Trump about a payment to playboy model Karen Mcdougal before the 2016 election. Could be a recording of a recording, were not sure yet. That they can probably determine. Youre right. We may never be able to determine that but we have determined the fact that he campered with the tape in the sense that he abruptly midconversation turned it off. Giuliani told abc news we have complained to them that Michael Cohen has violated the Attorney Client privilege publicly and privately. In a statement to nbc news, lanny davis, cohens attorney, fired back saying mr. Giuliani seems to have been confused. He expressly waived Attorney Client privilege last week and repeatedly and inaccurately as proven by the tape talked about and talked about the recording, forfeiting all confidentiality. Joining me now is timothy
bag. Loyalty in trumplandia is a oneway street. He doesnt have much loyalty towards the people around him apart from his nuclear family. Sometimes his wives but not even often with his wives. He doesnt build strong teams, he doesnt build people are authentically loyal to him. Everything is transactional. But cohen up until now cultivated this idea that he was almost like family. He had this weers oneway loyalloya fierce one way loyalty to trump. If he believed that, why did he tape him. I think these were insurance policies Michael Cohen was drawing down in case trump was throwing him under the bus which trump was trying to do. Michael cohen is not a classic attorney. He didnt go to court for donald trump. He went after Donald Trumpsaround trump are just like trump, seeking power and fame and that need for that power and fame outweighs Anything Else. Its why Rudy Giuliani was spurned, he wanted to be Secretary Of State, he thought he would be Secretary Of State. Trump not only threw him under the bus by not making him Secretary Of State but he also made comments about Rudy Giulianis appearance and Rudy Giuliani still came back and is on tv because its more about their wanting the power and fame on the platform. He was humiliated by donald trump. Was summarily tossed out of the white house. He hired anthony scaramucci. He was not treated well. Hes still out the there with a book that what we heard about it displays loyalty. Sam nunberg who was dismissed from the Trump Campaign was on Meet The Press this morning and this is what he had to say about Michael Cohen, somebody he
Indepth interviews with leading newsmakers, plus discussions with Americas preeminent political minds. Likely during the speech when he previewed the dirt that was that he was going to announce about Hillary Clinton that he was talking about the Trump Tower Meeting but at the same time he said who cares, it doesnt matter, emails were werent discussed during the meeting. I said how do you know . He said will its clear nothing came of the meeting so even if he did approve of it its not a big deal. Hes Making Excuses for the president s in a way weve seen by all of trumps allies who have been trying to discount this idea that trump approved of this meeting with the russians to get this dirt. Its interesting, michelle, because we talk a lot about the religious right sticking with donald trump through thick and thin and not caring. For them they believe he is bringing about policy that in their mind is pro conservative christian and so they dont care about Anything Else so at least some ideological reason for sticking with him no matter what. When it comes to these people, these are not ideologues, a lot
that Michael Cohen committed some horrific act, it might have been criminal conduct in releasing those tapes and they want to get to the bottom of who released the tapes. Lanny davis says he didnt release them. I believe lanny davis. I have questions about Rudy Giulianis boasts during the campaign that he had sources in the new york fbi that somehow he seemed to have really a lot of knowledge about the investigation into Hillary Clinton but well have to do that for another show. I want to come back to this as a strategic matter because if this idea of finding new loyalists, if its strategy its strange. Why would you tape things . To exculpate yourself. And cohen is not only someone who frequently taped his clients and people, he said there were other people in the room when he heard donald trump be told in advance about the trump tower
meetin meeting. All mueller has to do is bring other others. Hes gathering evidence he can present to a jury to show a fact pattern that shows culpability and willful misbehavior. We know when donald trump jr. Took the meeting in trump tower, Jared Kushner was aware of it and manafort was aware of it. They all said boo without Running Upstairs and getting their fathers approval. Thats the way the company ran. And that was a significant development. Donald trump jr. Was excited. It beggars the imagination he didnt tell his father. The other thing i think about in terms of trying to set whether its a strategy or not, you cant discount this is a highly unsophisticated ill informed morally rudderless group of
people who cant shoot straight and arent very bright and theyre now colliding off each other like pinballs. Who wins . Can i add something, joy . Im putting my lawyer hat on. From a Strategic Point of view, if you think about this in a sane manner, which is what you and the panel are doing, you dont understand what Rudy Giuliani is doing. If you put on a different hat and think to yourself his job is not to i cant believe that anyone thinks its the way to be impeached or indicted. Every statement he makes about Michael Cohen or bob mueller or comey or Hillary Clinton, this is about the president s base and getting the president reelected in 2020 and getting republicans in the house in 2016 because Donald Trumps base doesnt care about any of this. They dont care about his
infidelity or lies and they are able to sit back and say yes he hired somebody related to the clintons and hes awful and theyre out to get my man, theyre out to get our president. Thats the strategy in this. The only person people are talking about impeaching is rod rosenstein. Rod rosenstein, thats who the committee to protect the president are talking about impeaching. Thank you all. Coming up, everyday it seems were hearing more and more and more horrific stories of children separated from their families by the Trump Administrations zerotolerance Immigration Policy and the challenges they face even once theyre back together. More on that next. A hotel can make or break a trip. And at expedia, we dont think you should be rushed into booking one. Thats why we created expedias addon advantage. Now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. Addon advantage. Discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. Only when you book with expedia. Families as the Trump Administration scrambled to meet a courtordered deadline to reverse some 2500 Migrant Family Separations by this past thursday. That leaves hundreds of families still separated including more than 650 children who the Trump Administration has deemed ineligible for reunification. According to government numbers, 431 parents have been deported without their kids. And the other deal is not over, even for migrant families who have been reunited as the Trump Administration pushes to have them deported as well. Joining me are the msnbc correspondents who have been covering this story, tirelessly. Mariana atencio and jacob soboroff. 2551 total Migrant Children taken from their parents, more than 1800 reunited. A thousand already have executable deportation orders. In your reporting, what happens to a parent thats been deported. How are they supposed to get
their kids back . I have spoken to one of these parents, her name is lourdes de leone. Shes in guatemala, her son leo is six years old in a shelter in new york, they havent seen each other in two months. This mother says she thinksing she signed a document for her child to be sent back to her once his Legal Proceedings ended in the u. S. But when i spoke to her she said i wasnt sure what i was signing and shes waiting for her child to be put on a plane by i. C. E. And sent to her. Shes contacted the cannes lat, shes given i. C. E. A ticket. Shes waiting for a travel itinerary. But everyday that goes by, we were talking about this before, you remember when you were lost for a couple hours, she gets to talk to her sixyearold son once every eight days. From rural guatemala. Everyday that goes by is anguis
anguish. Friday i went down to san diego because i wanted to hear from the court itself and the administration in person whether or not the government had any plans at all to reunite what it call these ineligible kids, the 650 of them that mariana has gone to track down and that they made no commitment to in advance of the court hearing. The judge basically said you have to come up with a plan to find these 650 missing kids and ill tell you how youll have to do it. Let me say what march ishe has extraordinary, shes gone to home countries found parents that have been deported and tried to help match them up with their children. Thats the onus that ice on the aclu and ngos around this country but different count rise throughout the world where we have sent those parents back to and given them no opportunity to link back up to their kids. A judge is going to issue specific guidelines for the government to turn over to the aclu so they can locate these parents and children with as much detailed information as possible to try to put them back together. He basically called this step two. Step one was kind of like an atta boy way to go government. You put together 1440 that you said were eligible, your own basically goal line you said for yourself. But there were 2551 total not just 1440. I want to know what they mean by ineligible. How can you determine someone is not eligible to have their own kid back . Let me say clearly the kids were separated in the exact same way from those in the eligible category. They came into this country and were taken in a systematic identical way from those that were quote unquote eligible. Ineligible means maybe 430 of them that they were gone. Some may have criminal convictions. Thats part of what the judge
ordered the government turn over to the aclu. The government has been focusing on this 120 they say relinquished their rights to their children and gave up the right to go back with their kids but the aclu says clearly if you look at affidavits filed in court, not all these parents knew what they were doing. They gave away their kids and said can we have them back . Now theres no process for them to get them back. And sometimes the red flags are something as simple as a name change. I have been speaking to a mother inside the detention facility. We were one of the teams that went in there to speak with her. Shes separated, detained. I have to say its one of the most heartbreaking conversations ive had because shes in prison. I spoke to her through a glass window on a prisonlike phone and she says everyday im being told youre eligible for reunification but theres a holdup, another holdup. I spoke to her on thursday. Its sunday. Shes still in there. And shes in a detention
facility like a criminal. Its not illegal to seek asylum. Shes in a place they refer to as alpha three. So it starts to sound like a dystopian thriller here. We cant avoid what happens when we dont confront this racism and xenophobia straight on. Thats why its so important. You guys are doing the real work. I said to this mother what do you want our audience to know sunday . And she said dont forget us. I want to play a couple things. Lets listen to Kirstjen Nielsen who claimed that it is the parents fault if they dont have their kid. How can you reunite parents with their kids if theyve been deported . Well, that part is up to the parents so the parents contact us we will work with them but as you know the way the process works is the parents always have the choice to take the children
with them so these are parents who have made the decision not to bring the children with them and will continue to work with the court to understand how we can comply with the order. Do the parents always have the choice to take the children with them . Have they made the choice not to bring their Children Home . Some parents were being given signed document this is according to the aclu documents in another language, in english, made to sign documents in a room with other parents, other people, theyre in distress. This is Mental Health issue when theyre signing these documents so the aclu is saying they dont have the proper mental state, theyre not given enough Legal Consultation to know what theyre signing. I want to play very quickly jacob, this was Congresswoman Jayapal was on our show and i want to know if this is still going on. Take a listen. I will tell you families are still being separated. I went with a group of eight
members of congress and we went to the Ursula Processing Center which is the epicenter of where these kids are being separated from their parents. Thats still happening. Jacob, are Family Separations still happening . According to the judge in the ca case, he didnt present definitive statistics but he said he expects separations to continue to continue. He said for valid reasons but he says there needs to be a process to undo these separations. He made clear he expected separations to continue into the future and it was a messess right now of historic proportions that needed to have a systemic way to undo it and the last thing i want to say is one thousand of the parents, 1440 reunited with their kids
have orders or deportation right now so the aclu is basically scrambling to help them undo those orders of Deportation Nod to basically have Asylum Casesry heard if they were heard in error or if they made a fatal mistake under duress. The Deportation Rate for kids without lawyers, 88 . I went into immigration court, joy, for unaccompanied children which are the children that were separated are now deemed unaccompanied. After an hourlong proceeding, 14yearold child asked what is a lawyer . And theyre not entitled to one. And no cameras allowed so if we dont keep going there we wont know those stories. Thank god for you two. Please keep up the work, please keep coming back, were going to stay on this story because you guys are on it and making sure we know whats happening. Its horrifying. Up next, putin and the
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