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She says, mommys not coming right now. A seasoned female inmate is transferred back to the jail from state prison. If somebody doesnt pay me on store day, i dont know, it kind of gets ugly. But she suddenly finds herself on the wrong end of a fist. And the job picking up dead bodies its blood and brain matter. Gives one inmate a new reason to live. In here i have a purpose. Officials at the Hamilton County Justice Center in cincinnati, ohio, say theyve seen firsthand the impact of drug use on the city and the jail. Drugs are a huge problem. Unfortunately, it is something that starts on the streets. And by the time it gets to the point where they are in the jail with us, they are withdrawing. And they will do anything to get those drugs back. So we can search all we want. They will always find ways to bring them in. It is a daily struggle and we do the best we can. Sometimes we find them. Sometimes we dont. You know, that is unfortunately the best we can do. Most of the 1,300 men and women incarcerated here are only charged with crimes and awaiting trial and the resolution of their cases. But all are subjected to random shakedowns, designed to keep drugs out of the jail. Everybody up lets go every day we do a search. A shakedown on a floor every day. Everybody, have a seat well pull the inmates out of their cell, set them in the middle of the day space. The dog will go through the cells and search the cells finding any contraband we cannot find. I feel in some kind of way, hes shaking out my panties right now and going through my dirty clothes. Im far to boring to have anything they would want to take. Unless they want a copy of orange is the new black. Wnnmates and send them back to their cell. Today the search doesnt turn up any drugs or serious contraband. Well pick up all the garbage, take it out of here, and then all the cells will be opened and theyll be able to come out and do their daily routine. Our rooms get trashed, you know, but what can we do about that . Were in jail. While frequent cell searches go a long way to keeping drugs away from the inmates, some of them create their own concoctions for a little boost. Oh, you put too much water in it. We need more koolaid. One of the most popular is known as the whippet. The whippet is a tablespoon of coffee, i believe, right . Yeah. A tablespoon of coffee and a half bag of koolaid and you use warm water. And when you whip it, whip it, whip it, it turns into like a taffy and slap it on your hand and its like a sugar high. Just looking for a rush. To be zigzagging off season. While rebecca is looking for something inside the jail. She said on the streets, shes potent. Heroins the love of my life. People dont understand, when you shoo know, youll do whatever you can. Im a good person when im sober. Im very kind, very sweet. Im just a goofy person. But then when im on dope, its all hell breaks loose. Goodman is awaiting trial on charges of aggravated robbery, burglary, and child endangerment. She says the charges stem from a drug binge in which shes admitted to shoplifting with her son in tow. A cop said, freeze and i said, im not freezing, im sorry i jumped in the car and i said, drive, and he drove, and then the cop apparently got dragged, i didnt know. I wasnt paying attention to that part. So you ran him over . I didnt run him over, he was on the side of the car being dragged, because he had to stick his arm in the window. He should have got his arm out. Thats what i said Police Reports say that the officer sustained minor injuries. He was slightly bruised, like kind of like when you rough sex. He was sightly bruised, thats it. Goodman and her getaway driver were quickly identified. Soon after the drivers arrest, goodmans boyfriend convinced her to turn herself in, hoping that might result in reduced charges. I called the detective and i said, give me a couple of hours. And let me get myself together. Basically let me get high and let me find a place for my kid. And he said okay. Let me call the search off. So i gave the phone to cris, my boyfriend. And i had him talk to him. And i was busy getting high. And thats sad. It is. If convicted on all of her charge, goodman could face several years in state prison. Im really mad at turn myself in. Because i thought i was going to get a browny point or something. And i didnt get no browny points. Goodman says shes helping to negotiate a plea deal that would send her to rehab rather than prison to so she can be her sons mother again. I think im a fit to be mother when im sober. Because i did everything right. And when i got high it was just bad. Im just a sick person when it comes to getting high. When i was sober, i was doing really good. I was taking care of him. I was taking him to day care. Wed play and wed have fun. And that was the sober me. And that is what i miss. Because when i was high, its like i dont want you to bother me. And he wanted his mommy. My mom, the night i got arrested, i called her up and you could hear him crying for me. Because he didnt know where i was. And i told my mom put him on the phone. Let me talk to him. So she put him on the phone and it made it worse. When we talked like a couple of weeks ago, apparently he was going to the door and pointing mommy. And she said mommys not coming right now. Coming up im not cool with any of you. I just tolerate you. Rebecca goodman gets a reality check from an inmate with a tough reputation. And i assume you both have strong stomachs. The jail seeks inmate volunteers for an unusual position. They have been asked to position bodies in certain positions. They have been asked to retrieve body parts. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. Yeah. That many but right now, is not the time to talk about it. So when youre ready, search my denture care. Poligrip and polident. Fixed. Fresh. And just between us. And now for their service to the community, we present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Little things can be a big deal. Psoriasis, thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with. An increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. Your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. Upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. Tell your doctor about your medicines and if youre pregnant or planning to be. Otezla. Show more of you. Behind the walls of the Hamilton County Justice Center in cincinnati, the weekly delivery of the commissary items is one of the few things inmates look forward to. They are allowed to purchase snack foods and toiletries from debit accounts funded by friends and family. But when supplies run low for the female inmates in 31 d, they have an unofficial store to go to. The cell of brandy lane. This is my cell. Also known as j. C. Brandies. Instead of j. C. Penney, j. C. Brandy. I try to keep at least 40 bags of chips. I like to keep a lot of sweets because a lot of the girls come in detoxing, that is the main thing they ask me for. Brandi, ill give you your stuff back. Okay. Look at her. Shes rich in here. This is the store lady. When it comes to her store, lane works on a policy she describes as two for one. Two for one is if somebody comes and says do you have a noodle until shop day. Yeah. Here you go but that means they have to pay me two back. One bag of chips and one hot chocolate. Thank you. Nice doing business with you. You too ill be back sooner or later. My house, i dont have to my family takes care of me, but i get a rush out of it. Lane is currently midway through a twoyear sentence at the prison. She was brought back to testify in an unrelated case. She said prison taught her the hustle as well as to keep her clients honest. If if someone doesnt pay me on store day, i double it. If they owe me four brownies, next shop day theyre going to owe me eight. And if they outright dont want to pay me, i dont know, it kind of gets ugly. I could give somebody a few things. A few items or even drop a few dollars on their books and they are going to kick that persons ass for my stuff. This is my hustle. This is my money. And it is something that i wont just take lightly. Lane went to prison after pleading guilty for failure to comply with an officers order and trying to evade Police Following a routine traffic stop. I took the police through a high speed chase going through ohio, into kentucky and indiana. I had 19 outstanding warrants that was all misdemeanors and i was under the influence of the klonopin. I had them in my position and didnt want to get caught. So when the sheriff walked up to the truck, i fled, when he asked for license and insurance and i downed the whole bottle of pills. So by the end of the chase, i was like it was like a video game, you know. It wasnt all real to me. And i wrecked the truck that i was driving. I hit a median barrier wall going through 83 miles an hour, head on. And the truck caught on fire, rolled a couple of times. Im lucky to be alive. Lane says her long criminal record is the result of a near decade long struggle with drugs. And even though shes not willing to give up some of her prison hustles, such as running her two for one store she says she wants to quit drugs and end her struggle with jail. Im a recovering addict, addicted to everything from cocaine to crack to pills. And just got caught up at the age of 18 with the wrong people. And i have been in and out of the streets, in and out of jails, in and out of prisons for the last nine years. I have been arrested for theft, obstruction of official police business, drug paraphernalia, everything but murder, id say, probably. This is the most time ive done so far at one time. I just have done a lot of selfevaluations and stuff since ive been up in marysville. I go to groups. I actually facilitate groups. Im in school. I want this to be my last time. I want this to be a learning lesson. A lesson learned. I dont want to come back. Rebecca goodman, also an admitted drug addict, is hoping to avoid a prison sentence herself, but says lane has been a good influence. Were close. We hang out a lot and kick it and laugh. See, she forgot. Were cool. Dont let your head get big. Im not cool with any of you. I just tolerate you. I dont want to be friends with criminals anymore. Im trying to get my life together. And youre the hardest criminal ive met yet. I am not you dragged a cop how do i expect to go home and be this wonderful mother and get a job and be a perfect citizen of society if im going to keep the old habits . I have to complete change all my ways in order to better my life. I dont have any plans on being friends with anybody here. I mean, theres like three people honestly, that ill probably ever plan on calling on the phone or hanging out with again. When brandi told me wed never be friends, it hurt. Because i think we would be good friends on the outs, as long as she did her part, i know ill do mine. But i would like to just be associated we can go to some meetings together, thats cool. Yes. An aa meeting. I wasnt an aa, a da, a ca, as long as its a meeting and its positive, i dont care. For me, rebeccas dangerous. For me, if i got out of here and hung around her, there would probably be a 60 chance that i would end. Using with her. Its not that i dont like her, i love her. I love her as a person. I just i cant place myself around people who arent ready to change their life. Coming up some of the sponsors i had, no offense, were scandalous and very deceitful. A former addict reaches out to Rebecca Goodman. We average probably about 70 or 80 coroners runs per month. One of the jails inmate workers volunteers for a grisly position. They need somebody to come in and do that. Theres not always people that want to do that. Every year, about 55,000 men and women pass through the booking department of the Hamilton County Justice Center in cincinnati. Can i get my panties, please . Most will be released within hours. But for those who stay, the jail will become their home for an indefinite period of time. The job of keeping it clean falls to inmate workers, known here as porters, like Thomas Schiele. Our day starts with empty trash cans, taking care of the walls, cells as they empty, and then on to the holding tanks. In jail, i am somebody. In here, i feel needed, i guess. I have a purpose. When i get outside, its a total 180. I just get out of jail, im a criminal, im a felon, im on probation, i dont deserve a chance. Schiele is serving a 60day sentence for disorderly conduct, failure to comply with an officer and obstruction of official business. He says following an argument with his girlfriend, he drove off in anger and evaded police when they tried to pull him over. I got away, but cincinnati doesnt play around. They ended up surrounding my house and they got me. I make stupid decisions like that. I dont think before i act. I make very bad decisions. And then ten seconds later, im like, oh, crap, whyd i do that . Schiele says hes been making bad decisions since the age of 18 when he served two years for theft. And he says husband many subsequent incarcerations on convictions such as burglary, theft, and drug possession have contributed to severe depression. The worst thing ever out there that depressed me more than anything was looking for a job. And a lot of people dont understand that. When you go out and put in ten applications a day and every single place just knox you down, i hate not having a job, pause i feel like a bum, but some days, i would just rather feel like a bum than go out and feel like a lowlife. Like, get crapped on. Because you do, you come out feeling like a piece of [ bleep ]. Its not worth it, sometimes. Sciele said he eventually hit rock bottom and attempted suicide. Brought my priest, father tom came, blessed me. Grave me a clear path. And one day i just sat straight up in bed and i had a tube in my throat. I cant breathe, im kind of freaking out, and i grabbed the breathing tube to have my intubated. I grabbed that thing and tried to yank it out. It didnt come out, but it did a good job of ripping up my vocal cords. It hurts, i lose my voice, and i get to live with that, its a reminder for the rest of my life of what i did. But im over that now. Schiele says one of the few positive aspects of his life in recent years was the unusual job he held the last time he was incarcerated here. He was one of the jails dead run porters. About 12 or 13 years ago, the county came to an agreement with the Coroners Office that we would respond within the county to any of the dead runs that theyve had, that require bodies to be picked up. We average probably about 70 or 80 coroners runs per month. They call, we get the porters together, we have a driver who goes out with them, a certified officer from intake. And were on scene, usually within 30 minutes. They have a lot of responsibility. I mean. Theyve been asked to position bodies in certain positions for crime scene photos. Theyve been asked to retrieve body parts on occasion. Its the type of experience that you never forget. The images never leave you. Two spots have recently opened up on the dead run team. And schiele has once again applied for one of the volunteer positions. I think i do a good job at it and im very respectful. They need someone to come in there and do that. Theres not always people who want to do that. All right, guys, thanks for coming up. And were going to talk to you about the dead run position a little bit more in depth, okay . What we really want you guys to do when youre out there, youre under the control and custody of the officer whos in charge, all right . At all times, you want to be discreet and respectful. You know, youre going to be around the families of people who are grieving. You know, a lot of times these situations, you know, youre going to be involved with homicide, suicides, young people, old people, you know, men, women, and children, unfortunately. Treat these bodies as if they were a relative of yours and how you would want them to be treated. You know, i assume you both have strong stomachs. Ive done it before. So, it was a lifechanging experience, obviously. The stuff you see, you dont forget. To go to a house where you walk in and hear the mom screaming upstairs. You just see the graduation picture on the wall of a really beautiful young woman and you get upstairs, a year later, its not even the same person. And theyre dead. They overdosed. And their mom is screaming. Theyre holding on to their dead daughter. The brother starts crying. Neighbors are outside crying. And you got to when you see the effect it has on people, it changes everything. You dont ever have to worry about me attempting suicide again, i can tell you that much. I wont put my family through that. Coming up, Thomas Schiele starts his new job. The bottoms is where i tried to miss the blood trail. And Rebecca Goodman gets a visit from the boyfriend who convinced her to turn herself in. Youre going to be clean after you get out of here or im going to break my foot off in your butt. I know. vo the flock blindly falls into formation. Flying south for the winter. They never stray from their predetermined path. But this season, a more thrilling journey is calling. Defy the laws of human nature. At the season of audi sales event. Its not getting in my way. . I had enough joint pain, swelling, tenderness. Much better. My psoriasis, clearer. Cosentyx works on all of this. Four years and counting. So watch out. I got this watch me. Real people with active Psoriatic Arthritis are feeling real relief with cosentyx. Cosentyx is a different kind of targeted biologic. It treats the multiple symptoms of Psoriatic Arthritis to help you look and feel better. 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And they will do anything to get those drugs back. So we can search all we want. They will always find ways to bring them in. It is a daily struggle and we do the best we can. Sometimes we find them. Sometimes we dont. You know, that is unfortunately the best we can do. Most of the 1,300 men and women incarcerated here are only charged with crimes and awaiting trial and the resolution of their cases. But all are subjected to random shakedowns, designed to keep drugs out of the jail. Everybody up lets go every day we do a search. A shakedown on a floor every day. Everybody, have a seat well pull the inmates out of their cell, set them in the middle of the day space. The dog will go through the cells and search the cells finding any contraband we cannot find. I feel in some kind of way, hes shaking out my panties right now and going through my dirty clothes. Im far to boring to have anything they would want to take. Unless they want a copy of orange is the new black. Wnnmates and send them back to their cell. Today the search doesnt turn up any drugs or serious contraband. Well pick up all the garbage, take it out of here, and then all the cells will be opened and theyll be able to come out and do their daily routine. Our rooms get trashed, you know, but what can we do about that . Were in jail. While frequent cell searches go a long way to keeping drugs away from the inmates, some of them create their own concoctions for a little boost. Oh, you put too much water in it. We need more koolaid. One of the most popular is known as the whippet. The whippet is a tablespoon of coffee, i believe, right . Yeah. A tablespoon of coffee and a half bag of koolaid and you use warm water. And when you whip it, whip it, whip it, it turns into like a taffy and slap it on your hand and its like a sugar high. Just looking for a rush. To be zigzagging off season. While rebecca is looking for something inside the jail. She said on the streets, shes potent. Heroins the love of my life. People dont understand, when you shoo know, youll do whatever you can. Im a good person when im sober. Im very kind, very sweet. Im just a goofy person. But then when im on dope, its all hell breaks loose. Goodman is awaiting trial on charges of aggravated robbery, burglary, and child endangerment. She says the charges stem from a drug binge in which shes admitted to shoplifting with her son in tow. A cop said, freeze and i said, im not freezing, im sorry i jumped in the car and i said, drive, and he drove, and then the cop apparently got dragged, i didnt know. I wasnt paying attention to that part. So you ran him over . I didnt run him over, he was on the side of the car being dragged, because he had to stick his arm in the window. He should have got his arm out. Thats what i said Police Reports<\/a> say that the officer sustained minor injuries. He was slightly bruised, like kind of like when you rough sex. He was sightly bruised, thats it. Goodman and her getaway driver were quickly identified. Soon after the drivers arrest, goodmans boyfriend convinced her to turn herself in, hoping that might result in reduced charges. I called the detective and i said, give me a couple of hours. And let me get myself together. Basically let me get high and let me find a place for my kid. And he said okay. Let me call the search off. So i gave the phone to cris, my boyfriend. And i had him talk to him. And i was busy getting high. And thats sad. It is. If convicted on all of her charge, goodman could face several years in state prison. Im really mad at turn myself in. Because i thought i was going to get a browny point or something. And i didnt get no browny points. Goodman says shes helping to negotiate a plea deal that would send her to rehab rather than prison to so she can be her sons mother again. I think im a fit to be mother when im sober. Because i did everything right. And when i got high it was just bad. Im just a sick person when it comes to getting high. When i was sober, i was doing really good. I was taking care of him. I was taking him to day care. Wed play and wed have fun. And that was the sober me. And that is what i miss. Because when i was high, its like i dont want you to bother me. And he wanted his mommy. My mom, the night i got arrested, i called her up and you could hear him crying for me. Because he didnt know where i was. And i told my mom put him on the phone. Let me talk to him. So she put him on the phone and it made it worse. When we talked like a couple of weeks ago, apparently he was going to the door and pointing mommy. And she said mommys not coming right now. Coming up im not cool with any of you. I just tolerate you. Rebecca goodman gets a reality check from an inmate with a tough reputation. And i assume you both have strong stomachs. The jail seeks inmate volunteers for an unusual position. They have been asked to position bodies in certain positions. They have been asked to retrieve body parts. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. Yeah. That many but right now, is not the time to talk about it. So when youre ready, search my denture care. Poligrip and polident. Fixed. Fresh. And just between us. And now for their service to the community, we present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual<\/a> customizes your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Little things can be a big deal. Psoriasis, thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with. An increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. Your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. Upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. Tell your doctor about your medicines and if youre pregnant or planning to be. Otezla. Show more of you. Behind the walls of the Hamilton County<\/a> Justice Center<\/a> in cincinnati, the weekly delivery of the commissary items is one of the few things inmates look forward to. They are allowed to purchase snack foods and toiletries from debit accounts funded by friends and family. But when supplies run low for the female inmates in 31 d, they have an unofficial store to go to. The cell of brandy lane. This is my cell. Also known as j. C. Brandies. Instead of j. C. Penney, j. C. Brandy. I try to keep at least 40 bags of chips. I like to keep a lot of sweets because a lot of the girls come in detoxing, that is the main thing they ask me for. Brandi, ill give you your stuff back. Okay. Look at her. Shes rich in here. This is the store lady. When it comes to her store, lane works on a policy she describes as two for one. Two for one is if somebody comes and says do you have a noodle until shop day. Yeah. Here you go but that means they have to pay me two back. One bag of chips and one hot chocolate. Thank you. Nice doing business with you. You too ill be back sooner or later. My house, i dont have to my family takes care of me, but i get a rush out of it. Lane is currently midway through a twoyear sentence at the prison. She was brought back to testify in an unrelated case. She said prison taught her the hustle as well as to keep her clients honest. If if someone doesnt pay me on store day, i double it. If they owe me four brownies, next shop day theyre going to owe me eight. And if they outright dont want to pay me, i dont know, it kind of gets ugly. I could give somebody a few things. A few items or even drop a few dollars on their books and they are going to kick that persons ass for my stuff. This is my hustle. This is my money. And it is something that i wont just take lightly. Lane went to prison after pleading guilty for failure to comply with an officers order and trying to evade Police Following<\/a> a routine traffic stop. I took the police through a high speed chase going through ohio, into kentucky and indiana. I had 19 outstanding warrants that was all misdemeanors and i was under the influence of the klonopin. I had them in my position and didnt want to get caught. So when the sheriff walked up to the truck, i fled, when he asked for license and insurance and i downed the whole bottle of pills. So by the end of the chase, i was like it was like a video game, you know. It wasnt all real to me. And i wrecked the truck that i was driving. I hit a median barrier wall going through 83 miles an hour, head on. And the truck caught on fire, rolled a couple of times. Im lucky to be alive. Lane says her long criminal record is the result of a near decade long struggle with drugs. And even though shes not willing to give up some of her prison hustles, such as running her two for one store she says she wants to quit drugs and end her struggle with jail. Im a recovering addict, addicted to everything from cocaine to crack to pills. And just got caught up at the age of 18 with the wrong people. And i have been in and out of the streets, in and out of jails, in and out of prisons for the last nine years. I have been arrested for theft, obstruction of official police business, drug paraphernalia, everything but murder, id say, probably. This is the most time ive done so far at one time. I just have done a lot of selfevaluations and stuff since ive been up in marysville. I go to groups. I actually facilitate groups. Im in school. I want this to be my last time. I want this to be a learning lesson. A lesson learned. I dont want to come back. Rebecca goodman, also an admitted drug addict, is hoping to avoid a prison sentence herself, but says lane has been a good influence. Were close. We hang out a lot and kick it and laugh. See, she forgot. Were cool. Dont let your head get big. Im not cool with any of you. I just tolerate you. I dont want to be friends with criminals anymore. Im trying to get my life together. And youre the hardest criminal ive met yet. I am not you dragged a cop how do i expect to go home and be this wonderful mother and get a job and be a perfect citizen of society if im going to keep the old habits . I have to complete change all my ways in order to better my life. I dont have any plans on being friends with anybody here. I mean, theres like three people honestly, that ill probably ever plan on calling on the phone or hanging out with again. When brandi told me wed never be friends, it hurt. Because i think we would be good friends on the outs, as long as she did her part, i know ill do mine. But i would like to just be associated we can go to some meetings together, thats cool. Yes. An aa meeting. I wasnt an aa, a da, a ca, as long as its a meeting and its positive, i dont care. For me, rebeccas dangerous. For me, if i got out of here and hung around her, there would probably be a 60 chance that i would end. Using with her. Its not that i dont like her, i love her. I love her as a person. I just i cant place myself around people who arent ready to change their life. Coming up some of the sponsors i had, no offense, were scandalous and very deceitful. A former addict reaches out to Rebecca Goodman<\/a>. We average probably about 70 or 80 coroners runs per month. One of the jails inmate workers volunteers for a grisly position. They need somebody to come in and do that. Theres not always people that want to do that. Every year, about 55,000 men and women pass through the booking department of the Hamilton County<\/a> Justice Center<\/a> in cincinnati. Can i get my panties, please . Most will be released within hours. But for those who stay, the jail will become their home for an indefinite period of time. The job of keeping it clean falls to inmate workers, known here as porters, like Thomas Schiele<\/a>. Our day starts with empty trash cans, taking care of the walls, cells as they empty, and then on to the holding tanks. In jail, i am somebody. In here, i feel needed, i guess. I have a purpose. When i get outside, its a total 180. I just get out of jail, im a criminal, im a felon, im on probation, i dont deserve a chance. Schiele is serving a 60day sentence for disorderly conduct, failure to comply with an officer and obstruction of official business. He says following an argument with his girlfriend, he drove off in anger and evaded police when they tried to pull him over. I got away, but cincinnati doesnt play around. They ended up surrounding my house and they got me. I make stupid decisions like that. I dont think before i act. I make very bad decisions. And then ten seconds later, im like, oh, crap, whyd i do that . Schiele says hes been making bad decisions since the age of 18 when he served two years for theft. And he says husband many subsequent incarcerations on convictions such as burglary, theft, and drug possession have contributed to severe depression. The worst thing ever out there that depressed me more than anything was looking for a job. And a lot of people dont understand that. When you go out and put in ten applications a day and every single place just knox you down, i hate not having a job, pause i feel like a bum, but some days, i would just rather feel like a bum than go out and feel like a lowlife. Like, get crapped on. Because you do, you come out feeling like a piece of [ bleep ]. Its not worth it, sometimes. Sciele said he eventually hit rock bottom and attempted suicide. Brought my priest, father tom came, blessed me. Grave me a clear path. And one day i just sat straight up in bed and i had a tube in my throat. I cant breathe, im kind of freaking out, and i grabbed the breathing tube to have my intubated. I grabbed that thing and tried to yank it out. It didnt come out, but it did a good job of ripping up my vocal cords. It hurts, i lose my voice, and i get to live with that, its a reminder for the rest of my life of what i did. But im over that now. Schiele says one of the few positive aspects of his life in recent years was the unusual job he held the last time he was incarcerated here. He was one of the jails dead run porters. About 12 or 13 years ago, the county came to an agreement with the Coroners Office<\/a> that we would respond within the county to any of the dead runs that theyve had, that require bodies to be picked up. We average probably about 70 or 80 coroners runs per month. They call, we get the porters together, we have a driver who goes out with them, a certified officer from intake. And were on scene, usually within 30 minutes. They have a lot of responsibility. I mean. Theyve been asked to position bodies in certain positions for crime scene photos. Theyve been asked to retrieve body parts on occasion. Its the type of experience that you never forget. The images never leave you. Two spots have recently opened up on the dead run team. And schiele has once again applied for one of the volunteer positions. I think i do a good job at it and im very respectful. They need someone to come in there and do that. Theres not always people who want to do that. All right, guys, thanks for coming up. And were going to talk to you about the dead run position a little bit more in depth, okay . What we really want you guys to do when youre out there, youre under the control and custody of the officer whos in charge, all right . At all times, you want to be discreet and respectful. You know, youre going to be around the families of people who are grieving. You know, a lot of times these situations, you know, youre going to be involved with homicide, suicides, young people, old people, you know, men, women, and children, unfortunately. Treat these bodies as if they were a relative of yours and how you would want them to be treated. You know, i assume you both have strong stomachs. Ive done it before. So, it was a lifechanging experience, obviously. The stuff you see, you dont forget. To go to a house where you walk in and hear the mom screaming upstairs. You just see the graduation picture on the wall of a really beautiful young woman and you get upstairs, a year later, its not even the same person. And theyre dead. They overdosed. And their mom is screaming. Theyre holding on to their dead daughter. The brother starts crying. Neighbors are outside crying. And you got to when you see the effect it has on people, it changes everything. You dont ever have to worry about me attempting suicide again, i can tell you that much. I wont put my family through that. Coming up, Thomas Schiele<\/a> starts his new job. The bottoms is where i tried to miss the blood trail. And Rebecca Goodman<\/a> gets a visit from the boyfriend who convinced her to turn herself in. Youre going to be clean after you get out of here or im going to break my foot off in your butt. I know. vo the flock blindly falls into formation. Flying south for the winter. They never stray from their predetermined path. But this season, a more thrilling journey is calling. Defy the laws of human nature. At the season of audi sales event. Its not getting in my way. . I had enough joint pain, swelling, tenderness. Much better. My psoriasis, clearer. Cosentyx works on all of this. 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A senior Law Enforcement<\/a> official says he was taken into custody in harlem and is suspected of stabbing five people in new york on the 7th night of hanukkah. Police say the attack started around 10 00 p. M. 30 miles west of manhattan. A senior Law Enforcement<\/a> official says the fbi is sending counter for error investigators to the scene to assist local authorities. The governor is sending a hate Crime Task Force<\/a> to investigate. They are closely monitoring the situation as the city already stepped up patrols. Now back to lockup. For some inmates at the Hamilton County<\/a> Justice Center<\/a> in cincinnati, even incarceration cant put a damper on vanity. This hurts but maintaining personal style in jail takes a little creativity. I am about to dye half of allisons hair with crystal light. Some people use koolaid, but the koolaid here has sugar added, so it doesnt old. I just mix it with a tiny bit of water. Usually like ten packs, probably. It comes like, almost like a paste. I do nails, hair, makeup, at least two or three times a day, if not my own, somebody elses. So it takes me out of this place a little, makes me feel like im not here. Lane says being incarcerated numerous times over the past ten years for convictions relating to drug addiction has taught her some jailhouse beauty tips. I believe that a lot of drug addicts have the best hidden talents. We learn how to do things with little to nothing. When you come from the streets and places like institutions and jails, you learn how to do things with what little you have. One former drug addict is trying to get inmates like lane to break the cycle that brings them back to jail in the first place. Hey, ladies, how are you . For those of you that knew, my name is miss shelia. Im a grateful recovering addict. I have been clean for 19 years. Once a week, shelia davis volunteers time to share her story with the female inmates. I have hands on been in the pits of hell with my addiction. In and out of jail, stealing, lying, and i really believe that my calling has been to try to help others. I love shelia. Shes very inspirational and i get so much out of her groups. And i know that coming from the same streets as her, if she can do it, i can do it. You have to make up your mind where are you going to go and what youre going to do, right . Rebecca goodman, who has been fighting her own battle with drugs for the past decade is more skeptical. Ive been through all of this. Ive spent half of my life span of ten years off and on being clean. To my opinion, i just dont want to hear a speaker. For me, my drug addiction keeps getting worse. Every time i go back out, its worse. Really . Yes god, i didnt know that yes. You know what they call that . Progression. Thats what it does. But the people here im not trying to say anything just talk about you, boo, dont talk about anybody else. But for me, i am sick and tired of doing what im doing. Ive been doing this for ten years. And i have three years clean prior to this. Some of the sponsors i had, no offense, were scandalous and very deceitful but why you focused on that . Because it makes me mad but dont worry thats wasted time. You cant control what anybody says about you. So let i go. But its my sponsor. But it dont matter. Prove her wrong by staying clean. See, thats how you get your energy, is doing what youre supposed to do. If im keeping finding fault in other people, then i dont have to take any responsibility for whats really going on. I really dont like na, and im not trying to be mean, but, its an hour and a half long. I like the hour. I like the a, but it does not relate to me. No, thats why you waste time this is only for who want it, not who need it. This is what i want you to do and then i need to move on. I want you to work on you and whatever works for you. God has given us programs here on earth and you just find the one that works for you, okay . And keep coming. All right . Well, lets close with our regular prayer and thanks for having me. All right . Did i get anything out of it . I did. Its very inspiring, you know, to know that she could do that. Thats a lot of years. I can never make it past the threeyear mark. I really cant. Every time it gets to three years, im done. But it may be longer than that before goodman returns to her life on the outside. Shes charged with aggravated robbery, burglary, and child endangerment. She had her young son with her when she and her codefendant robbed a walmart star. When the codefendant sped off, they injured the arresting Police Officer<\/a> who was dragged by the car. I just hope i dont get six years. Thats what my lawyer told me the other day when he came to see me, that the minimum is six. Six years for me is just too long. I want my son. I would rather be sober and be happy and have my baby back. And im worried that when i get out, he wont know who i am anymore. At the time of her arrest, goodman and her son lived with her boyfriend. When goodman turned herself in, her son was placed in the custody of his father over goodmans objections. Do you feel good that hes safe, though, right now . In a way, yeah, but in a way, im really pissed, because my husband has him and i dont want him to have him. I wanted chris to have him. Because hes been with him. Her boyfriend, chris richardson, has stood beside her and visits frequently. I only get to see her tuesday, thursday,ed and saturday. Sowy get off work, this is write come. Counting down the minutes to get out of there and come out here. Im worried about her doing some serious time, but ill be here. Ill be writing her or going to visit wherever shes at. Even if she does prison time, youre going to be there . Yep, all the way through. Ill be there. For her, its very worth it. I dont want to do anymore time in here. This place is getting to me. Oh, my god, why did i turn myself in . So you can get it done and over with. And when you get out, you can be clean. It didnt go to my plan, though, chris, you know that. My plan was for you to have my kid i know. And that would have been fine. That makes me so mad that that didnt work. I know. Did you even get ahold did you even get ahold of him . No. They wont talk to me. When i get out, i swear to god when i get out youre going to behave yourself. I am going to behave myself, but thank god im behind bars, because i would go put some sugar in his tank. And i would slash all four tires. Oh, my god. I dont even know how to respond to that. I have anger issues. I think you should do some anger management and rehab. I dont need anger management yeah, okay. Keeping you clean after you get out of here. I know, youre going to keep me clean. Or im going to break my foot off in your butt. I know. But thats if i get out of here. She needed to either go to rehab or go to jail. And once she gets out, everything will be good. I told her before, its either me or the drugs. And if she chooses drugs, i cant be with her. I think chris would he would stick with me through the six years, but i dont i dont want six years. I dont deserve six years. At least, i dont think i do. Thats my opinion. I mean, people may think im a monster, but im not that mean. Im not like some hideous monster, you know . I just made a wrong choice. Coming up i noticed she had a black eye. An injury to brandi lane raises questions. The officer informed me that she said she fell in her cell and i said, yeah, well, im probably not buying that story. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for allday allnight protection. Can you imagine 24hours without heartburn . 1 in 5 people you meet wear yeah. That many but right now, is not the time to talk about it. So when youre ready, search my denture care. 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And its from you never know what youre getting into. This is from the same run as this jump suit. Stuff ran down and dripped on the front of my shoe. And the bottoms is where i tried to miss the blood trail and ended up stepping in it. Thats blood and pus and brain matter, chunks in there. A little bit of brain matter. But you know, when youre doing a job, youre going to run into some messy situations. Despite the grim scenes he encounters, schiele says its better than being in jail. I think you have to roll the windows down and youre on the highway, granted, were going into a bad situation, but trying to look at the brighter side of things. Were out there and i feel like a dog with my head out the window. I just kick back in the backseat and let the wind blow in. Its enjoyable until you get to the scene, and then a reality check, and then just enjoy that tenminute ride back, as much as you can, because then youre back then. Schiele says trips out have also been a reminder of what hes missing. When we get to the scene sometimes, we have to stand five, ten minutes outside waiting until they clear it for us to flag us in. So were just standing out there, listening to birds chirping, you know, neighbors walking around, smelling the air. And someone down the street is cutting grass, you smell that freshcut grass, it puts it all in perspective. Thats what youre missing. You dont think about it until youre out there. I cant wait to go home and cut my grass. Its stupid, maybe, but its i cant wait. Im looked forward to that. For brandi lane, freedom is getting closer. She was midway through a twoyear prison sentence in marysville, ohio, when she was brought to the jail to testify in an unrelated case. Shes been in and out of jail over the past 13 years and says shes ready to change, but now trouble seems to have found her. When i walked on the female unit, i noticed that she had a black eye. And i asked my officer what was going on with that. And the officer informed me that she said she fell in her cell and smacked her eye, i believe, on her toilet, and i said, yeah, well, im probably not buying that story, and they said, neither were they, but she wasnt willing to talk about what had happened. Sergeant kilday says shes known lane for the majority of her career and has a good report with her. Shes confident a visit to lanes cell will result in the truth. Brandi . Yeah . Whats going on . Hmm, not much. What happened here . Uh, i was on the phone over there by the door and an inmate ran up on me, i was on the phone, had a cup of coffee in my hand, an inmate ran up on me and swung on my twice. And when she didnt connect with my face, she kicked me in my face. Did you have issues with her . Was there something going on between you . Somebody told her, apparently, that i said something. If she would have approached me woman to woman, youve known me long enough, i would have told her. Okay. Did you tell anybody. They took me down to medical. And you thought somebody believed that story . I didnt want to tell. Nobody said anything. No . You werent going to tell . The whole pod, pretty much, was like, youre going to get us all locked down. Whyd you decide to tell her the truth . She knew the truth and i dont want to be locked in my room for lying to a sergeant. And when one thing happens or one person does something wrong, everybody pays suffers the consequences. And i didnt want everybody else to be locked down on behalf of me and some ignorant inmate. Because, of course, as a woman, we all have that we have that pride thing going on. I want to whoop her ass. But, what i . I think brandi has come a long way in the years that ive known her. And shes obviously expressed to me that she just wants to be done with the trouble shes in right now and move on in her life. And im hoping thats her real decision that shes made. The only reason i havent retaliated, sergeant, is because not only do i want to go home to my son, but if i cant stay out of trouble in here, how am i going to stay out of trouble out there . True. Sometimes youve got to be the big person. Right. Its the hardest thing i wish you would have let me know when it happened. If this would have happened to me even six months ago, i would have had already made sure i could get my hand on her. There would have been no stopping me. But i want to change my life. I want to go home to my son. I want to be a mother. Im tired of being confined to these walls, having people tell me when to eat, breathe, sleep, you know. Im sick of that. The old me would have definitely mauled her by now. Coming up, Thomas Schiele<\/a> prepares for his release, but past choices may come back to haunt him. Worstcase scenario, doc, department of corrections, two years, eight months, they send me back to prison. 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Thomas schiele has been keeping himself busy at the Hamilton County<\/a> Justice Center<\/a>. He works as the dead run porter, picking up bodies for the Coroners Office<\/a>. Every morning at breakfast, news comes on. I pretty much know my day. Oh well ill be leaving. Three homicides last night. Were picking them up at the hospital. Between homicides, accidental shootings and drug overdoses, those three things right there is enough to keep a coroner busy. Funeral homes are definitely secure with their jobs. Thomas has been a one of a kind type of the dead run porter. I havent had any negative feedback from any of the drivers that have gone out with him. To the contrary theyve all said hes very responsible. Very attentive. He wants to do a good job every run he goes out on. And it puts my mind at ease hes one of the guys out there doing the job. But this will be one of schieles last runs. Hes nearing the end of a 60day sentence and will soon be leaving the jail. Whats your plans for the future . Well, number one above all is not to come back to jail. Good. I got a job waiting on me. Okay. Got some after some treatment programs set up. Help keep me in line a little bit. Fantastic. And other than that, just going to go out there and give it your best. Give it my best. Spend time with the kids. But schiele wont be regaining his freedom just yet. Hes about to be transferred to the neighboring Butler County<\/a> jail for failure to pay child support. I owe a lot. Its in the 20,000 to 30,000 range. I do feel like a piece of [ bleep ]. People think i am one. I mean, im a bad i am a bad father in that perspective. And maybe i dont have the right to see them right now. Already on probation for failure to pay child support, schieles judge will now decide whether or not to send him to prison for his continued violations. Worstcase scenario, doc, department of corrections, 2 years, 8 months. They send me back to prison. It is what it is. If they send me back to prison, ill get through it. Theyre not going to keep me forever. Three weeks after brandy lane was assaulted by another inmate on her unit, hr injuries are no longer visible. But lane says that is not the only thing thats changed. When people approach me and ask me why i wasnt the usual me or why i didnt retaliate . I kind of just tell them its not their business. I guess its all a part of growing up. Im 27, im not 17 anymore. And i feel like if i cant hold my composure in here then i wont be able to do it at home. So im trying to do as much soul searching and changing as i can. As further evidence of her growth, lane cites her decision to close the commissary store she had been running out of her cell. I have pretty much shut down j. C. Brandys. Im addicted to hustling. So no matter where im at i always work my hustle in. But i sincerely want to stop that. Because i feel like thats the reason im here today. The fast pace, tripling and doubling my money and all that. Like, that comes with the territory and lifestyle of addiction. Lane says she hopes to help Rebecca Goodman<\/a> change as well. Me and rebecca are getting closer by the day. Shes still not ready to change her life. But i think she is to the point where shes starting to think about things. And as long as i can talk to her and try to get her to change her way of thinking, then i feel like ive accomplished something. I keep telling myself im not coming back. Because i will remember. Say what you want. Think what you want. Mean it in your heart if you want. I was exactly the same way. And i meant it wholeheartedly. Everest never coming back. I was never going to use again. I was never going to do any of that. And here i sit on my third penitentiary number, again. Facing charges of aggravated robbery, burglary and child endangerment, goodman had hoped to be sentenced to a Rehabilitation Program<\/a> but a recent plea offer has not left her optimistic. I talked to my lawyer and he said your plea deal is three years. I kind of was stunned. I was like, three what . And hes like, three years. And i was like, um oh, wow. But i was told there was no other plea deals. Its just one plea deal, and if we didnt want it, then it was going to trial, and were looking at five to eight years. I was pissed because it feels like your lifes over with. Three years . Goodman says she plans to refuse the plea deal in hopes that her judge will still send her to rehab. Worst case scenario, prison and rehab. Drugs are absolutely available in prison. However they get them in there. They get them in. People come in with stuff in their yeah. Vagina stuff. You know. Ive heard. Tobacco, whatever you want is available up there. Marijuana. Ive seen it all. Any drug she wants is available. So if shes not serious she is going to be able to get high up there. Ive seen everything from them smoking crack out of a chicken bone to shooting dope out of a i feel like she really really does want to change. Ihe kno how to go about doing it yet . No. Do i think its going to be a long journey for her . Absolutely, because it is for all of us. But i see her more and more driven every day. I almost consider her a friend now. And whatever path you go, i just hope you make the best decision for you. I care about you genuinely and i want you to not be a statistic. I have lost a friend every single month since ive been going to heroin overdose. So i wrote a poem about how i felt about it. The poem i wrotes called illusion. It says [ bleep ] the illusion, street life and confusion. Its killing my family and its gruesome. Something has got to give. These beautiful women, they deserve to live. Starting here, starting now, i promise to figure out how. How to bring purpose into their lives and how to get back to being a wife, a mother, a friend and show the loyalty thats held within. Give back for the ones who didnt win. Rest in peace to all of those who have died in this game. I give you my word it wont be in vain. I will celebrate your lives each and every day and be forever grateful that mine didnt end that way. She was family. A giant hole was ripped in our hearts. The first thing you want is, well, the police are going to get the bad guys, right . Happened. Professor, artist, mom","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia903101.us.archive.org\/21\/items\/MSNBCW_20191229_060000_Dateline_Extra\/MSNBCW_20191229_060000_Dateline_Extra.thumbs\/MSNBCW_20191229_060000_Dateline_Extra_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240617T12:35:10+00:00"}