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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes April 25, 2020

Reelected and so he seized on genuinely promising, though very limited initial signs about this malaria drug and day and night he, folks on trump tv flogged it and pushed it. A drug called chloroquine some would add hydroxy, hydroxychloroquine. Its been around a long time. If things dont go as planned, its not going to kill anybody. If i had the choice, i would use it for me and im only speaking for me. In a lot of ways, hydroxychloroquine is the ideal medicine. At this point it come across as a game changer. What do you have to lose . Take it. I really think they should take it. Watching people in the media talk down a potentially life saving medicine because a politician they dont like endorsed it is probably the most shameful think i have seen. Just recently a friend of mine told me he got better because of the use of that drug. What do you have to lose . Been taking it for 40 years for malaria. The word is out. The people get it. These people dont get it. The media. But the people get it. We now know this is not just speculation and hype. Behind the scenes, the Trump Administration was trying to force the drug on americans in contra vengs of scientific advice. They ousted a doctor in the midst of a pandemic, dr. Rick bright that says part of the reason he was ousted and removed from his post in the midst of the pandemic is because he quote resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug, hydroxychloroquine on demand to the american public. On demand. Well, now, we have the emails obtained by vanivanity fair showing the Trump Administration quote really wanted to flood new york and new jersey with the drug. A drug that had not been sufficiently tested for treatment of coronavirus. The fda is cautioning against using that drug outside of the hospital setting, outside of a Clinical Trial due to the risk of heart rhythm problems and researchers have cut short a study of the drug siting a high risk of death from the people taking it nearly two dozen died after taking doses daily. Now the evidence here is mixed but thats why it needs to be studied and now trump tvs Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson and sean hannity you saw on tape are trying to moon walk away from the notion they were pushing this drug in the first place. But here is the thing, the president has not given up on the idea of some magical solution because he is incapable of thinking about this as a longterm battle that requires strategy and care and competence and expertise. Nope. He still wants the magic bullet to save him and his reelection so here he is yesterday just brainstorming on how to cure the coronavirus and as you watch this, please keep your eyes on dr. Debra birx who had been up until you a long respected Health Professional who morg mortgaged her reputation on helping this man. Suppose we hit the body with a tremendous whether its ultraviolet or just powerful light and i think you said that hasnt been checked but youre going to test it and i said suppose you brought the light inside the body, which you can do through the skin or in some other way, and i think you said youre going to test that, too. Sounds interesting. And then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do Something Like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs so it would be interesting to check that. That deep breathe she takes there when he says injection, a cleaning. Test that, too, have you run that down for me . Yes, yes, yes, as everyone noted thats insane and sounds insane but hes the president. Thats the guy running the country. People listen. The Maryland Emergency Management Agency said it received several calls regarding questions of disinfectant and companies had to warn people not to drink it. Lysol said quote due to recent speculation and social media activity, we should be clear under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body. Clorox put out a statement warning people not to put the products into their bodies and warnings from the epa and cdc and Surgeon General who implored people to please talk to your Health Care Provider before administering Health Care Treatment to yourself or a loved one. Just today trump lied and said his initial comment was sar t sarcastic and went ahead after lying and saying it was sar tfw ti sarcastic. This is happening on a day when the death toll from this virus has reached 51,000, more than 51,000 americans died from it. He said the cases were going down to zero in february. Were heading towards a million cases. On our way to that. 26 Million People have lost their jobs. And day after day after day were seeing theres no real plan. Theres no plan or Solutions Coming from the white house. Instead, there is every night carried on this network and others a twohour pathological narcissistic where the president feels some sense of satisfaction because people are watching him and goes back to watching more tv. Here with me now the journalist who wrote the vanity fair piece to push chloroquine as a plan for treating coronavirus. They are really quite startling emails. What did you find . Nice to be with you, chris. Thanks for having me on. The emails really are stunning because what they show is a very clear high level Pressure Campaign to essentially flout or circumvent regulations for patient safety, pressure on Career Health officials to make the drugs widely available and then just the plan thats expressed in these emails like, you know, want to flood new york and new jersey with treatment courses and, you know, thats a final answer essentially to paraphrase, were pushing this into pharmacies and in one email saying the eua, which is the fdas rule matters not and the idea was to get this to essentially any patient that wanted it through pharmacies even when all of the top government clinicians and the fdas own rules stated that this should only be used in strictly monitored hospital settings and preference in hospitalbiassed Clinical Trials. It one thing if obviously i think we all learned from the aids crisis, i think, that the fda isnt the final word on invoii invasi invasion, risk and reward and got a lot wrong and act up folks that pushed them past what they were willing to do. There is no final authority. It clear that its different to say look, yes, lets try this drug in clinical settings and hospitals. Lets let doctors use it and observe what happens. This is something else. We want to push this over the objections of the fda so every person in this area can go to the pharmacy basically and take this outside of those sort of supervised trials. Thats right. On march 24th, the top working group of clinicians and the government counter medical measures group came to an internal consensus statement saying the drugs are dangerous. They havent been properly studied and they should only be used for treatment of covid19 in these strictly controlled hospital trials. And despite that, it was very clear the fdas top lawyer who is a political appointee sent out an email here is the plan were going to, you know, hand this over to this agency to kind of create a study design and the president wants to announce it from the podium. You know, it was i have the emails link it to the white house so the Pressure Campaign was pretty clear and, you know, Career Health officials were ex fre extremely concerned. They felt this plan did not protect patients and put them at risk. Didnt have enough monitoring and controls and the drugs, i mean, this is not they may not be as dangerous as clorox or lysol but these are drugs that come with risks of cardiac events. There was tremendous concern. We should note that dr. Bright who is heading up the governments in 2016 and an expert on developing vaccines, particularly against influenzalike threats, until your reporting, he was basically saying look, this is what im saying. This is my claim i was removed because i stood in the way of this but your reporting provides t the first black and white smoking evidence what was going on was going on. There was a plan to push the drug on demand. It confirms that part of it, right . It absolutely does. I maybe ever meean, one email i states from an employee in rick brights agency when the plan is unveiled, weve been hit by a bus, now we hit back. The hitting back appears to be to try to corral this plan and change it so that the chloroquine drugs in the national stockpile, the requirement is they can only be used in a hospital setting but further emails show that, you know, top Trump Officials are saying forget about that rule, and not good enough. Push it out through the distribution channels. Fantastic reporting. Everyone should go read that article and emails that are unbelievably damming, thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. I want to turn to senator cory booker, democrat of new jersey who tweeted out today quote i dont believe i have to say this but dont ingest or digest disinfectant into your body. Would it be better if the president stopped doing these dog and pony shows . Yes. Unequivocally yes. Hes not being constructive and we see now hes putting lives at risk with that outrageous advice that further threw gasoline on every gutter aspect of the internet with crack pot there r ryes how people could be cured. This would be funny if people werent dying at rates in my state that are still outrageous and unacceptable and that folks are looking for hope and hes not providing it. He is undermining a National Effort to do what is necessary to make our nation strong and safe. How is your your state is in the thick of it right now. From the case data and fatality data from new york state, which was the worst hit state, it appears that it is past its plateau. Its a little less clear in new jersey thats the case, which is still in the midst of probably the worst part of the epidemic. How is your state doing . Look, the new jersey toughness and the grit here is impressive and folks are light workers all around our state and im talking to people from north to south and just seeing incredibly beautiful stories but were still going through hell. Not only is economic damage hurting so many families, talked to unions today and businesses that have laid off, furloughed people but the Health Crisis i mean, god, i spent a lot of my day doing condolence calls and talking to people on front line of the medical fight. So this is a very difficult time where the second state in fatalities. The second highest state in cases and we are a long way to go until we get through this hell and thats why we need a president that is going to actually offer solutions and do things we really need them to do on the federal level. The president today signing that sort of 3. 5 cares act relief bill which some are seeing as a followup to the one that passed a few weeks ago to replenish some of the funding for the Payroll Protection Program for Small Businesses and workers as well as money for hospitals but im starting to hear you heard Mitch Mcconnell say it and ted cruz said okay, okay, enough of this spending and of this helping, Mitch Mcconnell said states in fiscal trouble should declare bankruptcy and called any money for the states a blue state bailout. What do you think about this idea they are going to tell the states across the nation tough you guys should just go declare bankruptcy. You got to fire your workers. You got to do it. Thats ridiculous. So when hurricanes hit the gulf coast, socalled red states, florida, i voted for massive resources to infuse into the states to help with the crisis as we should. Right now, in our state and a number of states were in jeopardy of going to such a financial crisis that we lay off critical workers, ambulance drivers, firefighters, teachers, police officers, think about this for a second. We are a country that quickly bailed out some of the biggest businesses and corporations we have but when it comes to truly essential workers, a leader in our federal government has just said youre expendable. Well, im telling you right now thats just not the case. If we do not get critical money for regions of our country like ours that are getting hit by a hell of a storm greater than anything weve seen in our lifetime taking more lives than wars take and our federal government cant step up for these families and communities who are being protected by those folks and served in essential ways by those folks, that is so unamerican and such a front to our ideas as a nation and so this is going to be one hell of a fight. There is no way youre going to sell out worker doing the toughest jobs and putting themselves at risk when we need them right now. Final question about where your state is. The Governor Phil Murphy was talking about some money that was from earmarked from new jersey in one of the previous relief bills, i think 1. 2 billion because of some technical Strings Attached to it and the statutory sense is likely unusable, what do you know about that . Are you working on that . Do what does that mean . This is part of a tough negotiation in the first cares act where Mitch Mcconnell now brought two bills to the floor. Democrats stopped them and were able to get more things into them. One thing they got in is funding for state and local governments. The challenge is that flexible dollars or not . We got a lot of assurances when treasury would write the rules, they would write them in a way to be flexible enough new jersey could use the moneys to deal with the crisis we have. Unnoi unfortuna unfortunately, it doesnt seem to have been honored. Wow. Well, that seems like a big deal. Thats an understatement. Again, when we have, you know, im sitting here in new jersey and my the largest city in the state and said their expenditures are going so far up and revenues going down and they are in danger of laying off critical workers, firefighters get laid off. People that are doing the front line work, i mean, were basically saying as a country larger corporations who got hundreds of billions of dollars, yeah, thats something that the republicans in the senate can support but not front line workers. That doesnt make sense to me. Were better than that as a country and we got to step up and support states. Well find out if we are. Senator cory booker, thank you for making time tonight. Thank you very much, chris, as always. I really appreciate your reporting. Ahead, just three months removed from his impeachment acquittal, remember that . President trumps corruption continues. A man that warned us about that situation. Congressman adam schiff joins me next. Congressman adam schiff joins me next hold my pouch. Trust us. Us kids are ready to take things into our own hands. Dont think so . Hold my pouch. Do you remember when the president was im peached earlier this year, the third time in American History . That ended in february less than three months ago if you can believe it. It sure feels like another lifetime but here is the thing, if you go back and you look at what the president was im pempd for the dangerous tendencies like putting his personal political interest above the National Interest and distinguishing between the two, retaliation against whistleblowers, all selfserving corruption. All of that were seeing on deadly display right now day after day because you cannot trust him to do what is right. That is what impeachment manager adam schiff warned us about back in january. And you know you cant trust this president to do whats right for this country. You can trust he will do whats right for donald trump. Hell do it now. Hes done it before. Hell do it for the next several months. Hell do it in the election if hes allowed to. This is why if you find him guilty, you must find that he should be removed. Because right matters. Because right matters. And the truth matters. Otherwise we are lost. Everywhere you look, of course, there is the corrupt intent in everything the president does. A selfserving desire to put his political future above anything else in the middle of a pandemic killing tens of thousands of fellow americans. Today for instance we learned the president owes tens of millions of dollars to the bank of china and the loan is do in what could be trumps second term which i dont know, may or may not explain why the president praised china and leaders at least 15 times since the virus was spreading even though he wants to memory hold that now. You never know. One of the nations leading vaccine experts demoted we talked about the last block told us he had to resist a push to fund potentially dangerous drugs, listen to this, promoted by those with political connections. President was many pushing a drug with unknown side effects because people around him would profit just like the president s associates running around ukraine to score lucrative business deals, right . Same thing. There is so much more. We were warned. Democrats in congress impeached President Trump in 52 out of 53 republican senators voted to him him there and now here we are again. Joining me now, the man that warned us about the president , the chair of the House Intelligence Committee adam schiff democrat of california. I wonder how you think about what happened a few months ago, that that episode which seems like all things on the other side of this fence in time of before and after the pandemic hit the u. S. There is bun thing you have to say haunts me from the trial and it was before that snippet you showed where we knew we had to answer the question to the senators, okay, essentially house managers, you proved him guilty, does he really need to be removed after all . We have an election in nine months. How much damage could we really do . And we posed that question to the senate and we answered it by saying that he could do an awful lot of damage but frankly, chris, i dont think we had any idea how much damage he would go on to

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