Trumps niece. Im talking too freely, but you know, the change of stories, the lack of preparation, the lying, holy [ bleep ]. But hes appealing to the base what theyre doing to the kids at the border. Maryanne trump also said about her brother, all he wants to do is appeal to his base. He has no principles. None. None. And his base, i mean, my god, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this. How do democrats counterprogram the rnc . Joining me now is chief of staff to Vice President nominee Kamala Harris, Senior Adviser to the Biden Campaign and author of moving forward. It is great to see you, especially in this new role. Welcome. Thank you so much, jonathan. So good to see you as well. Thanks for having me. Thank you. So as i ask the question, how are you going to counterprogram the rnc . Are you going to do that . Usually, you know, the campaign of the other side stays dark while the other one has its convention. Well, first, let me just step back to last thursday night, what the nation saw during the Democratic Convention from joe biden. You saw a leader, you saw a president ial address. And honestly, frankly, its something we havent seen in three and a half years. You saw a leader meet the moment. Joe biden met the moment. He laid out what the crises were in this country but not just laid that out, he also offered up solutions. And something that we saw as a nation is that a joe biden and Kamala Harris ticket will aggressively tackle covid19 and also make sure that we get the economy back on track. So what were going to see in the next 72, 71 days, its the same thing from donald trump that weve seen before, someone who is going to not really speak to the severity of covid19, hes not going to talk about the economy. I mean, he probably wont even mention covid19, to be quite honest. Meanwhile, more than 170,000 americans have died. And this is it, this is donald trump. Hes someone who is going to sit on his hands and do absolutely nothing. So thats what were going to see. We are going to continue to remind the American People that joe biden and Kamala Harris are ready to lead, as we saw last week, and we also saw their enthusiasm for that ticket in the past 10 days. And the American People want change. Thats what they want, and theyre ready for change. But, karine, i want to go back to my original question. I get what youre doing in the next 70 days, but when it comes to the next four days of the Republican Convention, does the biden harris ticket plan to counterprogram, go toe to toe with the Trump Convention as it rolls out . I think were going to be doing what weve been doing, showing contrast. Showing contrast as to what the Donald Trump Campaign or Donald Trump Administration has not done, has not been leaders, has historically in governing has failed governing, but how joe bid sk biden and Kamala Harris are going to be leaders in this moment. They are going to be laying out their plans as joe biden has been doing in the last couple months. This is what the American People want. They want compassion and empathy to come back to the white house. I think thats what we laid out the last couple of days during last week of the convention. Were just going to continue doing that. Were going to continue to show the contrast and speak to the American People. That is our plan. Do you worry, though . Word has come out that the president plans to speak every night of the Convention Next week. Given what you were talking about in terms of making the contrast, are you worried that the biden harris ticket wont be able to break through because not only is the president at his own convention, but hes going to use every night to speak directly to the American People . Look, i think the reason why donald trump is going to be at his convention every night is because he doesnt really have the unifying message that we had. Its not surprising this is what he does. He likes to show this reality tv of himself, of a presidency, and doesnt have really many people to come out and speak on his behalf to validate his presidency. He hasnt even laid out what hes going to do the next four years if he were to get reelected. If you look at our convention, it was diverse. We talked about real issues that matter to the American People. You saw energy. As you mentioned at the top of the show, you saw republicans, democrats, progressives, and thats what our convention was about. It was about uniting america. Thats not what donald trump is going to do. As we know, its going to be hatefilled, its going to be division. Thats all he knows. That is the playbook that he has had since 2016, so theres not going to be anything new there. Its going to be actually the same old, same old, same old. How do you bring the country together . Thats what americans want to hear. How are you actually going to bring about change . Thats what americans want to hear. Hes not going to do that. What were going to do is the job weve been doing the last couple of months, which is continue to show the contrast, continue to call him out on his lack of leadership, especially with covid19 and the economy. One thing, the abc news ipsos poll that has come out shows that the convention seems to have worked, at least, in the responding to this poll. Vice president biden, the democratic nominee, has jumped five points since the last pol , at 45 , and the same thing holds true for the Vice President ial nominee Kamala Harris who was at 35 in the last poll and is now up to 41 . Can you keep that momentum going when the rnc is next week and the cavalcade of hate were going to see in the next four days . Look, jonathan, the energy we have seen with the biden harris ticket has been tremendous. In the first 48 hours after joe biden named Kamala Harris, we raised 48 million in 48 hours. That is tremendous. The energy is there. And we are so proud to see this ticket and what theyre laying out for the future. And so thats what we have on our side. We have energy, we have enthusiasm. And another thing, just looking at the numbers for a second, we were able the campaign was able to catch up from 100 million gap that we saw with cash on hand, and what we have been able to do is that because of that, were able to put the Trump Campaign on defense in states that they won in 2016. Now, i want to be clear, were not going to take this for granted. Were going to continue to fight, were going to reach out to key constituencies, we have to continue to build that coalition, its going to take everything to win, but we feel really good about how we look as a Campaign Going into september. And the convention brought people together. All you had to do was watch it last week and you saw the energy and the diversity that came together, and you saw a president , as i said at the beginning, Vice President joe biden, lay out what his vision is for the country. You saw Kamala Harris lay out what their vision, their shared values was for the country. Thats what americans want. They want change. They want out of this mess that donald trump has put us in. Karine, two things before you go, were running out of time. One, you mentioned the 48 million raised since Kamala Harris was named on the ticket, but also since the convention, the ticket has raised 70 million, so that gets to the point you were making about how you closed the monetary gap with the president. I want to show this clip real quickly from the interview that the ticket did with abc and have you talk about it briefly on the other side. President trump has referred to you as nasty, a sort of madwoman, a disaster, the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful of anybody in the u. S. Senate. How do you define what you hear from the president . Listen, i really i think that there is so much about what comes out of Donald Trumps mouth that is designed to distract the American People from what he is doing every day that is about neglect, negligence and harm to the American People. And incompetence. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, karine, real quickly, the mysogeny in that comment from the president coupled with the racism weve already heard come from this president , how are you going to deal with that in the 71 days Going Forward . Let me first say that senator harris answered that question with such tact and grace. Also, we have to learn from listening to the person who said that, right, which is donald trump who, as you said, disregards women of color, he disregards black people, people of color. This is what he does. And, honestly, whats nasty about all of this is his record, his record on the Global Pandemic to the economy, and what he has lacked the ability to do is to lead. And that is this is what he does, right . Its an old playbook, but this time around it is not working because we saw it in 2016. This is what hes going to continue to do, but the polling shows the American Public is not happy. They are tired, especially of his leadership on covid19, and now we just have to continue to lay that out, lay out that contrast, speak to the American People and do our jobs that we are doing as a campaign in building that coalition and, like i said, speaking to those key constituencies. Karine jeanpierre, thank you for being on the show. I know this will not be your last time on the show. Thank you very much. Nice to see you. Thanks to you. Coming up, the latest on the post Office Scandal and the shock be number of votes that have already been rejected this year. 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Thank you both for joining me this morning. You sent out a tweet about a hearing that the congressional caucus had last week about the Postal Service. You wrote, our hearing on the sabotage of usps was stunning. It revealed the blatant corruption of this administration and their complete disregard for our democracy. It demonstrated that theyll always put their power and profits over the ingwithbeing of people. There will be accountability. What question do you want the postmaster general dejoy to answer . This included a hearing of david williams, who is the former Inspector General of the usps also on the board of governors. I believe he was the vice chair of the board of governors of the Postal Service. He was appointed by trump, and he has served multiple administrations over the past couple decades. What he said was, number one, he was in the room for dejoys job interview. He could not understand how this job could have been given to dejoy who did not have the experience. He said that other people in the room were putting the answers into dejoys mouth because he didnt know the answers. He had a tiny bit of very narrow logistics experience, but it was insufficient to actually get the job. Hes a mega donor to donald trump and he has enormous amounts of stock in companies that benefit from the privatizing of the Postal Service. So this is corruption through and through. And he pointed out that the Postal Service is a 250yearold organization. Dejoy was on the job for five weeks and started implementing these sweeping changes, and hes obviously implementing the agenda of this president. So on every account from the mail sorting machines being taken out to the slowing of mail to the denial of overtime to postal workers so they can deliver ballots, this is an enormous corruption of our democracy. Congressman jayapal, you mentioned sweeping changes. I want to play this clip of dejoy before the senate on friday. Take a listen. Are you limiting overtime, or is that being suspended right now and people will work overtime if necessary to move the mail out every single day . Senator, we never eliminated overtime. Its been curtailed significantly, is what i understand. Its not been curtailed by me or the leadership team. Will you be bringing back any mail sorting machines that have been removed since you became postmaster general . Will any of those come back . There is no intention to do that. They are not needed, sir. Congresswoman jayapal, i would see tweets from the president saying, quote, unquote, the postmaster is lying. From everything youve seen about the postmaster, do you think he was lying or telling the truth about anything last week . I didnt see the whole testimony, so maybe there was one small area where he was telling the truth, but he was certainly lying or is incompetent to be running the post office. Either one is unacceptable. The reality is we had almost half of our sorting machines in the seattletacoma area removed, almost half. Now postal workers are starting to put some of them back on their own because theyre so outraged. And the idea that he is not occcurtailing overtime is absolutely not true. Someone in that service is curtailing overtime, and i think he lied before the committee. Its inconceivable that these changes would be happening without direction from the top. And weve seen this over and over again, jonathan, where people in the Trump Administration just lie. They come out and they lie, and the only reason is they have personal corrupt interests at stake and its all about making money for themselves. And lets not forget that dejoy made a max contribution to Kevin Mccarthy just before he was appointed. He is a he is just an emissary of the president to do whatever the president wants, and the president has already told us that what he wants to do is make sure that nobody can vote by mail, even though it is so safe and the mit study, as i said in my hearing with bill barr, has shown that over the past 20 years, over 250 million mailin ballots have been sent in, and the fraud rate i is. 0006 , so extremely safe and necessary in a pandemic. Vanita, let me bring you into this conversation, and on that point about the safety of mailin voting, but i want you to react from that story by npr about the high numbers of absentee ballots that have been rejected so far. Yeah, so there is a the npr story is obviously deeply concerning, but the good news is that the primaries were a wakeup call for Election Officials around the country, and since the primaries, a number of states have adjusted their rules, mostly through litigation and litigation remains very alive. But states like georgia and florida and iowa have changed the rules by which signature mismatching laws can prevent people from having their absentee ballots counted. So one of the key things, though, is that voters are empowered to be able to track their ballots in the states. Its why everyone across the board is saying vote early. Get your absentee ballot early, get it now, fill it out carefully, check it twice and then send it back the way your state requires. Go to vote. Org. It explains all the different ways in each state that you can do this. Voters should actually feel empowered to track their ballot and make sure it has been received and counted. Then in the worstcase scenario, if they are unable to track it this way, then vote early in person. So the message, the key message here is vote early. There are a lot of advocates and lawyers that are working to make sure every single ballot is counted and working to make sure that states actually ensure that we dont see these high numbers of rejected absentee ballots which predominantly hit folks of color. But Voter Empowerment in this election is perhaps more important than ever, and voting early is going to be a key component of success for this election. Vanita, youve given great advice t