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MSNBCW Dateline October 24, 2020

Something deadly. Shes dead i just came in the house, i saw jan on the floor. He was crying. He was in shock. His whole life was shattered. He said i should probably let you know that my wife was actually murdered. Killed in a crime that had never been solved. She was almost the perfect victim. And what about him . Hed become the focus in his first wifes mysterious death. Was he a victim too . Im a father. I have a family. I didnt kill janet. I felt horrible for him. You didnt want to believe it . Who would want to believe that . Hello and welcome to dateline. Vanessa pond was a single parent looking for a Second Chance at love, and in raven abaroa she thought she found her soul mate. The pair started dating. Then came a chilling admission. Raven told vanessa he was carrying some heavy baggage. More than 2,000 miles away, he was a suspect in his wifes unsolved murder. Still, vanessa clung to the dream that they could live happily ever after. Heres Josh Mankiewicz with deadly denial. Shed found plenty of the wrong guys. Now here in front of her was someone different. We met at a day care where both of our children went to day care. Vanessa pond of Salt Lake City was 25 and a single parent when back in 2007 she met raven abaroa. Like vanessa, he was single and raising a child alone. He was very charming. He would always come up with such fascinating dates. He seemed different . He seemed very different. A good guy . Very good guy. And you fell for him . Hard. But along with the charm and the lavish dates, raven also had a story, a horrible, awful story that had changed his life and would also change vanessa ponds. The story raven told wasnt just about himself. It was about his first wife, janet. He said, well, i should probably let you know that my wife was actually murdered. The murder, raven said, happened three years earlier when he and janet were living in durham, North Carolina. It happened in a home invasion, and he came home and found her and that he didnt want to talk about it any further. It was not the kind of thing vanessa expected to hear from the man who had just stolen her heart. I was beside myself. Vanessa retreated to her laptop and began searching online looking for exactly the details raven abaroa had not provided. I had started researching and i stayed up until 4 00, 4 30 in the morning. The homicide, vanessa learned, occurred in april of 2005. Raven had just come home from playing in a nighttime soccer game when he found his wife on the floor of their tiny second floor office. Janet had been stabbed three times. Raven talked to us about that dreadful discovery. When i nibbleinitially look im talking to her, like, hey, janet, whats wrong . And then it clicks on me that shes her eyes are open looking at me, but shes not blinking her eyes. Something was terribly wrong. Shes dead youre going to have to calm down, okay, whats the address . For janets parents it was the worst day of their lives. I pick up the phone and its raven screaming into the phone. Shes gone. Thats all thats what he was saying. Shes gone. And of course i cant breathe. I thought for sure i was having a heart attack. That raced to durham to be by ravens side. He immediately broke down into bawling tears. I remember putting my arms around him, giving him a hug and saying well get through this together. Everyone was left to wonder, why janet . A woman as gentle as she was pretty. Shes extremely loyal, i guess is the word, like with all of her friends. I mean, she when she has close friends, shes really good to them. Shes really good to me. She always wanted everyone to be happy. Shes very supportive of people and loved to help other people. That came in handy growing up in a mormon household with no fewer than nine siblings. She was a peacemaker. She didnt like confrontation . Absolutely not. In college, janet excelled in the classroom and especially on the soccer field, but from a very early age, janet had her sights set on something more. Her goal in life was to be married and have children and be a mom. Having a very, well, perfect home. Enter janets college sweetheart, raven abaroa. With her, you know, i want to say i knew right away. I mean, her and i started talking about a longterm relationship three weeks into being together. Brittany ramito was janets best friend in college. He was very handsome, and i said all the time, youre the all american couple. It was a foregone conclusion that this young couple was destined for marriage. It rained the night of the wedding, but no one seemed to care, and then the perfect all american couple completed the perfect picture welcoming into their world a son, caden. She said this is so phenomenal. Oh, she loved, absolutely loved being a mother. But just six months later, that perfect picture went dark when janet was discovered lying in a pool of her own blood. Was there anyone who disliked her . Not that i know of. She was a good person. Three years later in Salt Lake City the news of janets homicide was also shocking to vanessa pond. Vanessa had learned the killing never been solved. She wanted more details from raven about his terrible loss. We sat down, had a conversation. I had my questions written out, and so we addressed every single one. How long did that take . We took an entire evening just to go over everything. When the evening was over, vanessa was convinced that the horrific crime back in 2005 had claimed two victims, one of course was janet, but the other was raven. I felt so, so, so, so sorry for him. I couldnt imagine possibly going through that. Coming up, why had this killing never been solved . We delve into the clues. A bloody shoe print, mystery dna, and a coin in the yard, when dateline continues. 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Just say show me peacock into your xfinity voice remote or download the app today. The disturbing story of how raven abaroas first wife had been killed did not scare off vanessa pond. She was in love with him and committed to helping raven get beyond both the heartbreaking loss of janet and the Homicide Investigation back in durham. I wanted to i wanted them to find the killer. I wanted all of this to be all of this to be behind us. But vanessa knew that wouldnt be easy. The past seemed to haunt raven as he shared with vanessa just how much janet had meant to him. He laid kind of in a fetal position next to me, and then he just he started talking how mad he was after janet died. He said i loved my wife . I loved my wife. For everyone who loved janet, the days following the homicide back in 2005 were agonizing. Raven says he found himself asking the same question over and over again. Why we could have this beautiful child, why we can have this beautiful relationship, and then to have her die. Misty foxley, a friend of both janet and raven attended janets memorial service. How did raven look . He looked crushed, but he was trying to hold up. Soon attention turned to finding her killer. We didnt know exactly what happened. All we could think was that somebody broke into the house. For what reason, didnt expect her there and killed her. Charles soul, now retired was a cop with the Durham Police department in 2005. When he was called to the scene of janets homicide. It was a twostory family residence. Nice part of town . Quiet for sure. First responders discovered janet lying on the floor of the upstairs office. She was on her back. Her shirt was raised up exposing a wound to the center of her chest. Janet also had a stab wound to her hand suggesting shed tried to protect herself. The fatal wound was to her neck, and the weapon was nowhere in sight. There was literally no disturbance on the desk. Suggesting there was not some violent struggle . No, not at all, which was kind of odd based on it being a stabbing. Crime scene investigators began the task of swabbing the entire house. It was no surprise that most of the blood and fingerprints tested came back as either ravens or janets, but there were some things the techs had a harder time explaining. The first was a fingerprint on the upstair offices closet door. That print didnt come back to anybody . No. Then there was a shoe print left in blood next to janet. Could you tell anything about this bloody footprint . It was right there by janet, but nothing definitive about the type of shoe, the make or anything. Finally, analysts found unidentified dna mixed with janets blood on a storm door leading to the side entrance. None of that forensic evidence could be traced to raven, janet or anyone connected to the investigation. Those are things as an investigator you absolutely want to try to figure out. While technicians processed the house, detectives began interviewing raven hoping he could help point them in the drebs direction of janets killer. Raven was visibly crying. He looked like he was distraught and upset. He himself said that he knew of no enemy that she had. He realized that some items from the house were missing. And they asked me, well, where was the last time you had the computer. So this would have been later that night or the next day. It was later that night. It was in that initial, initial meeting with them. His computer was gone. Robbery . It was possible. He also talked about some knives being missing. Had there been burglaries in that neighborhood . Yes. Lisa cealy was one of the abaroas neighbors who had been burglarized. Your car was broken into, right . Yes. It was unlocked. Someone went into it and took out some change. A seemingly petty, relatively insignificant theft until a k9 dog was called to search the grounds of the abaroa home where janet had been killed. When the dog got to the front of the house, it stopped unexpectedly. It was in that proximity where the bottle was, the dog made his alert that there was something in that area. Then amongst the weeds, the dog had found a coin. One of the neighbors reported that her car had been broken into and some change had been stolen. Youre correct. And i guess at least one theory was maybe that this coin was from that . It certainly could have been. A homicide, a burglary down the road, and a coin that could link the two. Detectives needed to find out more about that coin. Coming up, secrets from the past revealed. You never knew when the coin would flip and all of a sudden everything that was wrong in the world was her fault. When dateline continues. With hyaluronic acid for 24hour hydration. Instantly covers dark circles. 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None of the ransacking that you would see in a breakin. It just didnt add up. As for the coin found in front of the abaroa home, the police dog was unable to track a scent from it. Back to the house or anywhere else. Detectives were having a hard time finding a link between the burglary down the road and janets killing. The next step was the obvious one. Detectives took a look at janets husband raven. Its pretty common to look at the spouse in situations like this . Thats correct. Thats, you know, part of the process. According to raven, the day of the murder was like any other for the abaroas. Raven told investigators that a member of the church had come over the evening of the incident. Later that night is when raven said he left janet and his son at home to go play in a nighttime soccer game about a half hour away. Jason small was one of ravens teammates. It was business as usual, you know, a bunch of guys playing soccer together, trying to beat the other team. Nothing out of the ordinary. Raven seemed normal to you that night . Completely normal. After the game, raven told police he drove to the gas station to grab a sports drink. Just to be sure, detectives checked the stations security video, and there was raven. Raven said he then headed home to find kaiden undisturbed in his crib, but janet lying in a pool of blood. Shes dead okay, youre going to have to calm down, okay . Whats the address . Detectives also talked to ravens family and friends. By all accounts he was outgoing, friendly, charming, and broke. They dont have any money. They cant rub two nickels together. Money or the lack of it may have been behind something that had happened five months earlier. Raven had been caught stealing sporting equipment from his employer and reselling it on ebay. Ravens mother karen was stunned. I just couldnt believe it. I was like how could you be so stupid . But at least he admitted it. He didnt try to get out of it. I was proud of him for that. For owning up. For owning up. Along with the young couples financial stress, friends told detectives raven and janet had also had a brush with infidelity. According to janets friend brittany, within just months of the wedding, raven had cheated on janet. How did she sound when that happened . Devastated. And then she went back with him after that. She forgave him. She made promises to love him for good, for bad, for ugly, and to support him. But brittany noticed other problems in the marriage. Janet, she said, was struggling with what appeared to be ravens increasingly dramatic mood swings. She told me that sometimes things were like perfect, and it was like holding your breath because you never knew when the coin would flip and all of a sudden everything that was wrong in the world was her fault. Things got so bad that a year before the homicide janet and raven briefly separated, but by itself, a marriage on the rocks did not mean raven was in any way responsible for janets death. Despite Police Suspicion many refused to believe raven could or would kill janet, including janets own parents. When you heard the police thought raven was a suspect, whatd you think . I defended him. You stuck up for him . I did. I couldnt bear the fact that someone whom i entrusted my childs life with would turn on her like that. I could not go there. Neither could raven and janets friend misty foxley. Raven could not have killed janet. He loved her. He loved her. He wouldnt have done that. Detectives had an equally difficult time convincing the District Attorney who after reviewing the evidence felt there wasnt nearly enough to get an indictment. Theyre the ones who make the decision if it goes in court. Why they didnt do it, i dont know. With no other strong leads, the investigation into janets homicide began to cool. Raven had relocated to utah to be closer to his family, which is where two years later he met vanessa pond. He wanted to move things very, very, very quickly. With you . Yes. Despite all the things va necessa vanessa had learned about raven, she stood by him, in part because raven was very upfront about how police were investigating him. He said they didnt have anybody else to look at, which is why he was the only person of interest. Okay. Wait a minute, you find out that a guy youre going out with was a suspect in a murder, is still a suspect in a murder. Yeah. And he gets another date . He talked me into that. Everything he did just melted my heart because i felt i felt so bad for him. And thats how vanessa decided raven, the person of interest, remained the only person she was interested in spending the rest of her life with. After a fourmonth long courtship, raven proposed, and vanessa said yes. But before vanessa walked down the aisle, she sought the counsel of her father randy. Randy pond wasnt just vanessas father. He was also a retired cop with 23 years on the force. Randy decided he needed a man to man with raven. He just came in and was all smiles and very, very fun to be around, very talkative, very outgoing. And you and your wife thought, good . Oh, yeah, i was very impressed with raven, yeah. So impressed, randy gave the two his blessing. How was the wedding . The wedding was beautiful. It was great. And you thought, what . Were going to be okay . Absolutely. Coming up. You think at last, justice. Yes. An arrest in the case when dateline continues. Managing type 2 diabetes . Youre on it. Staying fit and snacking light . Yup, on it there too. You may think youre doing all you can to manage type 2 diabetes and heart disease. But could your medication do more to lower your heart risk . Jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. So, it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. And it lowers a1c. Jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration,. 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