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His acting labor secretary was a sweatshop lobbyist i think you know pat. He is a good man, highly recommended. Then new calls for a complete overhaul of Border Patrol after the head of the agency is linked to a notorious Facebook Group top Border Patrol officials have been aware of the Facebook Group and its egregious contents for many months and even years and just one day after caving on the census, trump tries to spin his defeat. Not only didnt i back down, i back up. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york im chris hayes. We begin with breaking news tonight. Hocking new pictures tonight from the trump detention camps on the southern border images of men tightly packed into cages as Vice President mike pence visited the border on what was supposed to be something of a pr tour the administration disputing reports of horrific conditions for migrants thats what they say this is the reality, as Washington Post reporter josh dawsey who was there wrote, pool was taken to an outdoor corder where almost 400 men were in caged fences with no cots. The stench was horrendous. When the men saw the press arrive, they began shouting, and wanted to tell us theyd been in there 40 days or longer. The men said they were hungry and wanted to brush their teeth. It was sweltering hot. Agents were guarding the cages wearing face masks most of the men did not speak english and looked dirty they said they had been there for 40 days or more upon questioning from the pool. We are not a terrorist. We are not a criminals joining me now, jonathan ryan, ceo and president of raises, which is the largest Legal Immigration Services Provider in texas. Jonathan, i know you organization has been in this facility and others like it. Is this what youve been hearing what the conditions are like consistently and for many years, chris you and i first met actually down in mcallen outside i believe probably the same station, and i have spoken with individuals from somalia 15 years ago about these facilities i have spoken with Central American children this year about these facilities, and their accounts are consistent and theyre horrific the things that take place are beyond the conditions that you see on your tv screens, which show people packed in with no pillow, no comforters. You can even see the water coolers placed conveniently outside of the place where theyre accessible to these individuals. But frankly, it gets much worse than that. The treatment that we hear about from the officers themselves indicates not an aberration from training, but truly training itself rough treatment, body checks, disgusting language, its all commonplace inside of these facilities because that is the culture, and frankly, this is what these facilities do, to further terrorize immigrants and frankly to make them give up their rights so that lawyers are unable to help them to get the protection that they deserve one of the things you talked about the duration for which these facilities have been terrible, which weve had many people who cover the beat for a long time have said that one of the things that seems different to me is the duration of time were hearing individuals detained in what are essentially makeshift facilities that are supposed to hold people for 72 hours what do you say about the fact that were hearing people with 20 and 40 days in pens of 400 people with nowhere to sleep its true that the conditions that we see today have been around for many years. But its also absolutely the case that what were seeing now is a scaled up toughened up, and unfortunately more streamlined in its own devious way and devastating way to cause more harm to more people. Weve never seen anything like the images that are coming out from todays visit and to your point, if this was to have been constructed as a pr opportunity, i think it appears to have blown up in the face of the Vice President significantly, because im shocked even knowing what i hoe, im shocked by the images im seeing. Jonathan ryan of raices texas which provides Legal Support and representation for many of the migrants down at the boarder who are seeking asylum, which is of course legal under u. S. Law. Jonathan, thank you very much. Thank you joining me now democratic senator mazie hirono of hawaii, who is a member of the Judiciary Committee. Senator, your reaction to the images that were seeing from the visit of the Vice President and some of your colleagues. In fact, the chair of your committee, if im not mistaken, Lindsey Graham was in there, mike lee as well who i believe is on your committee as well they were down there during this trip whats your reaction to this based on what the prior person just said, they saw the tremendous overcrowding. There are people shouting theyre not criminals. Tremendous overcrowding, which is what their oni g had said dangerous overcrowding and extended stays in these facilities will endanger the health and safety of these people, and thats whats going on if in fact this is what they saw, i would be very curious to hear what Vice President pence and chairman Lindsey Graham have to say because of what are they going say everything is great . Everything is done going great, which is how the president describes what is going on at the border. Yeah, the president spoke early this morning i dont know if we have that tape i want to show you what the president had to say this morning about the trip and the conditions and the facilities. Take a listen. Today, in a few hours, Vice President pence and the head of Homeland Security are taking the press and congress into detention centers. They are crowded because we have a lot of people, but theyre in good shape were taking a tour. Id love to be there, but im going to ohio, wisconsin theyre in good shape and this is what the Vice President had to say he tweeted this, if we have that tweet. This is what he had to say after he visited the facility. Well get that tweet in a second what you want the say to the president after seeing these images these are images very similar to what we have seen before where the administration kept saying, and of course the president is saying that these facilities are being run well, and that nobody is deprived of anything so these images comport much more closely with what weve all been seeing, this tremendous overcrowding and at the same time, here is an administration that thinks that by being cruel to people, especially the children in these facilities that thats going to stop people from coming over at the same time cutting hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the northern triangle countries where most of these people are coming from. So the cruelty that were seeing is unconscionable, and im just wondering are you trying to find what pence said . I dont know how anybody can go to place like that where the smell, the heat, the overcrowding is office, and what exactly did pence say of the conditions there he said that something to the effect that even under great overcrowding that the conditions were humane. Donna Processing Center how even in the face of overwhelmed facilities, the pbc is providing humane and compassionate care. Congress must reform our laws to end this unsustainable crisis of ilLegal Immigration at the border. They must have a different definition of humane where they dont have access to showers and other basic necessities. They have a very different definition of humane and compassionate. What is you, your colleagues, i dont know where your vote was on that 4. 6 billion supplemental package to dhs, but it pass beside i broad bipartisan support in the senate it passed and was signed into law. There is the question is the problem capacity and money or something deeper about the culture of cbp and i. C. E. , cbp particularly running facility likes this what is your view . Ifft is both. Obviously the there is a culture of cruelty and sadism i would say in these facilities. Not by everyone, of course but when you have conditions like that where people are all smashed together and the president keeps talking about these migrants as less than human, i think you create an environment where certain kinds of behaviors and statements that are very detrimental and not regarding these people as human beings comes to the fore, and thats whats happening. Senator mazie hirono, thank you very much for being with me. One small addendum to what i just said. The Vice President s tweet was about the donna Processing Center thats another center than this center which is at mcallen, which is what were seeing, though one can imagine that the conditions arent surprisingly different there. We have not heard any comment here josh dawsey, who is the Pool Reporter from the Washington Post who is there, who i should say to his credit was on pool duty, and according to his pool report, negotiated with the Vice President s staff and the secret service to be let into this facility, which was not, if i understand his reporting, the pool report initially on the tour kudos to josh and to the crew that got in there. He talked to the Vice President afterwards the Vice President basically said he wasnt surprised by what he saw these horrifying pictures come just hours after the acting Inspector General of dhs testified before congress about the terrible conditions theyve seen and the dangers that those conditions pose. Our recent unannounced inspections revealed a situation far more grievous than those previously encountered by our inspectors for instance, when our team arrived at the El Paso Del Norte Processing Center, they found that the facility, which has a Maximum Capacity of 125 detainees had more than 750 detainees onsite. The following day, that number increased to 900 also testifying at that oversight hearing several members of congress who had been inside some of those facilities, who describe what they saw to their colleagues and clearly, as senator hirono was just saying there is a combination of factors in play, including an actual appreciable uptake in Border Apprehensions of people seeking asylum, and a culture at customs and Border Protection that seems frankly at least from the outside and from the news were getting pretty rotten to its core just last week, for example, propublica reported on a Facebook Group for Migrant Deaths these posts are completely inappropriate and contrary to the honor, and integrity i see and expect from our agents day in and day out but get this in a new piece out today, the intercept found that not only was provost a member of that same Facebook Group, she event commented on a post, albeit not any racist or sexist content she has since left the group here with me to talk what has gone so wrong with the culture at cbp and jed budd ryan, i want to come to you in a second jen, i want to begin with you. You worked for cbp you served as an agent what is your reaction to what were learning now and what were see manage the images, the Vice President today in the oig reports . First i need to be clear that i was a Border Patrol agent under the prior system before cbp came about, but it is the same agency in the Border Patrol and it is the same environment and the same culture when i see these pictures, honestly, chris, ive never seen anything like this before in my life those detention facilities ive seen, and i know them well, theyre Processing Centers, but theyre kind of like a drunk tank in that they just have one toilet and then they just have some bench seats but theyre not meant to hold anybody more than really honestly 24 hours. Yeah, and we were hearing people 40 days, yelling 40 days. Ryan, youve been doing reporting on the culture of this place. Tell me about this Facebook Group, and how the acting director was involved in it. Well, the Facebook Group is called im 1015. Its since had its named changed. Its been archived, but i managed to get access to the group several weeks ago and we started archiving hundreds of posts in the group those posts sort of reveal the culture inside the cbp and inside the Border Patrol specifically when agents feel like theyre not being watched its an invite only group. So folks are in there kind of expressing their unvarnished opinions about a lot of things a lot of meme sharing. In a lot of ways, its indistinguishable from kind of the worst right wing content you might find on the internet, except this is populated by current and former federal Law Enforcement officials. Including the acting head of the agency thats correct. So we were able to find a post from carla provost, the chief of the Border Patrol in november 2018, three months after she took over the agency officially in which as you mentioned, it was rather an innocuous quote. But what it shows is she was a member of this group, knew that this group existed and participated in this group she someone of several officials weve been able to identify took part in this group. So its not just her. Other supervisors you identified are a part of this group we found three supervisors of whole sectors and several station patrol agents in charge. Jen, are you surprised to hear about the tenor of some of the racist, sexist, and really kind of vile memes that have been shared on this message board . No, im not surprised at all. Honestly, thats what im used to seeing from the Border Patrol it was that way back when i entered in 9 fi5, and its alws been that way. Its just gotten worse over time frankly, when they first responded to this with their press release saying they didnt know anything about it, and then not too long after that, they released a second press release stating that they had known about it for years, and that they were monitoring it. Right. My First Response on twitter was i think maybe theyre saying that because were going to find out that some higher ups are on it and theyre going to try and say that they were monitoring it im not surprised at all that she was on this. Its shameful and its disgusting what is your reporting indicate about the culture of this agency at this moment when it is clear we should be clear here the numbers really are up. It really is under strain. They are detaining more people they are apprehending more people there are more families coming to the border. That is a real actual empirical fact in the world thats changed in terms of what cbp had been doing which is largely apprehending people trying to cross in an unauthorized fashion that are single men. This is a thing starting in 2014, getting worse now. Where is this agency now its been interesting monitoring the Facebook Group until it was exposed last week over the last month and a half or so, a rising level of anger and frustration, which was always part of the group, but it really sort of hit a fever pitch in the last few weeks, especially as the sort of conversation around concentration camps heated up. You saw a lot more posts about that a lot more posts about representative alexandria ocasiocortez, her visits to the border she became the sort of obsession on the group, and we saw a lot of posts shared about her, a lot of very vulgar and violent posts shared about her it wasnt just memes that were seeing on here we see Group Members complaining about times they werent able to use lethal force on job, and how theyre not going to make that mistake again. There were users joking about roasting migrant kids alive in this sort of mylar blankets that theyre given in detention centers. It was a lot of really aggressively violent content and also users sort of playing a game in which they would share the quote unquote stupidest Central American name that they come across in a detention center, and sharing identifying information from migrants who had been brought into custody to oneup each other. It was a really ugly culture that developed in this secret Facebook Group. Ryan devereaux, fantastic reporting. Jen bud, thanks. I really do report it. Breaking news on the timing of Robert Muellers. And the fallout from theps etein scandal continue, and that is next dont go anywhere. I switched to miralax for my constipation. Stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. Miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. And it doesnt cause bloating, cramping, gas, or sudden urgency. Miralax. Look for the pink cap. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. Man who cut a secret nonprofit agreement with a known sex predator will soon be out of a job that will be u. S. Secretary of labor alex acosta when he announced he is resigning over criticism of the lenient treatment he gave to Jeffrey Epstein when he was a u. S. Attorney in florida more than a decade ago. I do not think it is right and fair for this administrations Border Patrol<\/a> after the head of the agency is linked to a notorious Facebook Group<\/a> top Border Patrol<\/a> officials have been aware of the Facebook Group<\/a> and its egregious contents for many months and even years and just one day after caving on the census, trump tries to spin his defeat. Not only didnt i back down, i back up. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york im chris hayes. We begin with breaking news tonight. Hocking new pictures tonight from the trump detention camps on the southern border images of men tightly packed into cages as Vice President<\/a> mike pence visited the border on what was supposed to be something of a pr tour the administration disputing reports of horrific conditions for migrants thats what they say this is the reality, as Washington Post<\/a> reporter josh dawsey who was there wrote, pool was taken to an outdoor corder where almost 400 men were in caged fences with no cots. The stench was horrendous. When the men saw the press arrive, they began shouting, and wanted to tell us theyd been in there 40 days or longer. The men said they were hungry and wanted to brush their teeth. It was sweltering hot. Agents were guarding the cages wearing face masks most of the men did not speak english and looked dirty they said they had been there for 40 days or more upon questioning from the pool. We are not a terrorist. We are not a criminals joining me now, jonathan ryan, ceo and president of raises, which is the largest Legal Immigration<\/a> Services Provider<\/a> in texas. Jonathan, i know you organization has been in this facility and others like it. Is this what youve been hearing what the conditions are like consistently and for many years, chris you and i first met actually down in mcallen outside i believe probably the same station, and i have spoken with individuals from somalia 15 years ago about these facilities i have spoken with Central American<\/a> children this year about these facilities, and their accounts are consistent and theyre horrific the things that take place are beyond the conditions that you see on your tv screens, which show people packed in with no pillow, no comforters. You can even see the water coolers placed conveniently outside of the place where theyre accessible to these individuals. But frankly, it gets much worse than that. The treatment that we hear about from the officers themselves indicates not an aberration from training, but truly training itself rough treatment, body checks, disgusting language, its all commonplace inside of these facilities because that is the culture, and frankly, this is what these facilities do, to further terrorize immigrants and frankly to make them give up their rights so that lawyers are unable to help them to get the protection that they deserve one of the things you talked about the duration for which these facilities have been terrible, which weve had many people who cover the beat for a long time have said that one of the things that seems different to me is the duration of time were hearing individuals detained in what are essentially makeshift facilities that are supposed to hold people for 72 hours what do you say about the fact that were hearing people with 20 and 40 days in pens of 400 people with nowhere to sleep its true that the conditions that we see today have been around for many years. But its also absolutely the case that what were seeing now is a scaled up toughened up, and unfortunately more streamlined in its own devious way and devastating way to cause more harm to more people. Weve never seen anything like the images that are coming out from todays visit and to your point, if this was to have been constructed as a pr opportunity, i think it appears to have blown up in the face of the Vice President<\/a> significantly, because im shocked even knowing what i hoe, im shocked by the images im seeing. Jonathan ryan of raices texas which provides Legal Support<\/a> and representation for many of the migrants down at the boarder who are seeking asylum, which is of course legal under u. S. Law. Jonathan, thank you very much. Thank you joining me now democratic senator mazie hirono of hawaii, who is a member of the Judiciary Committee<\/a>. Senator, your reaction to the images that were seeing from the visit of the Vice President<\/a> and some of your colleagues. In fact, the chair of your committee, if im not mistaken, Lindsey Graham<\/a> was in there, mike lee as well who i believe is on your committee as well they were down there during this trip whats your reaction to this based on what the prior person just said, they saw the tremendous overcrowding. There are people shouting theyre not criminals. Tremendous overcrowding, which is what their oni g had said dangerous overcrowding and extended stays in these facilities will endanger the health and safety of these people, and thats whats going on if in fact this is what they saw, i would be very curious to hear what Vice President<\/a> pence and chairman Lindsey Graham<\/a> have to say because of what are they going say everything is great . Everything is done going great, which is how the president describes what is going on at the border. Yeah, the president spoke early this morning i dont know if we have that tape i want to show you what the president had to say this morning about the trip and the conditions and the facilities. Take a listen. Today, in a few hours, Vice President<\/a> pence and the head of Homeland Security<\/a> are taking the press and congress into detention centers. They are crowded because we have a lot of people, but theyre in good shape were taking a tour. Id love to be there, but im going to ohio, wisconsin theyre in good shape and this is what the Vice President<\/a> had to say he tweeted this, if we have that tweet. This is what he had to say after he visited the facility. Well get that tweet in a second what you want the say to the president after seeing these images these are images very similar to what we have seen before where the administration kept saying, and of course the president is saying that these facilities are being run well, and that nobody is deprived of anything so these images comport much more closely with what weve all been seeing, this tremendous overcrowding and at the same time, here is an administration that thinks that by being cruel to people, especially the children in these facilities that thats going to stop people from coming over at the same time cutting hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the northern triangle countries where most of these people are coming from. So the cruelty that were seeing is unconscionable, and im just wondering are you trying to find what pence said . I dont know how anybody can go to place like that where the smell, the heat, the overcrowding is office, and what exactly did pence say of the conditions there he said that something to the effect that even under great overcrowding that the conditions were humane. Donna Processing Center<\/a> how even in the face of overwhelmed facilities, the pbc is providing humane and compassionate care. Congress must reform our laws to end this unsustainable crisis of ilLegal Immigration<\/a> at the border. They must have a different definition of humane where they dont have access to showers and other basic necessities. They have a very different definition of humane and compassionate. What is you, your colleagues, i dont know where your vote was on that 4. 6 billion supplemental package to dhs, but it pass beside i broad bipartisan support in the senate it passed and was signed into law. There is the question is the problem capacity and money or something deeper about the culture of cbp and i. C. E. , cbp particularly running facility likes this what is your view . Ifft is both. Obviously the there is a culture of cruelty and sadism i would say in these facilities. Not by everyone, of course but when you have conditions like that where people are all smashed together and the president keeps talking about these migrants as less than human, i think you create an environment where certain kinds of behaviors and statements that are very detrimental and not regarding these people as human beings comes to the fore, and thats whats happening. Senator mazie hirono, thank you very much for being with me. One small addendum to what i just said. The Vice President<\/a> s tweet was about the donna Processing Center<\/a> thats another center than this center which is at mcallen, which is what were seeing, though one can imagine that the conditions arent surprisingly different there. We have not heard any comment here josh dawsey, who is the Pool Reporter<\/a> from the Washington Post<\/a> who is there, who i should say to his credit was on pool duty, and according to his pool report, negotiated with the Vice President<\/a> s staff and the secret service to be let into this facility, which was not, if i understand his reporting, the pool report initially on the tour kudos to josh and to the crew that got in there. He talked to the Vice President<\/a> afterwards the Vice President<\/a> basically said he wasnt surprised by what he saw these horrifying pictures come just hours after the acting Inspector General<\/a> of dhs testified before congress about the terrible conditions theyve seen and the dangers that those conditions pose. Our recent unannounced inspections revealed a situation far more grievous than those previously encountered by our inspectors for instance, when our team arrived at the El Paso Del Norte<\/a> Processing Center<\/a>, they found that the facility, which has a Maximum Capacity<\/a> of 125 detainees had more than 750 detainees onsite. The following day, that number increased to 900 also testifying at that oversight hearing several members of congress who had been inside some of those facilities, who describe what they saw to their colleagues and clearly, as senator hirono was just saying there is a combination of factors in play, including an actual appreciable uptake in Border Apprehensions<\/a> of people seeking asylum, and a culture at customs and Border Protection<\/a> that seems frankly at least from the outside and from the news were getting pretty rotten to its core just last week, for example, propublica reported on a Facebook Group<\/a> for Migrant Deaths<\/a> these posts are completely inappropriate and contrary to the honor, and integrity i see and expect from our agents day in and day out but get this in a new piece out today, the intercept found that not only was provost a member of that same Facebook Group<\/a>, she event commented on a post, albeit not any racist or sexist content she has since left the group here with me to talk what has gone so wrong with the culture at cbp and jed budd ryan, i want to come to you in a second jen, i want to begin with you. You worked for cbp you served as an agent what is your reaction to what were learning now and what were see manage the images, the Vice President<\/a> today in the oig reports . First i need to be clear that i was a Border Patrol<\/a> agent under the prior system before cbp came about, but it is the same agency in the Border Patrol<\/a> and it is the same environment and the same culture when i see these pictures, honestly, chris, ive never seen anything like this before in my life those detention facilities ive seen, and i know them well, theyre Processing Center<\/a>s, but theyre kind of like a drunk tank in that they just have one toilet and then they just have some bench seats but theyre not meant to hold anybody more than really honestly 24 hours. Yeah, and we were hearing people 40 days, yelling 40 days. Ryan, youve been doing reporting on the culture of this place. Tell me about this Facebook Group<\/a>, and how the acting director was involved in it. Well, the Facebook Group<\/a> is called im 1015. Its since had its named changed. Its been archived, but i managed to get access to the group several weeks ago and we started archiving hundreds of posts in the group those posts sort of reveal the culture inside the cbp and inside the Border Patrol<\/a> specifically when agents feel like theyre not being watched its an invite only group. So folks are in there kind of expressing their unvarnished opinions about a lot of things a lot of meme sharing. In a lot of ways, its indistinguishable from kind of the worst right wing content you might find on the internet, except this is populated by current and former federal Law Enforcement<\/a> officials. Including the acting head of the agency thats correct. So we were able to find a post from carla provost, the chief of the Border Patrol<\/a> in november 2018, three months after she took over the agency officially in which as you mentioned, it was rather an innocuous quote. But what it shows is she was a member of this group, knew that this group existed and participated in this group she someone of several officials weve been able to identify took part in this group. So its not just her. Other supervisors you identified are a part of this group we found three supervisors of whole sectors and several station patrol agents in charge. Jen, are you surprised to hear about the tenor of some of the racist, sexist, and really kind of vile memes that have been shared on this message board . No, im not surprised at all. Honestly, thats what im used to seeing from the Border Patrol<\/a> it was that way back when i entered in 9 fi5, and its alws been that way. Its just gotten worse over time frankly, when they first responded to this with their press release saying they didnt know anything about it, and then not too long after that, they released a second press release stating that they had known about it for years, and that they were monitoring it. Right. My First Response<\/a> on twitter was i think maybe theyre saying that because were going to find out that some higher ups are on it and theyre going to try and say that they were monitoring it im not surprised at all that she was on this. Its shameful and its disgusting what is your reporting indicate about the culture of this agency at this moment when it is clear we should be clear here the numbers really are up. It really is under strain. They are detaining more people they are apprehending more people there are more families coming to the border. That is a real actual empirical fact in the world thats changed in terms of what cbp had been doing which is largely apprehending people trying to cross in an unauthorized fashion that are single men. This is a thing starting in 2014, getting worse now. Where is this agency now its been interesting monitoring the Facebook Group<\/a> until it was exposed last week over the last month and a half or so, a rising level of anger and frustration, which was always part of the group, but it really sort of hit a fever pitch in the last few weeks, especially as the sort of conversation around concentration camps heated up. You saw a lot more posts about that a lot more posts about representative alexandria ocasiocortez, her visits to the border she became the sort of obsession on the group, and we saw a lot of posts shared about her, a lot of very vulgar and violent posts shared about her it wasnt just memes that were seeing on here we see Group Members<\/a> complaining about times they werent able to use lethal force on job, and how theyre not going to make that mistake again. There were users joking about roasting migrant kids alive in this sort of mylar blankets that theyre given in detention centers. It was a lot of really aggressively violent content and also users sort of playing a game in which they would share the quote unquote stupidest Central American<\/a> name that they come across in a detention center, and sharing identifying information from migrants who had been brought into custody to oneup each other. It was a really ugly culture that developed in this secret Facebook Group<\/a>. Ryan devereaux, fantastic reporting. Jen bud, thanks. I really do report it. Breaking news on the timing of Robert Mueller<\/a>s. And the fallout from theps etein scandal continue, and that is next dont go anywhere. I switched to miralax for my constipation. Stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. Miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. And it doesnt cause bloating, cramping, gas, or sudden urgency. Miralax. Look for the pink cap. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. Man who cut a secret nonprofit agreement with a known sex predator will soon be out of a job that will be u. S. Secretary of labor alex acosta when he announced he is resigning over criticism of the lenient treatment he gave to Jeffrey Epstein<\/a> when he was a u. S. Attorney in florida more than a decade ago. I do not think it is right and fair for this administrations Labor Department<\/a> to have epstein as a focus rather than the incredible economy that we have today epstein plead not guilty in new york monday on charges that include sex trafficking of underaged girls. He faces up to 45 years in prison prosecutors saying he abused dozens of girls, some as young as 14. Today prosecutors accused him of witness tampering, saying that epstein paid 350,000 to tamper with potential witnesses against him. Epstein had faced similar charges in florida, but served just 13 months in prison with work release privileges thanks to the deal that acosta cut secretly with epsteins lawyers that deal came just a few years after epsteins longtime former pal donald trump told new York Magazine<\/a> that epstein was, quote, a terrific guy, adding that he is a lot of fun to be with it is even said he likes beautiful women as much as i do, and many of them are on the younger side acosta defended his handling of the epstein case on wednesday, blaming state prosecutors and insisting he cut the best deal possible, but it wasnt enough to save his job. Sources tell nbc news that trump spent yesterday asking friends and allies about whether acosta should be fired and was assured that acosta would leave on his own which must have been a relief i just want to let you know, this is him not me, because im with him he was a he is a tremendous talent he is a hispanic man he went to harvard, a great student. And alex, i think youll agree you said you dont have to do this he doesnt have to do this you know what i know about alex . He was a great student at harvard. Hes hispanic, which i so admire you did hear that last part right. The president said he was a great student at harvard, he is hispanic, which i so admire. Acosta will be replaced by the latest acting member of the Trump Administration<\/a>, incoming acting labor secretary Patrick Pizella<\/a> who used to work for jack abramov the two worked for policies for unchecked slave labor. The new secretary was a lobbyist for sweatshops im joined by National Correspondent<\/a> of the atlantic who wrote about his lobbying in 2001 also with me former secretary of labor robert reich lets start on pizella what was he was involved with in the Mariana Islands<\/a>. The Mariana Islands<\/a> are an archipelago in the pacific ocean. Theyve been part of the commonwealth of the United States<\/a> since world war ii, and theyve existed in this weird netherlands. Since 1975, theyve been allowed to ship goods to the mainland of the United States<\/a> dutyfree, tarifffree, stamped with the made in the usa label, but the Ford Administration<\/a> granted them an exemption for all labor laws. And so it became a magnet for foreign sweatshops where you had laborers coming from china and other places in asia who would live in guarded barracks they would be subjected to coerced abortions. They would be paid meager wages. Their barracks were filled with rats and there were very few toilet, and pizella lobbied to maintain the mariana in this state. And he did so by essentially corrupting the conservative movement, or taking conservatives, bringing them on junkets to the hyatt at the marianas they played golf they would censorship cocktails with umbrellas and go on tours of these factories, and theyd come back and write these articles about how the mariana were a petri dish of capitalism, to use tom delays words and he successfully managed to stymie protection of these workers who were living in the most disgusting fetid conditions this came up, bob, during actually his confirmation hearing, because he was a deputy and al franken in the senate at this point pressed him on it take a listen. Did you and the socalled team abramov lobbyists lobby against the murkowski legislation . We might have i dont actually remember if we lobbied against that legislation, but i would assume we did. Would it bother to you to know you were lobbying against protections for thousands of workers who were being abused . Would that bother you . Of course it would. But what you mentioned were allegations made allegations that were documented many times over and over again while you were lobbying. Yes. Against increasing the minimum wage. Increasing the minimum wage bob, what do you think . Good call for secretary of labor . Well, you know, chris, every time there is a new vacancy in the Trump Administration<\/a>, the next person who goes in is even worse than the one before. I dont know where the bottom. Youve got foxes guarding almost every hen house across every agency in the federal bureaucracy right now. And this guy just seems even worse in many respects than acosta you know, the problem here really is systemic and weve got to understand this as systemic. Youve got a cabinet of temp workers who dont even understand their agencies, and youve got foxes guarding every single hen house the American Public<\/a> is really not being treated in fairly and in a responsible way. Yeah, frank, there has been 13 cabinet departures at this point that have had zero, w had one. When you look at dhs, you see what this looks like youve got acting at cbp, acting at the top of the agency, here are the acts just at the cabinet label, security, u. N. Ambassador, fema director, and a storm bears down on new orleans. At some point, this is going to bite very hard, dont you think . Its an astonishing list. It speaks to a lot of the incompetence that we see i think one other vital point is that acosta was criticized by some for not moving quickly enough to dismantle worker protections. And we have to remember, and secretary reich remembers this better than anyone this is a department assigned to protect the American Worker<\/a> and the American Workplace<\/a> in the regular story state that it presides over. It has a real meaningful effect. And to bring a guy in whos idea of freedom is a sweatshop island, i mean, it really does speak to their vision for the American Worker<\/a>. How much damage can be done, bob, when youve got very loose supervision, no meaningful check, because you dont have the consent of the senate in a lot of these place, and someone motived by a specific either corporate or ideological agenda . Chris, a great deal of damage can be done, particularly because trump likes to have acting directors and acting secretaries. It gives him much morley way he says it gives him more flexible what it really means is there is no accountability to the public, to congress. The Labor Department<\/a> is a collection of very, very dedicated and capable public servants, but to treat them the way that they have been treated is really well, its not bringing out the best in the department lets put it that way. And the public needs those labor protections. Franklin ford and robert reich, thank youot bh for being with me. Thanks. More on the breaking news ne next [ sniffing ] come on. This summer, add a new member to the family. Hurry into the mercedesbenz summer event today for exceptional offers. Lease the glc 300 suv for just 419 a month at the mercedesbenz summer event. Going on now. Think you need to pay prestige prices for better skin results . Try Olay Regenerist<\/a>. The rich, hydrating cream is formulated with vitamin b3 and peptides to plump skin cells, brighten, and visibly smooth wrinkles. In fact, just 1 jar has the hydrating power of 5 jars of the prestige cream. For visible results without prestige prices, try Olay Regenerist<\/a> with a money back guarantee. And complete your routine with the olay eye collection. Brand power. Helping you buy better. We have more breaking news tonight. House Judiciary Committee<\/a> chair jerry nadler says Robert Mueller<\/a> has agreed to reschedule her testimony. Mueller had been scheduled to testify this coming wednesday. Now he will testify a week later on july 24th according to nadler, mueller has agreed to appear for an extended period of time in front of both the judiciary and intelligence committees joining me is buzzfeed legal reporter zoe tillman this seems like it was in the work what do we know about how this came about and what it means what we had been hearing earlier today and as the days were getting closer to the much anticipated july 17th date was that the time restrictions were concerning to some of the more junior members of the committee, who were concerned that they would not have time to ask questions, that there wouldnt be enough time for robust questioning of the former special counsel, and it look likes with the delay of a week and the extension of time, that that will allow more members to ask questions and will allow generally for a longer and in theory more comprehensive hearing, although its not clear how much the special counsel is really willing to say, regardless of the length of time and how many people ask questions. So its a week later, but a longer period of time. There is Something Else<\/a> happening today in the sort of congressional oversight beat, which was an oral argument before the d. C. Circuit that was an appeal of a District Court<\/a> finding that basically said a congressional subpoena of a Financial Firm<\/a> that worked with the president mazars that the president had to turn over the documents. They appealed to the d. C. Circuit today, and there were oral arguments there you got to listen to them. What happened there . It was not another great day for the president s attorney in these cases. Right now they are challenging subpoenas to Financial Institutions<\/a> both here and court in washington as well as new york, and the president s personal attorney faced a lot of skeptical questions about his argument that basically, the House Oversight<\/a> committee lacks any power to look into the president s personal financial matters. There werequestions especially from judge patricia mollett saying basically are you arguing that congress cant initiate an investigation into corruption by the office of the president . And the president s lawyer effectively said yes i want to play that sound with judge mollett and william consvoy who is representing the president , it is remarkable sound. Take a listen. I imagine you have in the future the most corrupt president known to humankind, openly flaunting, doing it what law could Congress Pass<\/a> i think its very difficult to think of. Okay. You cant think of one id like to take a shot and explain why its not so just look at the president ial records act. That would be the most innocuous one, and it survived constitutional review. So he is basically arguing like they just dont have the power as an almost constitutional matter to do this, right . Thats right. And its really consistent with the arguments that weve seen coming from not just the president in his personal kpassy, bkpas capacity, but also this administration saying there should be limits to what congress can demand, executive branch agencies, there should be limits on what congress can demand of outside parties that are connected to the president we expect to see a similar argument raised in a lawsuit the democrats have filed against the Treasury Department<\/a> seeking the president s tax returns. The Justice Department<\/a> effectively made the same arguments in a legal memorandum that we saw coming from the president s personal attorney. So they are launching a fullout strategy of trying to limit court review as much as possible this will be interesting because this is almost certainly going to end up before the Supreme Court<\/a>. Zoe tillman, thank you very much thanks. Next, after caving on putting a Citizenship Question<\/a> on the census, President Trump<\/a> says he didnt back up im sorry. I screwed that up. He didnt back down, he backed up but conservatives are upset over this failure in their effort to maintain minority rule thats next. Beauty editors have tried everything. In search of a whiter smile. Their choice . Crest 3d whitestrips. Our exclusive whitening formulation safely whitens 25 times better. For a noticeably whiter, smile. Trust americas 1 whitening treatment. Crest 3d whitestrips. Not only didnt i back down, i backed up. Anybody else would have given this up a long time ago. The problem is we had three very unfriendly courts. They were judges that werent exactly in love with this whole thing. And they were wrong. The president for the second day in a row pretending he had not been dealt defeat in his quest to put a question about citizenship on the u. S. Census, but it was a defeat. And his allies and the federalist conservative society know it. One of the conservative leaders today calling the whole situation a total waste of everyones time that will give people pause the next time one has to decide how far to stick one necks out oh, theyre sad. The reason theyre ticked off, and the reason there was such strenuous effort to have the Citizenship Question<\/a> put on the census in the first place is this effort to get the question is part of a much broader gop and conservative project that extends across the entire coalition from trump to Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> to state legislators to the Supreme Court<\/a> and the project is to alter the structures of american governance and representation to protect minority rule for an increasingly outnumbered white republican base. And the president s failure on the census means he blew the whole thing, or at least part of it for everyone involved joining me now, maya wiley, former assistant United States<\/a> attorney in the Civil Division<\/a> and msnbc analyst and will wilkinson. His latest work deals with urbanization, polarization i knew i was going to screw that up as well here is what is remarkable to me, maya the Trump Administration<\/a> lied about what they were doing on the Citizenship Question<\/a> they even acknowledged it so much because now when you ask them why they are doing it, they dont go with the lie. They lied before the courts, before congress and the American People<\/a> they lied in representation to Lower Court Judges<\/a> about their moefts four justices on the Supreme Court<\/a>, the four conservatives including two appointed by trump says thats fine go ahead we want you to be able to lie about this, because basically, we support the project, right . Pretty much i mean, what they say is you can so the interesting thing about the opinion and i think Linda Greenhouse<\/a> wrote an excellent piece on this, you know, they spent 22 pages, including chief justice roberts, 22 pages explaining you can do this right you the power to do this just go back, because you dont even have to talk about the four dissenting justices just go back and come up with Something Else<\/a> right its essentially what he says even though because elena kagan in the argument says you want us to believe that after you came up with the reason, after making the decision you wanted the question. And then you started shopping around for the rationale. Right but were supposed to believe your rationale and that did not sway the justices and its really interesting to think about how much the new evidence that was not before the Supreme Court<\/a> that really an intentional decision to disinfranchise large groups of people of color was really what was underneath it. You just wrote the great report about this urban rural divide to oversimplify american politics and you have this argument the Republican Party<\/a> is becoming the party of what you call pastoralist supremacy what does that term mean and why is it so important for them to put structures in place that allow essentially minority rule . Well, in my paper, i explain that our politics has become split along population density, and Republican Party<\/a> has become basically the party of white older lower density america and the Democratic Party<\/a> is the Multicultural Party<\/a> of the city. The problem for republicans is that their base is a minority of the overall population, and a shrinking one. Right they could our system is already rigged to favor smaller populations and lower density states, but thats not good enough given the size of that coalition. So what they need are means of Electoral College<\/a> in the senate baked into the constitution but also political gerrymandering this is all part of the same project. Its got the same people behind it these are the gerrymanders, the wisconsin one that was upheld by the Supreme Court<\/a>. Roberts said you were too grievous in the way you lied i have to ding you on this the dems got 53 of the vote in wisconsin and patchy fog of the state Assembly Seats<\/a> the gop won 45 and got 64 , almost a super majority. If you rig the game like that, you can get allayw waway with my rule. This is exactly why after the Supreme Court<\/a> said were going to gut even though a majority of senators, bipartisan have historically and continuously said there is a need for the Voting Rights<\/a> act. Yep. That we have continuing discrimination, and there is no way to protect voters of color after elections. Theyve already lost their political voice. So we have a preclearance rule we say you have to those places that have a long history, including a recent history, still have to get permission to do something that might harm voters of color. When the Supreme Court<\/a> says you know what . Were just going to gut that now. Yep the floodgates open in states like texas, north carolina, georgia, alabama that continue a process of making it extremely difficult through strict voter id laws, you know, ending early voting. Yep in georgia we saw disenfranchised. Purges. Purges and also by type possess. Disenfranchisement by typo so all of these and in some states very explicit statements by republican legislators that this is to insure political power. It does, will, seem to me were headed towards a real democratic crisis here your argument in that paper is that they have every incentive to create structures either through the courts or through other means to kind of barricade themselves a degree of political power as their base shrinks. I mean its its not necessary. Its a contingent thing. The Republican Party<\/a>, because they have the advantage of the low density, low population bias could easily maintain its electoral edge every cycle without what i call the antimajorityian firewall. They could keep winning election franchise they just dig in one or two or Percentage Points<\/a> to the nonwhite vote share. Right. Every election cycle. But they wont do it because theyve become invested in the idea that their base as presently constituted is the only true and legitimate manifestation of real american identity. Right, right. So they have to hunker down into that identity will wilkinson, and maya wiley, thank you both for joining us ahead, as Tropical Storm<\/a> barry closes in on new orleans, the city faces an unprecedented set of dangers were going to go live from new orleans, ahead applebees all you can eat is back. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Some big news from mr. Clean. 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Presenting the threerow subaru ascent. Love is now bigger than ever. The first major storm of the season is heading vat for the louisiana coast. Tropical storm barry is expected to make landfall as a category one hurricane, bringing with it a major threat of storm surge and flash flooding as well as massive amounts of rain. 25 inches are forecast in some areas of the state 10 to 15 inches in the city of new orleans. With the Mississippi River<\/a> already eight feet above normal levels the river is rising faster than expected at this very hour, although forecasters are still projecting it will crest after the storm at about 19 feet, which is a key number because its just below the height of many of the levees currently protecting new orleans the mayor is calling for a voluntary evacuation for everyone outside of the citys levees and asking residents to shelter in place starting at 8 00 p. M. Local time tonight i want to bring in new orleans city councilwoman cindy nguyen where she sheltering from the weather in a Grocery Store<\/a> councilwoman, what is the latest and how does it look for the folks who are not going to be leaving the city good evening, chris its pretty calm right now we have a little bit of wind in the lower nine area. People are making sure they are taking care of their preparation for the storm, but it looks like many people are staying chlg i s see a lot of cars travelogue the street we are very hopeful. We are very blessed that we have a robust team and the mayor put together ensure that all citizens, not just in district eight, but the city of new orleans will prepare to weather out the storm. Everyone remembers what happened during Hurricane Katrina<\/a> where levees did fail. Its a part of the city thats below sea level. Are you confident the adjustments and changes in height that happened since katrina put you in a good position to be protected from this kind of event i spoke to the core ever engineers at length this morning. They are confident at the protections. They are the experts in the entire city will be safe during the storm how have things changed overti overtime, particularly as we have climate models suggesting wetter weather with more intense storms in how you and city officials think about planning when Something Like<\/a> this happens. Mostly its about education, but making sure that we have been pushing a lot about cleaning out the cash basin. I know my colleague, councilman jay bank got flooded on wednesday heavily. He started a Massive Movement<\/a> making sure the cash basements are cleaned out and people are not leaving debris on the curbsides so that way all of the drainage is able to drain out the water. Water has to go somewhere. If our drainage system is clogged up, its going to go somewhere. We dont want to go into homes we want it to go to the drainage system do you have a place that places that people can go inside the city of new orleans if they cant get out. Can they shelter in place at this hour . Yes, yes. The mayor has opened up several shelters one is the rosen berg recreational center. People can call 311 and there will be an arrangement for people to be sheltered there you expressed confidence in the army corps has the army corps won that confidence from the city in the last 13 years . I believe they are working on it and they have continued to monitor the levee system and they have been at it since wednesday. Even before that its not just because of the storm that they have been monitoring the system. I will be out here tomorrow with them to make sure that the levee is going to be good. They have put and added sandbags to make sure the water doesnt topple over. They will feel confident and our citizens will be safe. Councilwoman cindy nguyen the Rachel Maddow<\/a> show starts now. Thanks to you at home and happy to have you with us tonight. Honestly, there are a whole bunch of developing news stories we are following tonight on what of course is a very busy friday because thats what fridays are always like now. Just within the last hour or so, we are getting in images from protests around the country that are being held under the banner of lights for liberty. 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