I came over because im young and i got a lot to offer in life. Why should i feel . The country gave me a lot to offer but you going to kill me for nothing. Good morning and welcome to am joy. Protesters gather in charlotte peacefully for a fourth night of demonstrations hours after cell phone video shows the police sheeting of Keith Lamont Scott was shot and killed. The video was caught by his widow who began recording. Its unclear what happened in the minutes before the video begins and the video does not clearly show the moment when scott was shot by police. She can be heard pleading with police not to shoot her husband telling them hes suffering from a traumatic brain injury and saying he does not have a weapon. She asks her husband to compile with Police Telling scott to quote drop the gun. Moments later four gunshots can be heard and his body is on the ground. Ron mott is with us. How do people react to the release of the video . Good mornin joy, there was concerns by officials and others in the community and maybe some we saw on wednesday night. Unfortunately, that was not the case. Last night the most peaceful night of demonstrations. No arrests, no Property Damage and all new calls now for the release of the official tapes, the dashcam and the body cameras from the Police Officers. Now, mrs. Scotts tape is certainly disturbing, that is clear. What isnt clear what the tape doesnt show, it does not show the moment she was shot by police, which is why people want to see what the Police Officers who were involved, directly involved in the shooting were looking at and seeing and hearing before they made that life and death decision to open fire on mr. Scott. There was also, joy, as you know, a lot of analysis yesterday about there not being a dark object near mr. Scotts feet when he was on the ground after being shot, so that has taken on a new life of its own on social media. There was also, what i found most interesting yesterday, after the release of mrs. Scotts video was a little bit of government finger pointing. The mayor a couple hours after the scott video was released made a statement saying she would hope the sbi, the state burro of investigation, which is now lead thing investigation would quickly release this information to the public. Couple of hours after that the sbi came back and said well in effect, its not our job here to release the tapes, we just have copies of it for our purposes of covering this investigation. The originals are still with the Charlotte Police department and in the custody of the city of charlotte as it were. A Little Finger pointing going on there now. No one really knows when these tapes may be released but seems almost inevitable they will be released and if the families both and government believe that the shooting itself captured on those dashcam and body cameras is ambiguous, its anyones guess how this will be received by the community. Joy . Thank you so much. Nbcs ron maotmott, thank you. The cell phone video was released the day after his family was allowed to view the recording of the shooting recorded from two different angles. Three Police Officers were wearing body cameras. Officer that reportedly shot scott was not. His family called for the recordings to be released and they said from their attorneys the family is hopeful the Police Department and city of charlotte will release all available video to the public so people can draw their own conclusions about keiths death. The Police Official haves decided against releasing the footage siting concerns about protecting the integrity of the investigation and very soon that decision may be out of their hands or may have run out the clock, depending on your interpretation because one week from today a law will go into effect that require as judge to decide whether or not Police Body Cam footage can be public. The video may contain key evidence of contention between the family and authorities. Police scott was holding a handgun and posed a threat but scotts family attorney who watched the Police Videos said they offered no definitive proof as to whether he was armed and that its impossible to tell what, if anything, mr. Scott is holding in his hands. Joining me now by phone is president of the North Carolina naacp and reverend barber, you hopefully were able to hear ron mo motts report. There is finger pointing going on with charlotte calling for the sbi to release this videotaped information and sbi saying no, thats for the Police Department and the city of charlotte to do. What do you understand is the pa facts of who has the authority to release this video, if anyone . Well, let me first say, joy, thank you for your reporting and also to say that the clergy and the youth and all have been working together in charlotte and when it comes to the violence, i want to be very clear on that. 99. 99 of the people have protested nonviolent justice or protest. There is anger and stress and distrust but they are choosing to do it in a way that reflects that anger but is not mad and with violence and i want to applaud that. Now, on the tapes, we have called on the governor, the a. G. , the mayor, the sbi, the prosecutor, the city counsel to unite together and release these tapes. As you know, there are other tapes beginning to leak. There are tapes beginning to leak, and the it can be done. We the problem is we have a governor who has signed a law opposing releasing these videos. We have an attorney general who said that ought to be released. The mayor is saying it ought to be released. The citizens and the families are saying that it ought to be released. The police chief is saying it should be released and only feeds into this conspiracy, this coverup. What we now know is that there are a lot of things we didnt know that there was a plea for this mans life, that he was they were told he had a traumatic brain injury, we know now that he was shot. We know the wife said he had he was shot multiple times. His wife said he had just taken his medicine. We need transparency. What were saying is we need the tapes released and a federal investigation, joy. Because youre audience may not know this, the North Carolina legislature and governor took the sbi from under the attorney generals office. Now, they need to understand the top elected law officer no longer controls the sbi, and that is a concern in this case. And so the sbi is controlled by the governor who doesnt want the tapes to be released in the first place. That, i think, go easy to the distrust that were hearing from people not only about what happened reverend barber, you saw plenty of analysis of the video released by the wife of mr. Scott and there could have been other people with cell phone who would have recorded aspects of it, too. Are you hearing people believe there was a coverup or conspiracy by the officers or people want the information to be made public . Theres a lot of rules and in fact, i cant the clergy had to show video concerns pictures out there. There a lot of things coming over. When we talk about and another aspect on the sbi. When people say the prosecutor brought in the sbi, thats not exactly true. The law says that the family, they ask for, they have to come in. Its not as though there has been all of this attempt to have an independent investigation. There is rumor, concern, picture showing up saying something wasnt there, something was there and the only way we can have freedom from all of this is to have transparency. We know this, joy. That if that tape was conclusive, it would be would have been released. We believe that. If there was a tape that showed a black man shooting a cop and it was clear the tape would be released. Everywhere what is conclusive the tape has been released. The problem here is it only feeds the suspicion when the tape is not released and for instance, when on the first day the chief talked about it, he said a gunman but when the tapes were released, they said well, they werent conclusive. How do you make a definitive statement one day and say its not conclusive another day. A lot is going on. I know we can couldnt on you to keep an eye on it. Well hopefully be able to talk about it again. Thank you for making time for us. Reverend william barber, appreciate it. Thank you so much, joy. Thank you. I want to bring up my panel, president of the center for policing equity and judith brown and activist and artist nus newsome from North Carolina. The question of trust and whether the citizens of nk have confidence in the following entities. The police chief that made a lot of statements about this case, the mayor whose made some statements contradictory to the police chief about releasing the tapes and the state burro of investigation thats stepped in to do an investigation. In your view, do people have confidence in these entities . Hi, thank you for having me on. The short answer is no for documented and understandable reasons. I mean, this began before the killing of keith scott. We had most vent recently the kg of jonathan terrell. This year alone six have been killed by cmpd and all of them African American. There is a deep mistrust of these institutions for the reasons that reverend barber laid out. We have questions. The chief came out and made this definitive statement about it being a gunman but they say that they cant say that conclusively ter looking at the video but then they say that there is a gun that they actually recovered, then we get video from keith scotts wife, which really calls into question whether that gun was actually there or whether it was something that was planted. So again, there is this deep documented history obviously of racism in policing and brutality against black communities here in charlotte and around the nation and talking about getting an investigation and reinforced the oppression that we are experience yeing as communities color. We have no recourse, which is why one of the demands being paid by charlotte uprising is an immediate investigation of cnpd. I want to play the police chief to that point, bree, talking about the video and why its not being released. Lets listen to that. Its a matter of when and its a matter of sequence. The i were to put it out indiscriminately and doesnt give you good context, it can inflame the situation and make it worse. It will exacerbate the backlash. It will increase the distrust. So that is where disorderment, judgment and reasonableness have to come in. Phillip, when i hear a police chief say that releasing a vild owe would make things worse, that does not make me confident whats on that tape is what exonerates it. Its an odd choice of words for someone to say it will exacerbate it. What is the context you want to give for this . One of the other elements for this we were talking about and why is it it feels as if the police and the Police Counsel are working to the benefit of the officers but we dont hear as much conversation about them working for the benefit of the broad public safety. Obviously, we have Property Damage but loss of life. To that very point, you have at the same time that the police chief is saying we cant release the video because the family doesnt want it out, then the family says no release it and they say well, we cant release the video because it would inflame the situation but they did release a still image of what they say is the gun that mr. Scott, that they are claiming mr. Scott has so they are releasing some information but only information that helps them. Regardless of the intention, i think were both seeing how major city Law Enforcement that can be incredibly professional are new to how social media and media in general works because you have Police Information officer go out on television and say one thing and its over but were way past that now and i think frankly, the various steps in what seem to be missteps are eroding the public trust because it feels as if my justification for doing this keeps shifting then whatever the justification is, its not in the public trust, it is in my own interest and not willing to be transparent. Regardless of the intentions, it certainly feels that way to the folks were talking to. Judith, we do have, you know, there is case law that Police Officers are very much aware of, the grand versus conner case, the 1889 controlling case. The reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from an officer on the scene than 20 20 vision hindsight. I found a write up on a Police Magazine counseling officers how to frame a crime scene situation in which they are involve in a shooting along these lines. Why should the public trust Police Departments when officers know what to say, how to frame, how to put together the facts in such a way the officer will be exonerated almost every time . Joy, i mean, this is the core of the problem is that the public should not trust Police Officers. These Police Departments, what they are doing and in charlotte, it shows a beautiful story line for them. They are creating a narrative. They start off with framing the story from the very beginning putting out the person ahead of the police unjohn and they show a picture of an alleged gun at the scene and so they tried to sway the public and potential jury in the same way, what the public wants, what charlotte up raising wants is tell us the story. Instead of you creating the continuous lies you think we should believe. 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Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums my panel is back with me. Before we go to tulsa, i want the quickly go around the table on the question of the scene and video that was released by the wife that showed what looks like something being dropped by the scene and get your comments on that. This is the officer, you can see here in this video. He has no weapon. Dont shoot him. [ bleep ]. Dont shoot him. Dont shoot him. He didnt do anything. Right, you saw there and ill start with you, phillip. You see this something drop. This sort of took over the internet yesterday. People were talking about it. A lot of skepticism around that. When you see that, what do you see . I see a lot of questions. Right . I see that it seems to have a flop by body motion, which is a psychological term for something not one piece, maybe not a one, maybe a glove, who knows. The time lapse between when you got police tape there, thats probably a couple minutes versus when we see the still from the video, i have a lot of hard time i have a hard time deciding definitively what that is. I will tell you this however, if the state has the capacity to release the photo and the family has the capacity to release the video, this would be a good time for leaders to step up and say were not powerless, right . We have the capacity to do something because too often after these issues come up, after there is a black death, people say well, there was no way to prevent it and there is nothing to do after it. And rarely as a scientist do i say personally this is how it effects me but im exhausted from people saying black death is is inevitable and there is no remedy for it. I hear that resinating back to me in communities and Law Enforcement that feel like they can do better and feel like frankly some of the officers, they need to be held accountable. I know were going to tulsa. That needs to happen because there are a lot of good cops that say that doesnt reflect us and were tired of powerful people in the wake of so much power being displayed saying now in the wake of only black death is this inevitable and powerless. To bree who lives in North Carolina, is that the sense, i wish somebody would do something. We cant do anything . Absolutely. Clearly they are picking and choosing when they have authority. They make it clear they have authority to say when we can and cannot be outside in Public Places protesting but they dont have authority to release the tapes but they cant release the tapes, so its i mean, it definitely is picking and choosing when they came to have authority and choose to not have authority and that goes hand and hand with having immense power and no accountability. That leads to corruption. It has to be knowledgunti acknoe commit murder. Its not necessarily all mall lace but im sure there are instances Police Officers mistake objects for guns and an officer in st. Louis planted a gun on someone and there are instances where Police Officers willfully commit murder because Police Officers are also people who wear uniforms and makes absolutely no sense for anyone in this nation, any citizen to operate with that much power and absolutely no system of accountability or oversight. Yjudith, that seems to be th case. You have the walter scott case in charleston where you have the former officer is charged with murdering walter scott but dropped a gun. You saw it on the videotape from a citizen. Are we in a situation where the laws are not adequate who can in fact commit murder . We need more protections for citizens. Right now doj, they are often hands are tied in so many investigations because the civil rights law only covers when an officer engaged intentional acts of depriving people of civil rights