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Of course, those redactions will be the subject of some conversation for days to come. And kristin welker, the white house has been planning on this, bracing for it, preparing for it, getting ready to rebut it but have prebutted it as the president followed the guidelines the summary that william barr put out saying he is fully exonerateexonerated. Reporter they say this is case closed. In speaking to the president s outside legal team, white house officials here continue to really try to push that narrative. We know that the president s legal team will be meeting today as they try to determine how they plan to respond. I wouldnt be surprised if the response we saw here mirrored what we saw after barr put out the initial fourpage statement essentially they will put out some type of a statement. I wouldnt be surprised if you saw top officials come to the cameras to try to make the case. The devil is going to be in the details. Of course, mueller did not come to the determination about the issue of obstruction. You know there will be a lot of focus on that section. What specifically does mueller have to say around gnat issutha what will the reaction be from democrats. We know they want to see the full report. They are calling for that, saying that congress has the authority to be able to see the full report in its unredacted version. So those battles are only going to escalate after the report comes out on thursday. And stay with us. Joining us, as well, former fbi assistant director in the Counter Intelligence division, msnbc political analyst phil rucker and Bloomberg News white house correspondent. First to you, as to the way the white house is preparing for this and the way the president has already declared victory over Robert Mueller. Its been a premature celebration because there could be much more nuanced details that emerge in the report. The president has been trying to say no collusion, no obstruction, total exoneration. We know its not a total exoneration. Well see how they end up spinning it. There is going to be a full effort by the president , his white house aides, his legal team to try to create that headline that the president did nothing wrong and keep this moving forward. We even saw Sarah Sanders try to carry that message. William barr who went through a somewhat contentious confirmation hearing because of the legal opinion he had offered back in june almost a year ago and at the same time coming forward with what he called four points. He denied that they were summaries. How much will he and his Decision Making be driving all of this in terms of the redactions . Well, heap is literally in the drivers seat here. We should be looking back at his statements that give us a clue as to what were in for. He has used the phrase, this first pass in reference to what he is going to first give congress. That implies this will not be a good faith first effort. He is prepped for a kind of battle of back and forth negotiations. Lets look for what percentage of the socalled 400page report has actual redaction through it. Experts have been saying look for anywhere from 50 to 70 to be redacted. I will be kaeenly focussed on ay evident of intentions. Will we see a memo, a legal brief from a report that says i think this should go to congress . Im looking for that as we flip through the pages on thursday. Im going to ask you about that. He had said that the mueller team, the special counsels office was working with him on the redactions. To what degree was Robert Mueller himself involved, if at all . Well, we know this from barrs testimony. He was anded recently on the hill does mueller agree with your conclusion on obstruction . He kind of dismissively said i dont know. Now, that kind of cavalier attitude to me seems to message that he is not really particularly interested in mueller or he is dismayed that mueller didnt make a final call. I would not expect that he was heavily involved directly but a staff member is there for Technical Expertise on whether something is classified or not. I dont sense a warm Collaborative Team working together here. And the politics of all of this, the timing of all of this, we had thought that it could be as early as today if not tomorrow. Now were hearing it is going to be thursday. Thursday is end of holy week, the day before good friday, obviously. A lot of people oare on spring break. Congress is on recess. They are putting this release as late as possible before easter weekend when they might get the least amount of attention. There was an expectation that the president would be traveling to maralago where he spends the Easter Holiday and good friday is a government holiday. I know there have been many times we have gotten a sense that this is coming and pretty much the entire process, slipping from tuesday to thursday almost seems to fit a pattern. To this political point of the president trying to set the narrative, he has had this running start out there. Now if in these 400 pages it is more nuanced than total exoneration and no collusion which we have a sense there will be, there are 2,800 subpoenas, so we know there is going to be a lot of information. I would say barr even gave us hints in his letter saying things like most of the insta e instances of obstruction is out there. There could be more we dont know of saying there are multiple approaches by russians to offer assistance. We know the narrative will change to some extent. We dont know how much. It definitely is not going to be as simple as total exoneration no collusion as the president is trying to paint it. Whether that gets through the Holiday Weekend is your question. It is clear that this is somehow kointally or not going to land just before the holiest weekend and Holiday Weekend, spring break, a time where there is in fact the government offices are largely closed and congress ight. Things always take a little bit longer at d. O. J. This product they have known of its importance and have been pain stakingly going over it for weeks. It is muellers team that is doing the redactions in the first instance, not mueller. As best we can tell mueller is not on the scene anymore t. Is muellers team doing the initial redactions. They can be overruled. It is going to be hard to do a lot of overruling of individual redactions at the barr level. Second, again, as frank says, the biggest thing here is going to be muellers thinking and analysis and that really shouldnt be covered by any redactable material. That ought to be naked for every wup to see. Why didnt he bottom line and then we begin to know why barr might have and be able to judge that which is after all the most important. You have been talking of course to the president s lawyers. How are they preparing for it . I know that in your conversations with Rudy Giuliani, they had a prebuttal report all ready to go even though we are told that the president has not seen this report. Reporter i have been talking to the president s legal team, Rudy Giuliani who made the point that they have this counter report ready to go. They are holding on to it. I think that is notable. Its been described to me as voluminous. I think it touches on a range of topics. We know there is a robust portion that relates to the issue of obstruction. Is in the wake of that initial sort of barr summary we asked the legal team if they would release the initial report. Until they see what comes out on thursday, i just reached out to see if he had any new reaction to this news that we are going to get the full report on thursday. His response is we will spaupd on thursday after the report is out. And when william barr was testifying, he refused to answer questions on the house and senate side as to whether or not he has had conversations with the white house lawyers about this. Right. And the white house is essentially not commenting on that as well. I can tell you that i asked the president directly at the end of last week whether he had actually seen the Mueller Report and his response to me was he had not seen the Mueller Report. No indication that that has changed, but want to make it very clear essentially the white house declining to comment oon whether there has been any type of communication with barrs team. It has been a rough couple of weeks for william barr. He has gotten really poor grades from a lot of people who want to see the report and feel that there is an obligation that he embraced to a certain extent iphis confirmation hearings. What is the mood and the moral at the Justice Department . Reporter i do think it puts a lot more pressure on the report that we get later this week because william barr is going to have to prove that he is not an attorney general for this president but an attorney general for this country. So the amount of information he includes specifically on the obstruction piece will be key. Obstruction is an area that wooewe think wont have as much classified material. And so they expect that he will have to get more information to explain this decision. Again, a decision he didnt have to make to exonerate the president on obstruction even when rhoobert mueller did not d that. As far as the mood inside, i think there is a presumption to trust william barr. He is someone who had a lot of experience and felt call today come back in this position. After this week and the use of the word spying it seemed to counter act and contradict a lot of officials who were here and open to the Counter Intelligence probe. They want to see an attorney general who will come and give more base for these decisions that he is making because right now that presumption of building up william barr is possibly starting to crumble. You see a lot of i would say optimism out of the white house. They seem to feel they have gotten ahead of it with or without the help of william barr whether based on law or politics or a combination of the two. They certainly seem very encouraged. He has been i dont know how you read the behavior of the last two weeks where he has been going in so many different directions. Well talk more about immigrati immigration. He seems both emboldened and also more aggressive against his perceived opponents. Thats right. You could also look at what President Trump has been doing the last couple of weeks and surmise that are could be some anxiety there about the Mueller Report because he has been creating so many big headlines in other areas, going after representative omar very aggressively and other areas where he has been tweeting. He is creating brush fires which we know from covering him the last few years this is what he does when there is a big story that he waupts todnts to distra aides and allies express concern that the report could be politically damaging to them. You have to wonder if it is a bad report from the president does total exoneration become his Mission Accomplished which president bush had the ban on the Aircraft Carrier declaring an end to the iraq war. He has been to your point about distractions and anxiety levels, as this announcement was coming, he was tweeting those illegal imms who can no longer be legally held, Congress Must fix the laws and loopholes will be subject to homeland security. This is carrying out what Sarah Sanders and Kellyanne Conway were getting into this weekend. The fact is there could be a lot of distraction going on here. That certainly would fit with what you are hearing, as well. Yes. If we are talking about immigration, that is a good day for President Trump. That is the number one issue with republicans and his base. He wants to be talking about immigration. He has tried to leverage the Mueller Report to make it a tool to attack his enemies and bludgeon the press with. So he is trying to take the Mueller Report which is an unfavorable story and use it to his advantage. Immigration, immigration, immigration is what the white house wants to be talking about. That is what they see as a political winning item here. And to a number of democrats they might be appalled that the president wants to have people talking about sending immigrants to sanctuary cities for example or violating the law even if they know it is against the law. But that is the winning hand we see going into 2020 not so much the Mueller Report. The best Case Scenario for the president is to put the Mueller Report behind him next week and move on to topics he wants to be talking about like mimgration. It is tax day as well as a lot on immigration. Underlying all of this, the Mueller Report, how much will this be sort of a disappointment to the president s critics, to a lot of democrats who are waiting on this Mueller Report to give them the goods, to give them what they thought was in plain sight which was the president firing comey, the president talking about russia thrks president trying to get a break from michael flynn, the trump tower, very suspicious meeting. The president with lavrov saying he was trying to get rid of this russia thing . So many different instances which dont apparently add up to any kind of criminal charge, but many people had believed were obvious examples of him working hand and glove with russia. Well, for many people, the fact that the president wasnt let out of the oval office in handcuffs is a disappointment to them. We knew that that was not going to happen and mueller likely acted within the constraints of d. O. J. Policy to not be able to indict a sitting president. This report can go either way. It can be a continued disappointment because of a lack of smoking gun. But we already are tipped off to that by barrs summary. What is quite possible, though, is as the details unfold in this report that there is actually more ammunition revealed and this becomes a disappointment for the white house. I think the distraction method we are seeing from the white house is in part due to the president s concerns not only to himself but about his family members. Lets look for the color coding. When it comes to Third Party References like family members, trumps family members, lets look for the color coding as to whether it is coded because of pending investigations, been redacted because these people are caught up in pending investigations or their names have been redacted because of privacy interests. If it looks like third parties are being redacted for continued investigative interest, thats not a disappointment. Thats a clue that this is still going and perhaps aimed at him and his family. So thank you to this great panel to start us off. Thanks to all. Straight ahead, audacity of hope. A 37yearold indiana mayor tries to capture the 2020 magic in a crowded field. In a crowd d to be a leader in invention and progress. 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