After House Republicans voted to take away health care from up to 24 million americans and raise premiums on seniors. After they voted to leave it up to the states to decide whether preexisting conditions can be covered. After they voted to block medicaid recipients from getting care at planned parenthood clinics. After they voted to cut deadl 8 billion to medicaid, poor, elder and disabled. All that plus a tax cut of approximately 200,000 each to the wealthiest. 1 of americans. It was a celebration. Meanwhile, this is how protesters greeted congressman on the way to the rose garden beer party. Shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you shame on you . 217 members of congress, all republicans, voted for this bill. These are their names. Here at am joy my tireless producers reached out to each and every one of them to ask us to join them today. I orvffered each of them the le spot on this show to go oneonone with me to explain why they voted on the bill and not a single one agreed. There they are. All the names. 217 people, not a taker, not a one. A ha, such bravery. Joining me joan walsh National Affairs correspondent at the nation, democratic strategist pierre, perry bacon jr. And ed helmsmare. It falls to you, i hope i havent mangled your name. Since we couldnt get a single one, we literally had the producers on the show ask every single one of the 217 republicans to justify a vote they cheered for, were proud of it, not one would come on and justify the vote. Can you explain why it makes sense to cut a billion dollars out of medicaid to give a tax cut to wealthy and how that is health care reform. The first problem is thats not what the bill is doing. The thing thats going on here that people have to focus on, 25 to 27 million americans who buy coverage in the individual market or have small employer plans. They get no subsidies from obamacare and they have seen their premiums go through the roof, their insurance carnes he would, access to homts and doctors you circumscribed, insurers leaving. Wead report a third insurer the other day may be leaving iowa. Those people have no choice of insurance, no ability to get will insurance. That has been Affordable Care act or obamacare, thats the constituency that elected President Trump and these republicans to repeal and replace the law. And thats the constituency they are responding to. They are looking to find ways to bring the cost of coverage do you think for those people to enable them to continue to get health insurance. The problem we have with the Affordable Care act is before the election in october, as you saw those premium increases, this law was starting on the brink of unin suring the insured. Thats what they are trying to fix. The characterizations im hearing on this channel and elsewhere is completely off the mark. Im glad you made that reported. I think its an important point. Republicans are responding to specific constituency, people in the individual market, which tend to be smaller business owners, more affluent people. Vox. Com put winners and losers. Rich people win because they get a massive tax cut of a trillion dollars. Insurance companies go in because they go out of Community Rating. They can charge people more based on their age and Health Status and Drug Companies because they are unfettered by the law. The loser, the poor, the elderly and the sick. Perry, it disls strike me they arent the constituency they are listening to because they dont vote for republicans. They respond to affluent, wanted a tax break, wanted money back, and the people who are not their constituents are the elderly, the poor and the sick. Right . Right. We had this cbo report. There was small changes in the bill last week. We had this cbo report and what it tells you is 14 Million People will be off medicaid, program for low income people and 24 million will lose insurance compared to whats under aca now. So i would say the report does suggest some people, particularly if youre young, your healthy, and youre upper income, youll have lower premium. It does redistrict effect of sorts. The net, i disagree with the panelist, the net of the cbo, more people will be uninsured in this program, the cbo says 24 million. The net, even if you have some in the individual market getting cheaper insurance, the net of the whole thing is more people uninsured than before. Youre talking about a law basically insured by 20 million and now a new law that would take away from 24. Thats the overall look at the law. I was pronouncing your name wrong, hopefully that is correct. You look at the chart of the 2. 2 Million People currently in the individual market but have preexisting conditions. The ahca high risk pools, which is what they would throw people into rather than have subsidies would cover 110,000 people. 5 of the pple currently insured using aca in the individual market youre talking about, only 5 of them would have insurance because they have preexisting conditions. Thats a particularly misleading piece. I saw it the other day. I havent had a chance to write about how grossly misleading. How is that misleading. Because under prior law, obamacare, aca, and under what the house bill just passed, those people who have insurance would not be affected. This does not take away preexisting conditions exclusions from anybody what it says, in the very limited circumstances if you have not had previous coverage, if you dont have coverage, youre just waiting until youre sick to buy coverage, then, and only then, can the insurance charge you more based on the real cost. This is one of the big problems weve had with the health law, aca, it has encouraged people to wait until they are sick to then buy coverage and that is disrupting the entire market and driving costs up. So people who have preexisting conditions now, just as the case with employer provided insurance before obamacare was passed, this is not an issue, this is not a problem. To say hold on, hold on. Everybody theres 20 Million People living on the coast of florida and they will all die if theres a hurricane. Thats not what were saying. By the way, first of all, im glad you referenced before, before, joan, there was obamacare. What hes saying is it was better, we should go back you said this was not a problem because before obamacare Insurance Companies could charge people significantly more if they attempted to enter the market with preexisting condition and that is what the law does. No. I want to let joan in on this. Two things we know will happen if its signed into law. Number one, states would have an option to get a waiver saying they no longer have to supply this baseline. They can get out of that. Also allow Insurance Companies to get out from under Community Rating meaning they can charge a senior five times more and charge them with preexisting conditions more. Mo brooks put this in more simple terms. This is mo brooks on cnn explaininghat that means. They will allow Insurance Companies to require people who have Higher Health care costs to tribute more to the insurance pool that helps offset all these costs there by reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, are healthy, they have done the things to keep their bodies healthy. Right now those are the people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing b skyrocketing. Every law chooses winners and losers. What a law is. Republicans are saying the winners should be in mo brooks words people who live good lives and healthy and unhealthy with preexisting conditions should pay more. They are admitting sick people should pay more. And they brought it on themselves. Tell that to cancer survivors, young cancer survivors. It brought insight into the mindset of the bill. I want to describe a couple of things. In the beginning you said its going take 880 billion from medicaid to give a big tax cut to the top. 1 . And our friend ed said, no, thats not what it does. It actually does do that, ed. You focused on other things it does. Thats not all it does. We have to get a baseline established. It does do that. The other argument here, i guess i would also say, im not sure, joy, this is not going to affect Donald Trumps base. Because as perry was pointing out, the first cbo score showed that a 64yearold making 25 or 30,000 a year is going to see his or her premiums jump by 10,000, their out of pocket Prescription Drug costs jump by 9,000 or so. So those are the people. Its true for people who are 50 to 64, those people are hurt the worst. If you look at maps of where the subsidies have been going, it looks like a map of Donald Trumps strength. Especially pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. Remember, the south did not take the Medicaid Expansion by and large, which would be phased out. That would be gone by 2017. That is in the bill. Phase out Medicaid Expansions. If youre between the poverty rate. To the point just made, if you go through and look at estimated premium surcharge for somebody who is 40 years old with any of the following preexisting conditions, center for American Progress looked at how much they would pay. Met static cancer, Breast Cancer will, 42,650. Lung cancer and other severe cancers, 72,000. Rheumatoid arthritis. You know how many people suffer from that. Drug dependence, donald trump said was important. 20,000. They phase out drug control office. Heart failure, 18,000. All the way down. Diabetes, autism, pregnancy. Its inarguable a lot of people who voted for donald trump are going to pay more. Thats exactly right. Im sorry to hear about your mom, joy. Look, the republicans took a bill that was 17 Approval Rating and managed to make it even more unpopular. They gutted and took out the most important popular parts of obamacare like those essential benefits for Maternity Leave and Everything Else people really truly cared about, taking preexisting care to folks who need insurance. Then they did that and then they went and voted for something they didnt read. They didnt take a look at, look at new cbo score. Then they get on the bus like a bunch of third graders to the white house for a school trip and take a shockingly all white photoop with the president who has a really low Approval Rating for what, a bill dead on arrival at the senate, a bill that will never become law. Its just really unfathomable. Not only that, theres going to be textbooks written, entire textbooks written on the malpractice of this week alone. So now a day after you have the independent Cook Political Report come out and move 20 house member seat to the democratic side. Why . Repuican moderates voted for this. They were the deciding factor on this bill. Im going to give the last one to ed. Presumably you read the bill hopefully. On fox news friday sapg assuyind pay more. Take a listen. Under obamacare, the older folks and sicker folks could pay three times more than younger folks. This plan its five times more. Thats going in the wrong direction. Its pricing for what the individuals Health Status is. Thats to appreciate. Somebody is going to pay for Health Coverage for american people. Is it justifying and the position, i should say, of the conservative movement and Republican Party that these two things are true, older and sicker people in your view should be charged more by Insurance Companies and thats what this bill is going to do and the wealthy, essentially, should not be paying to subsidize poor folks because they are getting a big tax cut. Youre talking about age rating provisions in obamacare. Ahca. Yes. Let me just tell you, the reality is and i published on this and actuaries have published on this. People 64 consume five times the amount of health care as somebody who is 20 years old. Now, what the aca did is say you cant charge them more than three to one. Here is what happened. Remember we were talking about before the election. There werent enough young people signing up. Why . Going five to one to three to one, they drove up premiums for young adults by 30 plus percent and decreased it for somebody 55 or over by 10 pe . If you go back there will be a slilt increase older and bring down the cost of those younger. Remember, before republicans took over, before trump took over, the big complaint aca wasnt getting enough young people. Why . They made an error in this three to one in the law and they were driving young people away from the bill. Were running out of time. I want to give perry, an admission it is winners and sers, picking young and affluent saying they should lower premiums at all costs even in sick and elderly and disabled play more. Is this something republicans feel confident running for reelection on . I dont know if they feel confident about that. This week i learned the most, no republican wants to be blamed for stopping will Obamacare Repeal. Freedom caucus wanted it off their desk, now Mitch Mcconnell has the problem and republicans in the senate. They dont want to be blamed for blocking the obamacare either. The momentum will drive the process forward, about the fact everyone knows they promised to repeal obamacare and they are going to keep trying to do it. Thats why one time in my life i will disappear, this will not become law. Wait for it. Mitch mcconnell will move heaven and earth to make something of this nature law because repeal and replace obamacare is the prime directive of the Republican Party because its got the word obama in it. Back later in the show. Im sure the fight will be epic. Thank you, ed, for being courageous enough to come on and defend the bill because none of the republicans in congress were. Will a russian hack give Marine Le Pen the presidency. Stay with us. Isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Introducing otezla, apremilast. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. 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Macron is unable to respond to the tack because the leak became hours before statutory campaigning day blackout went into account. Macrons team said hacking amounts to the same kind of destabilization attack russians pulled in the u. S. Election last year. Joining me christopher dickey, daily news editor for the daily beast. The question everyone is asking and everyone is slightly freaking out about, whether or not this hack attack would have the same effect on the French Election that it had on the u. S. Election here. No, i dont think so. For starters, its practically the dog that didnt bark here in france. Because of the blackout on campaigning, theres also a blackout on news about this. Certainly the mainstream news media are not picking up on any of the supposed revelations, which vs been pretty minor anyway. A lot of people here in france dont know this happened. Thats good news, a difference between their system and hours, this blackout idea. One of the things thats similar, a lot similar, this group fancy bear, which was the russian attacking outfit that attacked Hillary Clinton campaign, released John Podestas emails but the involvement of a couple of things. This online trolling site before midnight, someone posted links to large data taken from macrons campaign, financial data, it was only a couple days ago crude forgery reporteding macron had offshore bank account in the caribbean. 4chan, material disseminated through 4chan, gig bats of data and contents of hard drive and coworkers, political officials. But the other actor that seems to be in common is wikileaks. Wikileaks retweeted this macron leaks hashtag calling it significant, saying its not feasible to fabricate the whole thing and giving credence to it. Saying, well, its a practical joke but were examining.