, no matter the color, the race, the nationality, we all deserve to be heard. The Police Officer is on paid leave, pending the investigation, which is standard procedure. Minnesotas governor mark dayton said he requested the Justice Department investigate the case. The Justice Department said it would monitor the state investigation being conducted by minnesotas state bureau of criminal apprehension. The governor was blunt in his assessment of the killing. Would this have happened if those passengers, the driver and the passenger were white . I dont think it would have. So im ers toed to confront i think all of us in minnesota are forced to confront this kind of racism exists. This comes less than 48 hours after the shooting death of alton sterling in baton rouge, a shooting at very close range, also that shooting caught on tape. President obama after arri arriving in warsaw, spoke about statistics and called for bipartisan action. According to various studies, not just one, but a wide range of studies that have been carried out over a number of years, African Americans are 30 more likely than whites to be pulled over. After being pulled over, African Americans and hispanics are three times more likely to be searched. Last year, African Americans were shot by police at more than twice the rate of whites. African americans are arrested at twice the rate of whites. African american defendants are 75 more likely to be charged with offenses, carrying mandatory minimums. They receive sentences that are almost 10 longer than comparable whites arrested for the same crime, so that if you add it all up, the African American and hispanic population who make up only 30 of the general population make up more than half of the incarcerated population. Now these are facts. Theres a big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as if because of the color of their skin, they are not being treated the same. And that hurts. And that should trouble all of us. This is not just a black issue. Its not just a hispanic issue. This is an American Issue that we should all care about. All fairminded people should be concerned. We have extraordinary appreciation and respect for the vast majority of Police Officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. Theyve got a dangerous job. It is a tough job. And as ive said before, they have a right to go home to their families, just like anybody else on the job. And there are going to be circumstances in which they have to make splitsecond decisions, and its incumbent on all of us to say, we can do better than this, we are better than this. And to not have it degenerate into the unusual political sc m scrum, we should be able to step back, reflect, and ask ourselves, what can we do better so that everybody feels as if theyre equal under the law . Now the good news is, there are practices we can institute that will make a difference. Im encouraged by the fact that the majority of leadership and Police Departments around the country recognize this, but change has been too slow. We have to have a greater sense of urgency about this. Im also encouraged by the way, that we have bipartisan support for criminal justice reform, working its way through congress. On a regular basis, we bring in those who have done heroic work in Law Enforcement and have survived. Sometimes theyve been injured, sometimes they risk their lives in remarkable ways and we applaud them and appreciate them. And also saying that there are problems across our criminal justice system. There are biases subconscious and unconscious that have to be rooted out. And i would just ask those who question the sincerity or the legitimacy of protests and vigils and expressions of out j outrage who somehow label those expressions of outrage as quote unquote political correctness. I just ask folks to step back and think, what if this happened to somebody in your family . How would you feel . Joining me now, National Reporter for the Washington Post wesley lowri, his book, they cant kill us all comes out this fall, youre definitely going to want to read that. We should start with what happened in falcon heights. One, the presence of a weapon which was apparently announced by mr. Castille at the time of the search. He was permitted to have it. And two is the just way that video plays a role almost as a kind of life raft for miss reynolds in this extremely perilous and dangerous situation. Of course. That reynolds has now watched her fiance, her boyfriend, be shot by a Police Officer, the gun is still trained on her loved one next to her, and rather than, as weve seen time and time again previously, rather than call 911 and say, can a sergeant come out, can the ambulance come out . What she thought in this moment, i need to document this, i need to show it in realtime, the wherewithal to broadcast was phenomenal. This idea that black men and women see their stories being validated through videotape, that black men and women are saying for generations in this country, we are treated this way by Law Enforcement, and people said, no, youre not, youre making it up. And now video has now in dozens of cases shown us that there are times when the police are not being forth coming about these circumstances and that, no, black americans, were not making this up. You have been part of the team that won the pulitzer, documenting deaths at the hands of the police in the united states. I think the president may have been citing your work as he read the statistics today. What do we know about whether the problem is Getting Better or worse . Well, it is getting worse. The police this year, in the First Six Months of the year are on pace to kill 6 more people, to shoot and kill 6 more people than last year. And so what were seeing here is not a decrease in fatal shootings, rather, an increase in fatal shootings. And thats coming despite the fact that more of these shootings are being caught on camera. So there are 30 more shootings this year than at this point last year that have been captured on whether it be a dash cam or body camera or a bystander video. And yet there are 30 more shootings total than there were last year. So what we know is the amount of Fatal Police Shootings on average, three each day of the calendar year, has not in any way been abated. Rather it started to uptick. That book again is they cant kill us all, comes out in november. Founder of campaign zero, a Police Reform group, and also chair of the civilian complaint board in new york city, which oversees the new York City Police and former counsel to mayor de blasio. Ive seen a pattern in expressions of anguish from people in the last two days. And also i have seen a fair amount of despair. Two years ago, Michael Brown was shot in ferguson. I think that was the start of concerted attention and organizing and a movement around Police Killings, around policing. Where are things two years later . What do you say to people that are tempted by despair . What we know to be true is that these two men should be alive today. The Police Officers chose to kill them. They could have made a different choice. We knew that in 2014 when mike brown was killed and weve known it for so long. Protest is the act of telling the truth in public. People have been using their bodies to tell the truth about whats been happening and also that we can live in a world where police dont kill people. So we see people in the streets, pressing their ledgealators for an expanded use of deadly force, that it should be used as a last resort, that preservation of life should be key. President obama it will be more important for him to make use of force standards to be included in the Democratic Convention platform. Thats what were seeing people push for, concrete things that can change. Structure that will then change culture. You have fascinating experience. Youre now heading up the civilian Complaint Review board. How much of this is about training at one end and how much of this is a part of a just much broader way of policing that america has arrived at . Thats an important question. I should qualify my answer first by saying im not quite yet the chair. You havent started yet. By july 18th. Look, i think that were seeing today and what weve been seeing over the past several years is both an awakening of because of technology, about the realities as weve heard about what can happen to folks unfairly sometimes and to an extreme loss of life and its tragic and disgraceful. I think weve also seen that, and certainly our new york experience, its critical important whether Police Departments see themselves as in relationship with community or if they see themselves as at odds with community. I was having a conversation with someone in city hall, actually it was a Police Officer who was a friend of mine. And one of the things he was saying is that under the Previous Police commissioner he was punished for taking off his gun and playing basketball with kids on his beat. Punished for that. Under this current commissioner, thats not something that would be punishment behavior. So the encouragement of a different set of relationships is funld. New york city has a civilian Complaint Review board and its important to have some amount of accountability that fair and just. And the seeds of despair that ive seen, people ive been in touch with, is the accountability on the back end, after this has happened wont bring the person back, a, and b, weve seen time and time again, either no indictment or an indictment and then a not guilty verdict. The system just doesnt seem designed to produce accountability on the back end. Yeah, so this is about a broken culture. And we know that the policing in so many cities and so many states, the culture of policing is broken. What happened when you give people the power to take someones life and they can do it with literally they can do it with impunity at every stance. We believe if you change structures and systems that will make a Police Officer accountable, that would change the culture of policing in and of itself. That would discourage people from choosing to kill black and brown people across the country. It would change it on the front end too. And i think thats a real solution. I think thats possible. But again, what were seeing with the lack of convictions is not the court saying they were not involved in the death of these unarmed citizens. Were seeing the court saying their involvement was not criminal. And that shows us theres a set of laws, policies and practices that simply protect the police at all steps for any reason and that just isnt okay. Thank you both very much for coming. Were going to keep an eye on the protests that are happening in at least four or five cities around the country tonight, from atlanta to minneapolis, st. Paul, new york, down to philly. A lot of fill news to report as well. So do not go anywhere. 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Paul, minnesota, right near the cite of last nights tragic shooting that are erupting from protests today in the wake of two black men killed by Police Officers in the last 48 hours. With 11 days until the Republican National convention, donald trump went to capitol hill to reassure his party that despite criticism, a string of unforced errors and plans for a possible convention coup, he has everything under control. Trump met behind closed door with 215 house republicans, and perhaps because many are in unsafe gerrymander districts, things seem to have gone relatively well. What you saw today was donald trump, the next president of the united states, super charge the republican conference. One standing ovation after another. A far different story at trumps meeting with senate republicans. Four senators in tight reelection races, including john mccain, marco rubio and mark kirk skipped the meeting. Trump reportedly went after kirk in absentia, who withdrew his endorsement of trump, characterizing him as a loser in front of his colleagues. Trump had a Intense Exchange with jeff lake, who introduced himself as the other senator from arizona, the one who didnt get captured, a reference to john mccain in the vietnam war. Afterward he felt compelled to say something. When he attacks the other senator from arizona, john mccain, and attacks his war record by saying, i dont respect people who get captured, thats an awful, awful thing to say about a war hero, a true war hero. And i dont think that we can be dismissive of that kind of statement. After flake told trump he doesnt feel he can support him, trump responded to hit hard at flake. Trump also told flake he would not win reelection to which flake told him, he was not up for reelection this year. Trump reportedly told the house gop the Convention Speakers will include his wife, his daughter, and jack nicklaus. So thats a start. While rubio and kasich, two of his biggest rivals in the primary have said they will not speak, senator ted cruz announced this nafternoon that e will be speaking with one big caveat. Donald asked me to speak at the Republican Convention and i told him id be happy to do so. What else was discussed during the meeting . There was no discussion of the endorsement. He asked me if id speak at the convention and i told him id be glad to do so. Joining me now, republican from texas who supports donald trump and was in the meeting today. Congressm

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