The day and stay home at night to avoid the risk of danger. This after relatively peaceful protests monday night marred by explosion of violence as the midnight hour approached. Clashes between police and people officials describe as outside instigators exploiting the crisis. 78 people arrested, some protesters threw rocks at Msnbcs Chris Hayes and craig melville. We have been out here since the live show at 7 00 p. M. Central. And whoa. Hey, hey, hey, hey watch out, chris. You know what . Protesters chucking rocks at us. Lets go not the true story. We are telling the true story. People are angry, man. Theyre really angry. Let them know whats going on. Were trying to. Few rocks chucked at us. Were fine. Were fine. Were fine. Craig melvin joins me now where hes returned from a ridealong with Chief Johnson and Gabe Gutierrez. Craig, first to you. We saw you doing, running interference and protecting chris hayes your anchor buddy there last night. What a scene. The anger boiling over. What did you learn from riding the streets today just now with captain johnson . Reporter we spent about 90 minutes with captain johnson riding through neighborhoods here in ferguson. We stopped at a number of businesses, as well. We talked to some Business Owners and we talked to some folks that live in some of the neighborhoods. At the businesses, andrea, captain johnson took us to businesses that had been boarded up. Businesses that had been vandalized and a few cases on multiple occasions. We saw some video at one of those Convenience Stores of 40, 50 young people in masks shooting at the window, trying to shoot the lock open. Eventually taking the trash cans, knocking through the windows, stealing cigarettes and liquor and candy and did Business Owner with tears in the eyes begging captain johnson to restore peace and order. One of the captains biggest points, biggest qualms has been from the beginning, you have two different groups. You have the Peaceful Protesters and then you have this criminal element that you just mentioned in the open, the criminal element that lots of other folks are talking about now that come out at night and have absolutely no interest in honoring the life of the 18yearold young man who was shot here. But who are more interested in raising holy hell and stealing stuff. And the Business Owner talked about that. And captain johnson pledged to continue to protect businesses. One of as you know, one of the chief complaints against the Law Enforcement presence here in general has been the use of teargas. The use of the rubber pellets early on. The use of the stun gun flashes, as well. The gun flashes. He said, he said, craig, the alternative is gun fire. He said, i understand that teargas is indiscriminate and women and children and journalists including myself have experienced the effects. The alternative to that is really nothing. Its like thats the only way weve been able to move the folks out of the streets at night. And it was very interesting because we were in a neighborhood, a guy walks up to us holding a teargas container in his hand. Hes like, captain johnson, this is what happened in my neighborhood last night. What gives . And captain johnson explained it to him the same way he explained it to me and, andrea, six or seven people gathered and who by the end of the explanation understood and accepted it. We spent a fair amount of time listening to a woman tell captain johnson that every night around 1 00 or 2 00 a. M. After they flush everyone off this main drag, theyre flushing them into the neighborhoods, and a lot of folks are essentially getting trapped in the neighborhoods. We are talking, you know, dozens of young people for about two or three hour who is are trapped in the neighborhoods and this woman said, for three or four hours she and the kids, they cant sleep, commotion for that time. Police sirens are wailing. Everyones scared. Shes trapped in her own home. What can she do . What can i do, captain johnson . He didnt have much of an answer for her but she did thank him, she thanked him for trying to restore peace, trying to keep the calm here. In ferguson. It was very interesting, as well, andrea, really quickly here. At the end of the interview, captain johnson, they were we were still in the same neighborhood talking to this woman and he said that one of the things these people are doing, the criminal element he talks about is going into the neighborhoods and theyre hiding guns. And he said last night one of the reasons it took so long to secure the main drag here is because they go into the neighborhoods and they hear people saying, red rover, red rover, send your best cop over. His complaint his concern now is that these criminal elements are trying to bait officers into the neighborhoods this is something we dont typically see during the daytime. That was actually just an ambulance. No cop cars behind it. But captain johnson says, you know, now theyre trying to bait cops. They want us to fire back. Theyre trying to start fire fights in these neighborhoods. But again, just about 90 minutes with captain johnson, very fascinating, eye opening and said theyll make changes to patrolling tonight. We dont know what those changes are going to be. We expect to learn more about that specifically over the next couple of hours. And craig, hang on a moment. I want to ask you about that. It seemed to those of us watching last night that the police were established lines, keeping the protesters moving. They were creating what some critics have said was basically a curfew in place. And that aside from the outside instigators and the rest, they were creating some of the problems that led to the teargassing, the dispersal was in some ways perhaps not warranted. Let me get to the arrest situation if you could hang for a second and go to Gabe Gutierrez at the county jail. Gabe, what are you being told there as to why people were arrested . Reporter hi there, andrea. We left the st. Louis county jail and got a list of the people arrested overnight in ferguson and brought to that jail. This is total of 78 from overnight. Thats late last night and into the morning. The majority are from missouri, five are from the new york area, three are from chicago and three are from california. Most are charged with refusal to disperse, two of them charged with unlawful use of a weapon. One was charged with interfering with an officer. We spoke with about five or six of them as they were leaving the jail over the past few hours. They did not post bail. They were just let go. Most of them disagree with captain johnsons assessment of problems by out of towners last night. They say that they blame this more on the police, although captain johnson did say that there was this criminal element as craig mentioned and that they were the ones instigating and kind of provoking the officers but the people we spoke with arrested last night, they disagree with that, andrea. Craig, you were there, as well, last night. In terms of the rules that the police laid down, do you think that that contributed to the crowd problems that then they feel, the police feel required the use of teargas . Reporter its an interesting question, andrea. I dont have an answer but, you know, it does seem as if, you know, every day theres a rules change of some sort and heretofore, nothing has worked. Lift the curfew. Didnt work last night, obviously. They called in the National Guard. That really didnt seem to have a measurable impact last night. The rain started. Cooler tonight and expecting severe weather. I asked captain johnson whether he thought that might help them. He said he didnt know but that would only mask it. One of the things that everyone has really been in agreement on, everyone that ive talked to, all the Peaceful Protesters, some of the folks i talked to who did not appear to be here protesting thats the same ambulance back in the other direction. No Law Enforcement accompanying it. All of them have said the same thing. If there were charges filed against the Police Officer responsible for the shooting, if he was indicted, captain johnson said this, as well, theyre fairly confident that the streets would be pretty close to empty shortly thereafter. Everyones in universal agreement on that point. Craig melvin, thank you so much and Gabe Gutierrez at the county jail. Joining me now is reverend al sharpton. Reverend al, you were just in ferguson. You met with Michael Browns parents. They have said that they need to see some justice for their son before things are going to quiet down. Why is it taking so long . Well, that is the question. The family is asking that is the question that many people are asking. You make arrest, andrea, on probable cause. You dont prove the case and come out innocent or guilty in order to make an arrest. And it seems by all of the legal experts that i have talked to and that the lawyers that advising the family that theres more than probable cause here. Clearly, you have a young man dead who was unarmed that was killed by this policeman that clearly was not operating under the threat of a life extenuating circumstance because the young man was unarmed in a tshirt, short pants and flip flops and no way the officer thought he was armed and dealing with multiple bullets. I think that part of what is xser baiting the tension is if theres no probable cause, if there was no real legal reason to say there should be a movement forward, then people could understand it. People dont understand absent a Police Report going public or some other explanation why this hasnt proceeded and in many ways i think the authorities kpt have it both ways. You cant say were not putting out a Police Report and other things and not going to tell you why probable cause is not enough. Theyre going to have to decide one way or another and thats i think reasonable for the family to raise that. And this that doesnt seem to what happened last friday when they put out that other report about the what supposedly happened at the Convenience Store and still not giving any details about the confrontation that led to Michael Browns death. You know, the autopsy report, the privately commissioned autopsy report of the family was so instructive. Obviously, incomplete. Dr. Badden said it was incomplete and saw two shots to the head, one fatal. And that raised so many questions and now eric holder requiring and ordering a federal autopsy, a third autopsy so clearly he wants to be satisfied, as well. I wanted to play a little bit of Michael Browns mother with matt lauer on whether or not the protests having turned violent are going to distract the family and those who want answers from their cause. It is a distraction but we wont let it distract us to the point where we lose focus. We have to remain focused and we have to remain strong and the violence needs to stop. When justice is prevailed then maybe theyll regain their trust in the locals but right now its really out of control. Well, you know go ahead. When i was first asked by the grandfather, hours after it happened, to come in, i went in at the invitation of the grandfather and i met with the mother and i met with the father and they said we really just want justice. We really want this to move forward in a way that theyve known that we worked down through the years. But then, they were the ones that said we want a press conference and call for an end to the violence and we went in front of the courthouse. So i went for the purpose of trying to deal with justice and because they wanted someone to stand with them that they felt had National Reputation and say that this is a disservice to their son. And what it does, i have a moral commitment toward nonviolence coming out of my own background in terms of civil rights but even those that dont believe in nonviolence, strategically if theyre trying to accuse the victim of being violent and reckless and trying to get a policemans gun, how do you pose as reckless and violent yourself and think that theyre not going to transfer to the victim . So that is why many people are being very suspect as some of the provocateurs in the crowd because they in many ways desecrating the image the family trying to give of their son and i think it is a distraction from the cause of justice, however this goes, we need to have a solution that america can solve policing as a problem and owe it to the family to be able to mourn and bury their son without him being projected as some impetus toward violence rather than a reason to look at policing in this country. And as i just want to add that the prosecutor on Staten Island convening a grand jury in the death of eric garner. Yes. The local prosecutor has. The family and the community has asked for the fralt government to step in there and let me announce for the first time with you, andrea, we have a meeting with the u. S. Attorney loretta lynch, the family and Community Leaders on thursday 3 00. It will his announcement today in no way will deter us from in that meeting pressing for federal intervention. Thanks for clarifying that. Thats important information. Reverend al sharpton, of course, much more from reverend al today on his own program coming up later today. Thank you, reverend al. Thank you. And much more ahead from ferguson this hour including the Community Response to looting and violence. Stay with us. Did you know, your eyes can lose vital nutrients as you age . [ male announcer ] thats why theres ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. Ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. Ocuvite. Help protect your eye health. But you may not know were a family. Ocuvite. 12 brands. More hotels than anyone else in the world. Like days inn, where you can do everything under the sun. For a chance to win one million dollars, visit wyndhamrewards. Com thats keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. 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Our kids cannot stay in their bed for months and not go to school. Our officers cant come out here for months and put their lives in danger. Peaceful protests cant put their lives in danger. These homeowners cannot be uncomfortable sleepg in the homes warning if a stray bullet will come in the home. We have to let the legal system work itself out and thats what makes up on country great. Captain ron johnson on the daily run down today with craig melvin. Ten days after the critical shooting, a look at why the community was under the surface ready to explode. Joining me is liz brown, columnist of st. Louis american and thanks very much, liz. Good the see you again. Good to be here. Lets talk about what happened here. Just in the last hour, this was the mayor of ferguson, james noels, talking to our own tamron hall. There is not a racial divide in the city. According to whom . Your perspective or africanamericans in your community . That is the perspective of all residents in our city. Absolutely. The vast majority of my community and i mean i put that number in the 95th percentile is supportive of what we have been doing and what were going to do to go forward. Liz, i got to just got to wonder, you have a white mayor, white council, White School Board and white police force. Are they in complete denial aft reports hearing from the community that there is longstanding resentment and Police Harassment and other indignities against the Africanamerican Community . Its stunning and confirming. It demonstrates what happens when you have an elected person in office, well, actually, he ran unopposed. He is the mayor of ferguson. You have to wonder about the disengagement that leads to that. It underscores the concerns and the argument that is are being made about how africanamerican people are being treated. Theyre invisible to him. I mean, if you are a mayor of a city that is almost 70 africanamerican and youre saying that the things that africanamericans people are articulating are of no value or to be dismissed or untrue, because those are the only choices to be made when you hear a mayor say that. And it is it is deeply, deeply and profoundly problematic. Again, it underscores the concerns that people have had. This mayor is disconnected to the reality of his community and at what cost . Were seeing the cost to that. Now, a lot of frustration is being expressed by people in the news media, by people on the streets at the lack of transparency, the lack of information about the circumstances of this shooting. Is that unrealistic . Do they need to do more, you know, more investigating, put aside what the police did put out on friday which everyone above and beyond that local police chief believes was a big distake and led to a renewal of the violence but do they need this much time before giving the basic information of an autopsy report . There again is the challenge. We have a Police Department thats almost cosigning on the mayors observation of disengagement from our from the ferguson community. Of course, it does not take this much time. Im a former criminal defense attorney. I know how long it takes for some