Of the majority, indeed the vast majority of americans. The reality remains that it is not clear the country is ready to open in my full sense. And we need to ground the conversation in the reality of now, right . This is what now looks like. On sunday, there were 16 pages of obituaries in the boston globe. 8 1 2 page out of new orleans. That is almost double the normal amount. 12 pages in connecticuts hartford current, the index on the left unkascharacteristicall stretching to the bottom. And in new york, the icus are still full and nurses like amy are exhausted. None of us in the down state area of new york can even handle anything more. Theres no way. Were full. And frankly, were tired. And theres nobody to be able to do our jobs. If you want to live, you stay home. My god, dont open up this country. If you want to live, you stay home. Today, we lost another 2500 americans to this virus. And the idea that we are definitively past the peak, that its time to sort of move on, the virus cannot get even worse once we venture back out is not supported by the available evidence. Just today, we saw the biggest jump in coronavirus cases since april 10. The covid tracking project, which has been assemble thing data and publishing it for all the u. S. States, said coronavirus deaths rose to a new single day high in their data set today. The director of the centers for Disease Control warned the second wave of coronavirus this winter will likely be worse. Telling the washington post, and i said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they do not understand what i mean. Heres the thing, the Trump Administrations own plan, the one they released to great fanfare, their own plan for states to begin to quote unquote reopen, requires the state to have a, and im quoting here, to have a downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14day period, as well as robust testing in place for atrisk health care workers, including antibody testing. Those are quite sensible recommendations, and they are in phase one of the administrations reopening plan. But it is not clear that any of the states that announced they are reopening meet those Trump Administration guidelines. Look at the state of georgia, which is about to reopen a wide range of businesses under republican governor brian kemp. The state will allow reopening of businesses including hair salons, gyms, bowling alleys, nail salons and Massage Therapy centers, followed by restaurants, and movie theaters on monday. If that sounds insane to you, were not alone. For the record, georgia does not meet the white house guidelines. It has tested less than 90,000 people out of a population of more than 10 million. Mayors in georgia are describing the governors decision as reckless, dangerous, and illogical. Stacey abrams, whose the governors democratic opponent in 2018, hotly contested, says the decision could cost lives. Were the eighth largest state in the nation, but we have the 14th highest infection rate and the seventh slowest testing rate. These jobs reopening, businesses that are reopening are going to force frontline workers back to work without access to a Health Care System to help them if they are in need. The worry is by trying to push a false opening of the economy, we put more lives in danger. Its not just georgia. South carolina and tennessee have plans to reopen. Texas and alaska are moving in that direction, as well. Colorado, run by a democrat, also has a reopening plan, though we should say the timeline is considerably less aggressive. The push, in some states, to reopen quickly, even in contravention of the white house, the Trump Administrations own guidelines, is perhaps best encapsulated by the Lieutenant Governor of texas, republican dan patrick, who argues that there are more important things than living. Like bowling in georgia apparently. But its not lean clear, and this is a really important point, that this move by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp or other state also be good for the businesses in these states. Those businesses will have restrictions lifted, but may not be able to conduct business safely and may not have any customers. So what good does it do them in one georgia Business Owner tweeted this this is kind of the point. For all the attempts of some voices on trump tv and the president to blame the governors for the predicament, the problem remains the virus. And now a state like georgia has put restauranting and nail salons and tattoo parlors in a situation where its on them to pay the bills, even if they do not have customers or to strong arm their workers to come in and giving massages. It remains the case, and i get tired of saying it, but its just true every night, that fighting and combatting and beating the virus, containing it, surveilling it, needs to be a primary concern. It is such a simple elemental truth. It somehow needs to be drummed into the heads of powerful people that seem intent on missing it. The white house today, a group of nurses held a protest over their lack of personal protective gear. They held up photos of fallen comrades, one reading the names of 50 nurses who have died from the virus. We are here because our colleagues are dying. Our health care workers, our nurses, our doctors, people are dying. I think that right now, people think of us as heroes. But were feeling like martyrs. Were feeling like were being left on the battlefield with nothing. On covid units, everyone is hungry. Everyone is thirsty. Everyone is afraid to eat or drink, because if we take our masks off, were afraid were being exposed. Im joined by the democratic governors of two different states. Governor phil murphy of new jersey and Governor Gretchen Whitmer of michigan. Governor murphy, every state has Different Things to think about. But just to sort of imagine what it would be in new jersey, if you were to say tomorrow in new jersey you can open your nail salons and your restaurants, open your movie theaters, would that work at all . Would there be any customers or commerce whatsoever . Chris, good to be with you. And im honored to be with governor whitmer, im a big fan of hers. Sign me up for the importance of living team. So with all due respect to the Lieutenant Governor of texas. My god, nobody would show up. People are a lot smarter than some of these folks are giving them credit for. They want to have not only do we want to preach stay at home social distancing, do your part, and by the way, new jersey has done folks have done a great job with that, but were not out of the woods yet. Not only do we need to give them the confidence that we have a testing regime in place, contact tracing, a plan to isolate any rebirth of this, in addition to tracking the back of the curve, but they want confidence themselves. No one is going to show up, and who can blame them . They want to make sure were on the backside of this curve, which were not there in our state. And we have a system in place that gives them the confidence that they and their families can come out and participate in the economy and the society again. Were not there yet, at least here. You know, its interesting, because i think theres been a concerted effort to produce the perception that this is a contentious issue, and polarizing issue in American Life about these mitigation efforts. But the polling out of your state was interesting. 88 approve of banning gatherings. 95 approve of requiring facemasks in public places. What im seeing when i look at the numbers is a lot more sort of unity behind the broad approach to beating back the virus than maybe some corners are trying to portray. How do you feel about it . I feel strongly thats the case, chris. At least in new jersey. Thats my complete focus. Theres a small number of folks who are protesting a lot of the steps we have taken. And by the way, they have a right to protest. I wish they would do it virtually and at home. But overwhelmingly, and by the way, across the political spectrum. Folks want to make sure we beat this virus first, that we do the things that we have to do. They may not like it, and god knows i completely understand that. Folks have cabin fever, i get it. Theyre looking at the weather getting better. We understand all that. But they understand unless we keep doing what were doing, were not going to break the back of this, and as we say, Public Health creates economic health. Its in that order. And folks get that. I want to ask about a particular population that every state has and is at particular risk, thats prison populations. Nursing homes have been the area of a lot of concern and reporting because they have been extremely exposed. Veterans homes. But prison populations also are place where is its hard to socially distance. You have exposure of employees and inmates. There was an article that a sit corrections officer in the state had to get a coronavirus test on his own. Are you satisfied there is sufficient testing and surveillance inside prisons and are you doing enough to make sure those are Safe Environments for both the prisoners and the people who work in them . Chris, first of all, as a general matter, as a nation, we came into this as a testing reality at a minimum with one, if not both arms tied behind our backs. Weve now tested the fourth most amount of tests of any american state, but its been cobbling it together with bubble gum and paper clips. And weve said consistently we wont break the back of this virus, in addition to doing the right thing by humanity, we wont break the back of this virus unless we bring everybody along. Nursing homes, veterans homes, and corrections. So were in the process. Its gotten better. Were in the process of looking through a series of steps and batches of folks that were actually considering letting go under the right circumstances. Were trying to get all the protections to our Corrections Officers, the testing they need. I read that same story and was horrified by it. We have come a long way but were not where we need to be. But thats a national story, not just in corrections. We have come a long way, but boy, we have a long way to go as it relates to testing. Thank you very much, sir. Thanks for having me, chris. I want to bring in now as i said before the governor of michigan. Governor, you know, this sort of idea of building i think a narrative of everything being polarized on this question of stay at home orders, and michigan saw some protests again, numerically a small number of people. Give me a sense of what is happening in your state. I know youve been the subject of critique in the legislature. Do you think theres broad support politically for continued efforts to attack the virus and bring the curve down . I know there is. And we see the vast majority of people in michigan are doing the right thing. We have been able to frattin lar curve and its because people are staying home. As you see efforts to reengage economies, we know its going to be essential that we are making decisions based on the best science, the best practices, that when certain sectors are slowly brought back on, that they have the ppe and the protocols they need to keep both employees safe, as well as the general public, who theyre hoping will come into their stores. I think for the confidence of our citizenry, weve got to get this right. We have to share with people how we are perceived and what our test levels are. What our ability to meet needs are if we do have covid19 growth in a particular part of the state. People need to have confidence that we have a plan that we are being methodical and data driven about this, and we are keeping their health at the center of all the decisions were making. Let me ask you the same question i had to ask governor murphy in new jersey, which is if you were to say, okay, you can open your movie theaters and your nail salons tomorrow. Do you think there would be any workers or customers for those sorts of venues at this moment where michigan is . I dont think so. And you know what . Those would be some of the last things to come online when we do start to reengage sectors of our economy. As were doing the analysis, lets have a rigorous undertaking to make sure we get this right. We dont want a second wave of covid19 to threaten our lives and our health care institutions. And so the last thing to come online are going to be the ones so intimate, especially if theres not the appropriate ppe available. And i dont know what the situation is in georgia, but i know that we are grabbing every ppe we have for our first responders, for our nurses and doctors. And then we will talk about how do we ensure that businesses have ppe for employees. But the immediate concern is both frontline people that are doing the essential jobs that are life sustaining, and we dont have enough ppe for them right now. I want to ask you the same question i asked governor murphy about prison populations, which, again, is a specific subset. There was an article about one prisoner who passed away from covid, a juvenile lifer who was just weeks away from parole. A lot of people who feel that its simply immoral and unjust for folks to essentially face that kind of sentence of sickness inside the prison. Have you done enough as a governor to keep those places safe or to release people that dont need to be there . Well, were working incredibly hard to make sure that people who are incarcerated are safe and that we are maximizing our ability to parole everyone who is in the pipeline over the course of the next 12 months. We are expediting and working seven days a week with the parole board to keep moving people out, so that we ensure they have a home to go to, and that they can be safely returned to the general public. So i think having a plan to returning citizens is absolutely essential. Were doing testing in our prisons. We dont have covid19 in every prison like some states do. But we do have it, and were taking it very seriously. Were isolating people who have symptoms of people who have tested positive. We have a number of Corrections Officers who we are trying to make sure they get the quick test so they can stay on the frontline, as well as taking care of our people of michigan. So this is something that is a challenge. We have people that are in close quarters with a virus that is incredibly contagious, and deadly. And theres no sure and no vaccine for. But the more we can test, the better. Thats for the general population, that is for our incarcerated population alike. 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