Donald Trumps Campaign and the modernday White Nationalist movement known as the altright. Clinton said that trump has in effect given the altrights fringe ideology a National Platform by installing steve bannon as head of his campaign. Thats the very same steve bannon who last month told mother jones that breitbart is, quote, the platform for altright. The american renaissance, one of the most prominent voices, rejected clintons claim with a statement criticizing her suggestion that trump shares the altrights views before going on to clarify exactly what those views are. Quote, its central concern is race. Race is not a social con instruct, its a biological fact. There is very broad overlap between the races, but they differ in average levels of intelligence and in other traits. It also says the united ates has a distinct cultu and heritage that derives from the european founders. It is not a territory that is up for grabs that belongs to whoever can manage to sneak across its borders. The descendents of the founding stock have the right, even the duty, to resist dispossession, unquote. Joining me now, president of the Latino Partnership for conservative principles. Also Southern Poverty Law Center president , Richard Cohen and andrew weinstein, organizer of an anti trump petition and a former aide to bob dole and newt gingrich. Thank you all for being here. I want to start with you, richard. On the subject of the altright. The Southern Poverty Law Center has classified it as a hate group. What is the connection between breitbart. Com and the altright . Well, you know, as you said in your introduction, joy, bannan has said that breitbart is the platform for the altright. Its published lots of altright essays and also lionized the leaders like people like Richard Spencer as intellectuals. And white washed the racism. I think people should understand that the altright is basically a rebranding of White Supremacy for the digital age. And one of the things, andrew, that you have seen the altright do, is they want they have this sort of goal of exploding political correctness, sort of mainstreaming the idea of using hate speech, anti muslim, anti black. We have seen it with the saturday night live comedian, who was attacked by my low union oppose liss and driven off twitter and that sort of thing. Why does the altright seem to also target conservatives and republicans, because they seem to be a principle target as well . Well, i think that in this case, its because the altright sees donald trump as their candidate. And theyre working to try and get him elected and they think that attacking those who question Donald Trumps qualifications to be president and not just attacking them, but threatening them and preventing them from expressing their right to free speech will help donald trump get elected. So i think there is a very intentional effort to chill political speech here. I think a lot of these groups or individuals who are supporting the altright, the hate community out there, is are attacking the supporters, anyone who would oppose donald trump, because they think they can get them to stop doing so. Yeah. Let me play alfonso, a little bit of one of the ads that Hillary Clintons campaign is running, connecting these dots between the altright, steve bannon and breitbart and donald trump. Take a listen. Trump is a phenomenon, because he expresses a kind of nationalism. And this is something that has been effectively absent on the american right. Mr. Trump, like it or not, you have become the spokesman for white people. Im overjoyed to see donald trump, and most americans, embrace most of the issues that ive championed for years. So alfonso, how can the republican party, you know, Going Forward during this campaign and after, attract people of color, attract voters of color, people like you, you know, latinos, africanamericans, when you have members of the White Nationalist community openly embracing the candidate that you support . Let me first say that, you know, im a target. A regular target of the altright movement through some of their websites because of my support of immigration reform. They attack conservatives. Look, i dont think that donald trump knows what the altright movement is. And to try to suggest, as that commercial does or Hillary Clinton did in her commercial, that, you know, there are ties between him and the outright movement, is pretty ridiculous. Its a fringe, its not that influential. Theyre fringist on both sides. But more influential now that steve bannon, who has declared that he made breitbart. Com a center for the altright. If if you go and scroll through breitbart. Com, its a cesspool of hate speech. Of to make that person not just a part of the campaign but the ceo of the campaign, that is connecting himself directly, plugging himself into the altright. How can it not be . Well, i mean, i dont know about that. I think its a Remote Association its remote, but hes the ceo of donald Trumps Campaign. But the question is, donald trump is the candidate. Donald trump doesnt know anything about the altright movement. Donald trump is not a racist. I think if were going to play that same game, then we have to challenge Hillary Clinton, for example, when she says that she is an admirer of margaret sander, for example, the founder of planned parenthood who believed that people of color were undesirables. I mean, is she going to distance alfonso, with all due respect, manning let sanger is dead and not running the campaign. But okay. Let me get Richard Cohen in on that question. Is it possible to hire someone who is who identifies himself with Something Like the altright, with basically a White Nationalist movement, to hire them to run your campaign and not be associated with them, richard . Look, before he hired bannon, racist themes were running through mr. Trumps campaign, really from the very start. And i think another important thing to realize is, you know, its not just the president ial election thats at issue now. Its really our character as a nation. You know, are we going to be defined by the principles of our founding documents, or are we going to be defined by ethnicity . And i think thats a question thats going to persist kind of long after this election, and you know, i think breitbart is on the side of ethnicity. And andrew, youve had probably the most direct experience with dealing with these people. If they were what is their goal, in your view, richard, in trying to glom on to the republican party, essentially push out what they see as weaker conservatives . If they were to then get president ial power, associated with them . What is it that they want . Well, ill start by saying richard first. Im sorry, andrew. You go ahead. Okay. Im sorry. Just to follow up, joy, for a little background for your viewers who might not know, after i wrote the letter or organized the letter to the rnc, urging it to focus on the senate and house and cut its ties to trump, the altright gates kind of exploded, and i received a tremendous amount of hate and threatening tweets and voicemails left on my home machine, and websites attacking me and all things that i know both of my fellow guests are familiar with, as well. But really, i think language has no place for in politics, including images of me in a gas chamber, images of a cartoon jew being kicked by a booth that says trump to an oven with a caption saying get in that oven, andrew. Messages saying i would make a great lamp shade. Terrible images and threats to me. And thats what the altright actually is, for folks who may not know what theyre doing. I think to alfonsos point earlier, whether or not donald trump knows anything about this group, i think it is crazy to say donald trump doesnt know this is going on. The press has covered this in great detail. Every time he does something that sends a dog whistle to the altright, not only is it cord in the press, but the altright responds with glee and joy hes doing those things. And when hes been given direct opportunities, sitting in a chair with someone asking whether hell renounce these people, whether its david duke who he claimed not to know until later the day when he decided he shut renounce him or for that matter, julia iofi, who came under Death Threats from the altright and wolf blitzer asked donald trump what message he had for his quote, unquote, fans, who were sending her Death Threats because of her religion. And his response was, i have no message for the fans. Yeah. You could not be more explicit than that, and him turning down the opportunity to repudiate the altright. And the altright understands that he is sending these signals, that he is supportive of what theyre trying to do and thats why theyre supporting him too. And hes retweeted alfonso, White Nationalists. Normal people dont normally retweet White Nationalists. I dont want to give the impression that i love mr. Trumps comments, the comments hes made now or during the primary, i find many of those comments offensive. And yes, i think they have encouraged some of those groups, absolutely. To say that it was intentional, very wellorganized, strategic, i think thats going i intentionally hired i want to talk he does control his own twitter account. And he is retweeting White Nationalists. If theyre in the stream of your social media, that is not moral. I think i could argue that is a double standard. That is not a double standard. Youre mentioning a dead person. Planned parenthood. It is not a u general cyst organization. 52 of all on latino and africanamericans. I think thats smear on planned parent hood could not go forward. Troubling new details from steve bann bannons personal history. A Police Report confirmed by nbc news details a Domestic Violence incident in 1996. According to the report, his wife told police that during the encounter, bannon grabbed her by her wrist and neck. Responding officers said they saw red marks on her wrist and neck and photographed. And his wife told them he had gotten physical with her on three or four previous occasions. He was charged with three misdemeanors. He pled not guilty and the case was later dismissed when prosecutors said they were unable to find his wife. Last night nbc news also obtained portions of the divorce records between bannan and his now exwife. The couple was still fighting over their 1997 divorce ten years later. And in a 2007 filing in the divorce, his exwife said, of the incident that bannans lawyer told her to leave town so she couldnt testify against her husband. And that the lawyer threatened her and if she testified against him. Now bannans lawyer denied the allegations when reached for comment by nbc news. In that same filing, his exwife also said that he was opposed to his two daughters attending a prestigious West Los Angeles prep school because of the number of jews that attend. She said that he doesnt like jews and that he doesnt like the way they raise their kids to be, quote, whiney brats and that he didnt want the kids going to school with jews. His personal spokesman said in an email to nbc news that he never said anything like that and that he has a great relationship with his exwife and daughters. Very quickly, i want to let andrew respond to that really quickly s. That the steve bannon that you find familiar . Absolutely. I mean, this guy this is not someone who is kind of expressed a couple somewhat controversial views over the years. This is someone who has wrapped his arms completely around the altright movement. Claimed it for himself. The altright movement has cheered him and said that he is someone who believes the same things they do. Theres a bond that goes both ways and everyone acknowledges it except donald trump who somehow decided this man, who should have no role in politics, who should be evicted from the conversations of legitimate political dialogue has is the appropriate person to run his entire campaign. I really just dont i think that if donald trump had an ounce of seriousness about tackling this very deeply problematic issue, the first thing he would have to do immediately is fire steve bannon. And alfonso, do you think he should fire him . If there is any truth to those allegations, yes. I mean, look, the association, i would say, is troubling, yes. But i think at this point, i dont have an answer. We have to look more into exactly who this person is. And richard, im going give you the last word on this. What would be the thing that would trouble you the most about people like steve bannon getting proximity to power, meaning in the white house. Well, again, i think its an assault on the character of our nation. And what were going to be as we move forward. And, you know, as our diversity increases. Were having a tremendous backlash to the nations changing diversity. And people like breitbart, people like trump, are pouring fuel on a fire. Yeah. Well, thank you very much to Richard Cohen and andrew weinstein. Alfonso aguilar is staying with us. Trumps stance on immigration. First said it was softening and then hardening. Oh, my. Landic game show. And everyone knows me for discounts, like safe driver and paperless billing. But nobody knows the box behind the discounts. Oh, its like my father always told me put that down. Thats expensive. Of course i save people an average of nearly 600, but whos gonna save me . [ voice breaking ] and thats when i realized. Im allergic to wasabi. Well, i feel better. Its been five minutes. Talk about progress. [ chuckles ] okay. Talk about progress. 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Theres no amnesty, as such. There certainly can be a softening, because were not looking to hurt people. We want people we have some great people in this country. Dumps selfproclaimed softening marks a sharp deviation that his position that has defined his campaign from the beginning. His pledge to form a Deportation Force to force all 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country. But just days later, trump took a seemingly different turn, a whiplash turn, with the revelation that just kidding, his position on immigration is still just as hard as ever. Last night you talked about i dont think its a softening but 11 Million People are no longer going to be deported. I would say its a hardening. There is no path to legalization, unless people leave the country well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. Reporter trumps aversion to his previous leave and com back policy only further muddied the waters because that policy known as touchback was taken off the table by his campaign manager, kellyanne conway, earlier this week. If this has left you confused, some clarity may be forthcoming. He said in the next two weeks he would shore up, by releasing a policy he called very firm. Joining me, alfonso aguilar, president and ceo, co mar, and democratic strategist, simon rosenberg. So theresa, it has been a bit of a muddle. Dump first built his brand on build the wall you hear at the chant, and forming a tee poretation force, would essentially remove all 11 million undocumented migrants from the country. That now is was softened. He said that was something he could change. There was a backlash from the right and now im not really sure what his position is. Do you know what his position is. His position never changed. He wants to deport 11 Million People and start all over. What changed is that conway came on board and was able to give messaging points that basically made him sound less racist than he actually is. And it wasnt to attract the american latino community, because everybody right now in the latino community, for the most part, is living under fear. The amount of anguish that were hearing even from parents is very real. But he basically wants to make sure the independent variety, the swing varie voter, the clid comfortable for Hillary Clinton wants ton an outlet to vote for trump. He is it not understand that undocumented immigrants paid 90 billion a year into the system. And one of the reasons they do so, joy, they have been informed that as theyre able to demonstrate they are paying taxes year after year, its one of the ways they can actually demonstrate they have been in this country long enough to qualify for eventually hopefully some sort of protected immigration status. And alfonso, to back up the theory that really Donald Trumps position actually hasnt changed, Katrina Pearson was on cnn and was asked if his position on immigration has changed and this is his national spokesman, Katrina Pearson, and this is what she said. He hasnt changed his position on immigration, he has changed the words oh of what he is saying. That did provoke laughter. But alfonso, essentially, the Deportation Force is still on, right . Right. And we cant sa