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MSNBCW Deadline White House July 21, 2017

Love him. So well get that message out. I love the president. I obviously love the country and sean decided he thought it would be better to go. His attitude is anthony is coming in, let me clear the slate for anthony and i appreciate that about sean and i love him for it. I love the president. Im very, very loyal to the president. And i love the mission that the president has. If theres one thing we know about this president , he loves to be loved. Anthony scaramucci said the word love 14 times in his first appearance. Scaramucci was offered the position at 10 00 a. M. Today and spicer announced his resignation almost immediately. Spicer will stay on through august. Hes served as the face of the Trump White House since day one, a tenure difficult for those of us who have known him for years to watch. Trump often undermined spicer and stories came out about the president s displeasure about his performance. With us is glenn thrush who broke the news about spicers resignation. Jonathan swann from axios, he was the first to report that the president was going to hire scaramucci. And glenn, talk about how seans resignation was part of a larger internal power struggle. Well, it always is, right . Yes. Its like the gangs of new york. Literally. So its you know, from what were hearing again, the lines are not that well defined. But apparently jared, ivanka and wilber ross are close to scaramucci and close to the old crew from the campaign. But ivanka and wilbur ross have been dissatisfied with sean who was a proxy for Reince Priebus the chief of staff so this was a significant power move. It was not unrelated to the ouster of Marc Kasowitz as the president s lead counsel and mark corallo as the spokesman. It represents sort of a move i think by the jared wing to reassert itself and we should say both priebus and bannon were dead set against this. And the president in no Uncertain Terms i am told informed them that it wasnt their decision. Jonathan swann, its a tale i have lived through, going rogue. And its certainly the president s prerogative to do so but its a job i have held. And if you are simply representing a faction even if it includes the president himself, theres still plenty of land mines. Talk about the kind of internal situation that scaramucci walks into as he seizes his New Territory in the west wing. Well, glenn summed it up pretty well. Reince priebus, you know, the whole message today that had the meeting in sean spicers office. My sources in the room tell me that reince, sean and scaramucci lined up together behind seans desk and gave this, you know, were all on the same team. We love each other. And reince gave the whole we have been friends forever speech. But its phony. Its just phony. Okay . Yes, they have known each other for a while, but reince fought like a dog to stop this happening. Steve bannon was telling people it wasnt going to happen. As recently as last night and into this morning. They really tried to kill this, sean did as well and they failed. The president had made up his mind. I just add to that group that glenn mentioned before, hope hicks who im told is very excited about this move. So i think that reince has been significantly disempowered by this and bannon is in a very difficult position at the moment. They have to suck it up and work with him because the president made his decision and if it gets to the president through jared that theyre trying to undermine him, thats not going to be good for them at all. They all undermine each other around the clock. Let me play the sound of Anthony Scaramucci talking about his own feelings about reince. He thinks theyre brothers. Lets watch. Theres been some speculation in the press about me and reince. So i want to talk about that very quickly. Reince and i have been personal friends for six years. We are a little bit like brothers where we rough each other up once in a while which is totally normal for brothers. A lot of people here in have brothers so you get that. Hes a dear friend. I met with him before we sat in the oval office and we are committed as truth professionals to the team and the process of getting the administrations message out. Peter alexander i think its no secret that this president views success in large part in terms of how things look and it is no secret that with jay sekulow he thinks he has someone who looks like a better cable news warrior and i think the same could be said of scaramucci. In scaramucci he has someone who looks like a smoother, more affable messenger whether he sees it as under siege or not, but slayed cnn over a report over scaramucci. Talk about how scaramucci checks all of the boxes that are important to the president regardless of the fact that he has scant sort of Traditional Communications skills. Yeah, no, hes never been a Communications Guy before but hes clearly a good communicator. What is particularly striking as we heard Anthony Scaramucci today to me is that in effect he kind of speaks the way the president might think he speaks. Its like the president looking at himself in the mirror in effect, right . This is a new yorker, a brash guy, a smooth talker in his eyes. Even after the fact, my colleague from Cnbc Eamon Javers said to him, how did it feel to be on the podium for first time let me guess, i loved it. Well, yeah, not too far off. Much the same way that President Trump mights than question. Scaramucci told him, i have to decide if its Julie Roberts or Sofia Vergara play me in the movie. You can see when scaramucci left the podium plowing a kiss hes blowing a kiss up there hes comfortable up there. I would not be surprised if you see scaramucci on tv a lot more often. The president has said privately he would watch spicer conduct those briefings in this room and sean for months did his best because he effectively be graded when he went back upstairs. You saw the notes passed to sean, hey, youre getting the hook and they would end it. With scaramucci he gets someone whos a lot more i think in his eyes like himself. He gets the opportunity to reboot things and frankly at the end of the chaotic six months i think he gets someone that he thinks can help sort of smooth or calm the waters at least for the near term going forward. The bottom line is smooth and affable as he does it doesnt answer the question of how truthful hell be and thats what their responsibility is. Glenn, let me talk about sean spicer for a second because i think scaramucci in a savvy way went out and changed the story. Right, wed have a story about a shakeup and on his way out and now we have the first performance to chew on. Lets look back on some of spicers you know, most talked about moments. This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe. The president himself called it i understand. Are you confused . No, i think the words describing it are the way that the press is saying it. Ill let the tweet speak for itself. I think the president s tweets speak for themselves. Youve got russia. If the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight thats a russian connection. That everyone who has been briefed on the situation with respect to the situation with russia, republican, democrat, obama appointee, they have come to the same conclusion, april, you have to take no for an answer as to whether or not there was collusion. Sean, sean wait a minute. Sean i know you hate to talk about it, but im going to do it anyway. Also it became part of pop culture when sean spicer and you were parodied for your rapport shall we say in the briefings. But sean actually created something that not just political junkies could grab on the, this idea of sort of an unfortunate soul defending the indefensible oftentimes. Yeah. This is an obscure reference. He was like the basel faulty from faulty towers of american politics. He was you sometimes got the feeling you were watching a man who was under such pressure from behind him and in front of him that you werent sure hed make it through the briefing. To a certain extent, a test of pure Human Emotion you have to give him a lot of credit. I have known him for a lot of years hes a good guy that we know. But it gets back to the pressures of the job. I mean, scaramucci debut. Really . The pressure of the job or the pressure of this president . No no. I mean the pressures of the job under this president. Right. You are serving, we dont matter. You know, the podium should be turned around and face Donald Trumps office. Because that is because it is a command performance every single day. Now scaramucci heres the one thing i will say. Scaramucci has a chance only because hes elevated to a level. He comes in at a level that while hes not a peer of donald trump, hes an outsider, hes a businessman, hes made money. Trump has more respect for him. Hes from new york, they speak the same language. Scaramucci will be successful insofar as he can do things that only few people can do change Donald Trumps mind. If hes able to do that, if trump can make some adjustments then i give him a chance. If not, then hes a flicker look to this. Do you want to weigh in about whether reince is someone who is perhaps loading his resume up to monster. Com today or is he hunkered down for the long haul . Look, this is just the perpetual phase of being Reince Priebus. I mean, this has been the story thats consistently been the story since the administration began. Frankly, even before that straight after the election we were getting calls from sources speaking to the president and hed be venting about reince. Its something that he likes to do. He pops off, he disparages him. Hed do the same thing with sean spicer. That doesnt mean hes necessarily gone tomorrow. But i mean, the fact is the president showed throughout this process showed a fair amount of disrespect to him. Reince was not really in the loop for a lot of this planning. He found out about it pretty late in the piece. And its he was obviously completely rolled by the president. So its bad to that extent. Another thing i would flag, i think it would be very interesting to see what scaramucci does with the team. Who he brings in. I wouldnt be surprised if he brings in some big names. Well see. Peter alexander, let me get to you about something that certainly folks were guilty of oftentimes of solving the wrong problem. I think its clear that in scaramucci the president has someone who is affable and someone smooth in front of the camera, but the structural problem in the room youre standing in right now has nothing to do with the smoothness or lack thereof of spicer. Its about his access to the president , about him saying something it was undermined by the president on twitter. In the same news cycle. Affirming the president as someone who was fired less than 4 hours later i mean, they have solved a press problem when they have a substance problem. I think youre right. The change is really the wrapping paper. Its the product, the substance, the president that most are concerned about. Nobody voted for spicer or scaramucci or Sarah Huckabee sanders. They voted for or against President Trump. And with 36 of americans right now approving of him, hes obviously got limited support in this country. His base stays strong. The challenge for those in the room is to try to deliver that message. This is the greatest sort of megaphone, the greatest Communications Device in the world, but if its used the way it has been used by this white house in the course of the last six months where the president says one thing thats in direct conflict with the people who are speaking on his behalf, it ends up shooting the wrong direction and theyre selfinflicted wounds. So the real challenge for them isnt just their ability to better communicate the message, but to be in agreement and see if you can keep the president himself in that same lane. That will make him more than a Communications Director. It will make him a miracle worker. Thank you to glenn thrush. Two im holding hostage on the set, Shannon Pettypiece and National Affairs analyst, jen palmieri is here and in washington, robert traynham, a former Senior Adviser to bush cheney. For a day like today we have all reporters and former white house or Campaign Communications strategists because i think its the kind of day to talk about what this is and isnt. This is a personnel change. This is not any change to the man you cover, President Trump. No. We saw the new guy on the job do the exact same thing as everybody else did on the job which is flatter and praise this president. You heard Anthony Scaramucci talking about the president all the love. Being the best political communicator. Talk about throwing a football is that a saying a threefoot putt. No one believes that. Why lie about that stuff . Well, we dont know its a lie. But hes putting out there that, you know, trumps own best version of himself. Yeah. You know, today was easy, but as we have already discussed the questions only get tougher about russia. What flummoxes spicer and Sarah Huckabee sanders on a lot of the i das that the questions theyre getting asked dont have good answers on russia. There are no good answers because theres no way to spin its. Thats where his job gets tough and it will be tougher to please his boss as well. We are still living in a dramatic roll back of press access. I didnt hear him announce that the briefings would be televised. Yeah, they wont commit to that. Of course, you know, to your point and yours about, you know, well, you dont change the president. You have the Communications Director who has no experience in washington. No experience with congress. No experience with communication. He has some relationships with reporters but not great ones. Filling a job that has been vacant for months if Anthony Scaramucci was the dream guy for this job, why wasnt he put in there months ago or maybe in january . They have been desperate to find a job for him. They have been desperate to fill this role so here we are. It doesnt mean this is going to be a match made in heavien. I have a theory on one of the reasons he got the job. This is my time with anthony a few weeks back. The president feels vindicated. I think the facts why . Well, i think comey admitted several questions that he was not under investigation, that the president himself is not under investigation. And so i think that but thats not what what hes accused of. His orbit is accused of having ties with russia. Listen, i think thats a hoax. Ding ding ding. These thinks the russia probe is he thinks the russia probe is a hoax. So does donald j. Trump. A man reflecting his boss views. A guy who will say what donald trump thinks about the things. I think there are relevant things to say about this. One of them this is guy who they have been trying to get into this administration for a long time. Back in january, the discussion was he was going to be the Valerie Jarrett in the white house. Right. He was going to be the liaison head of opl. Right. He was selling his company. There were some chinese bankers, some questions about that. So that got pulled back. And at that time the internal forces worked against him. He had strong internal staffers who fought against him. They fought against him too, but trumps desire to have him overrode it. Just in june, he got appointed to the bank. So that was supposedly the solution he was going to work at the xm bank, probably a better fit than this. Whats the one thing that makes him potentially powerful at least in the white house . Hes rich. And if you i would have thought of that last. But the staffers who matter to trump. Why does bannon retain a lot of his power, one reason is that trump looks at bannon and said that guy made a couple of hundred million dollars. Why is gary cohn powerful . A rich guy. Scaramucci is worth probably north of 1 billion. So could be worth more than donald trump in fact. Probably. I think that gives him something that is important in the white house. Which is the stature the private plane. And have the president take him seriously. Whether he does a good job or not i dont know. Does the president look at you as a functionary or as something of a peer . That is one asset that he brings here which is that the president will look at him in this respect and it matters to donald trump. He will talk to him as a peer and not as an underling. Jen, i know the president was eager, exasperated by the lack of effective messengers on television fighting for him and obviously when he gets in scaramucci i think hes the host of his own show on fox business. Hes a veteran sort of a cable cowboy if you will. And that matters that matters to trump. Theres two advantages that he he has. Dont look at the screen. Not safe for work. Hes rich. You know, and hes very effective on television. So those are two those are two talents that he brings that will serve him well. But, you know, as im sure you and i both know hes influential to be the communication director in the white house, as important as they are, thetory the story not normally important. It is in this case because you know its so important to donald trump. Right . Right. Before he couldnt get in the white house but now trump is so concerned about appearances and press that theyre allowing scaramucci in. I think, you know, whats underlying that and the bigger story really is its the legal team. And getting rid of the lawyers, the Spokes Person for the lawyers. Whether they quit themselves because they were uneasy about how this was going or they were fired. This shows the real concerns here is where the russia investigation and mueller is going. Robert traynham, let me bring you into the conversation. We have had a lot of conversations about where the red line would have been in if we had been in seans shoes. In the end he did not quit because he was asked to smear bob mueller. He did not quit because he was asked to lie from the podium about the size of the inauguration crowd.

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