Right . And then there was the remarkable sight on the campus at Harvard University yesterday at a forum featuring top trump and clinton aides. An event held every four years and usually a civil affair where former rivals come together to get debriefed about the election. This year, it devolved into shouting matches over the popular vote, the media, and the race itself or the issue of race, especially when it topic of trump Senior AdviserStephen Bannon came up. He gets held to a standard that none of these other folks are held to. If providing a platform for White Supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician, im glad to have lost. Give me a minute, david. Im more proud of Hillary Clintons altright speech than any other moment on the campaign because she had the courage to stand up. I would rather lose than win the way you guys did. No, you wouldnt. No, you wouldnt. Thats very clear today, no, you wouldnt. Do you think i ran a camplain where White Supremacists had a platform . It did. Kellyanne, it did. Do you think you could have just had a decent message for the White Working Class voters . You think this woman who has nothing in common with anybody he flipped over 200 counties president obama won that donald trump just won. Lets get into it. You guys are pathetic . Thats a great line. Kellyanne conway accused the clinton team of being sore losers. Lets listen. I can tell youre angry, but wow. I mean, hash tag, hes your president , hows that. I was asked 100 times on tv. Theyre all here, maybe 1,000 times. Will he accept the election result . Will you . Will you ever accept the results. Will you tell your protesters hes their president too. I have more sound. Im joined by casey hubt akasie susan page, and howard fien. Thank you. The tenor of this, this is usually some intellectual thing where they sit among the swells from harvard. This is raw, bitter gutter fighting. Usually, this is polite. Polite would be a word. It was not polite yesterday. The trump people were in the room because they wanted acknowledgment that they won this election. They didnt really get it beforehand. They didnt get any credit, and they, if anything, came to gloat a little bit. The clinton people were just downtrodden. Nay were there to defend her honor. It was very clear they all felt very emotionally invested and devastated and were not past the election. You could see the culture clash that was on display throughout the entire campaign was on stark display in the room. Even in the panels that were focused on the republican primary, where you had people who worked for republican candidates who might have sat across the table from Hillary Clinton and had a discussion like we have seen in past years. Rough stuff, but i can imagine the people who lost felt bad. They didnt like the looks. They didnt like david bossie saying they won. Hes pretty nasty in politics. They said youre the winner, the leader of our country . I can imagine what Jennifer Palmieri felt. I wouldnt say they have been polite, theyave been civil. Its not like they have been friendly. This forum always takes place about three weeks after the election when feelings are still pretty high. The clinton people thought they were going to win. For them, they had three weeks and they have not yet come to terms with. I do that at the end of the show tonight. It was too soon for an election which happened too quickly. Nobody knew it was going to happen. The trump people didnt know. Nobody knew this was going to go the way it did. Part of it is the shock of that defeat, as you say, that the clinton people havent come to terms with. I have been going to these things since 1984. I have moderated for panels. Theyre for history as well as students. To lay down the first draft of history from the sources. And i was there when the whole lee atwater controversy over the willy horton ad in the campaign of 88, that was raw, i modratded that panel, yet the situation was civil because there was a feeling in the room that, you know what. Were all in this together. This is one country. And as barack obama said somewhat naively on Election Night and soothingly, this was an intramural game. Well, the attitude at this thing from everything i have seen and the people i talked to on both sides was unforgiving. Its like were not even part of the same country, and its more like after a College Football game, lets say between ohio state and michigan, they hated each other before the game. They played the game, and now they hate each other afterwards. And its lack of civility in the campaign. Look, the clinton people believe fundamentally that trump is going to tear the country apart. This is apocalyptic like them. This isnt like George Hubert walker bush taking over. David bossie faulted the clinton teams approach. It get rougher. They made a calculated mistake if they had put out all of the emails, the Judicial Watch and vice news and citize s s united and others demanded and foia requested for the two years prior, two years prior to this campaign, they would have solved their own problem. Instead, they use the clinton playbook from the 90s. They drip, drip, drip, held it in internally. It was working strategy i guess. So they said why didnt you do the same thing on the tax returns . This is the weird thing about the thing. I thought the trump people, or the hillary people accused the media of not being for hillary. Im sorry, assuming hillary was going to win and being tougher on her than trump. This is kind of odd. Totally mixed up. I also think in the past the media, i know, having been at a lot of these, is kind of a passive observer. We werent the story in the past. But i gather here both at these events and the dinner the night before, the Media Coverage and where the media stood on this became one of the central issues of this whole debrief, which is fascinating. And there were no defenders of the dia. Democrats thought that the pss had been unfairly harsh on Hillary Clinton and too soft on donald trump. And the trump people felt that the media never took trump seriously, didnt give him a fair shake. Treated him in a dismissive way. And you know, the clinton people havent come to terms with her loss. The trump people did not play the traditional role of gracious winners. Neither of them had gotten off their campaign stances, even though the election is over. Is this because these people, well, we covered it for twoory three years. They have lived it in the bunker for two years. The people in brooklyn, robby mook, thats all their life is. Then they see a new life emerging which isnt the one theyre in. Theres a world where trump wins. They say suicide people comes from people, not from Horror Stories in their life, but from something completely different than they expected to happen and they cant take it. Its like they cant take the reality of today. When i started covering Hillary Clintons campaign six months ago, i went to brooklyn and talked to her top staff. One thing i heard over and over again, we feel an enormous weight to not screw this up. If we screw up this campaign, donald trump will be the president of the united states. Their view of that was, as you said, very different from if it was jeb bush or marco rubio. And the reality is, theyre still sorting through, remember, this was a Campaign Managers forum about what was going on in the campaign. Do they have to blame themselves . Youre right. A good freudian thinking, but in the end, the person you blame is this one. The trump and clinton aides also bat 8ed over the significance of trumps popular vote loss. Thats an argument everybody is having right now. I would say hillary did win the popular vote, so were talking about a majority of the country. Purely factual. Why does that matter . Listen, you guys won. Thats clear. You want the electoral college. Lets also be honest. Dont act as if you have some popular mandate for your message. This is just fighting words. As you said, hasnt changed, ohio state against michigan. Havent changed. But from clintons point of view, the clinton camps point of view, whats going to end up happening is that the preElection Night polling, which predicted that hillary would win by two or three points is true. Is true. She didnt win in the right places. From the trump side, look, they were branded as illegitimate, that they didened deserve to be in the race. That trump was something completely outside of politics. To continue the football analogy, theyre spiking it in the end zone repeatedly because after having been told they didnt know what they were doing, they didnt deserve to be in politics, that they were unqualified and disructive in a way we have never seen in american politics before, they won. What was Kellyanne Conways answer to every criticism . We won. I love your analysis. So interesting, and a separate panel at harvard, Corey Lewandowski, hes back, had a message by the way, the guy that never got paid, he was there, too. They had a comment, we shouldnt have taken everything the candidate said so literally. This is a new kind of journalism. Dont listen to the words. Think through what he really meant. This is the problem with the media. You guys took everything donald trump said so literally. And the problem with that is the American People didnt. And they understood it. They understood that sometimes when you have a conversation with people, whether its around the dinner table or at the bar or its wherever it is, youre going to Say Something and maybe you dont have all the facts to back it up, but thats how American People live. This is a new challenge to journalism. If he says Something Like jesus in the bible, what he really meant was, he didnt mean this, he meant that. How do we report that . Its hard to report. We need to take things literally because when people are president , their words matter. I actually think the analysis which i first saw in an article in the atlantic, voters took trump seriously but not literally. Reporter took trump literally but not seriously. I think thats about right. How do you do it . You have to understand that voters were less consumed when he said things that were demonstrably untrue. Let me try that out. When he said obama wasnt really an american citizen, he snuck in from another country. How are we supposed to translate that to what he meant . Were supposed to say thats not true, but were also supposed to understand how its resonating with some voters. You have to do both. What is the message hes saying we should report on . Tell me. The message we should report on is there continues to be an effort by people who are so opposed to president obama theyre willing to peddle a discredited theory. The problem is that it ais allows trump to have it both ways. Hes the guy on the bar stool, im going to get off jesus and compare him to the guy on the bar stool. Declaiming that guy is going to be president. Dont pay any attention to that guy. Pay attention to the guy with the action plan. When trump says he has an action plan to make America Great again that he just said in cincinnati, does he mean it . Does he mean it when he says mexicans are rapists . He didnt mean rapists . What is the interpretation. Were at the u. N. , were going to translate it. People are going to go to trump as an instrument to bash the establishment, no matter what he said. Kasie, you were there every day. In that panel that Corey Lewandowski made these comments in, one of the republicans who lost to trump said, look, americans, they didnt care what your policy was to fix anything or do anything. They wanted to burn the house down and then figure out what to do with the ashes afterward. Thank you, kasie hunt, susan page, and howard fineman. Coming up, trumps victory rally in cincinnati was a sign of things to come for the next four years. He spent the night blasting the media. Thats ahead, and this is hardball, the place for politics. vo when i brought jake home, i wanted him to eat healthy. So i feed jake purina cat chow naturals indoor, a nutritious formula with no artificial flavors. Made specifically for indoor cats. Purina cat chow. Nutrition to build better lives. Lets just get a sandwich or something. Or something . 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Really a no thank you rally to the media. While its been neary a month since he won, hes continued to rail against the Mainstream Media, now mocking them, us, i guess, for wrongly predicting the outcome of the election. As plit row reports, trumps number one message is i told you so. Heres a look at what he had to say last night. How about i mean, how dishonest. How about when a major anchor who hosted a debate started crying when she realized that we won. How about it. Tears. Oh, tell me this isnt true. Think of it. We won in a landslide. That was a landslide. And we didnt have the press. The press was brutal. Remember, you cannot get to 270 the dishonest press. That person is doing the map. And that person was saying for months that theres no way that donald trump can break the blue wall, right . We didnt break it. We shattered that sucker. In effect, trump is continuing the rhetoric of the campaign. However, it appears his attacks are a prebuttle against the media to lower expectations for his incoming administrations press, the kind of press its going to get. Im joined by david korn and aldar deans, former chair of the republican party. It seems to me its called riding the ref. Whatever your hear from the new york times, which he fairly despises, would like to see go out of business, whatever youre reading, dont believe it. They crap all over me and thats all it is. A few conclusions. Healing the country is not yet a top priority in the incoming administration. And two, this is it. I mean, he wants to make sure he can talk to the populist crowd in their language. This rally stuff is his addiction. I think youll see more of it, even during his term in office. Youre going to see constantly the rallies feeding the needs he may have. Look, the optimistic me says as long as they can govern right with the right people in place, ill live with the aggravation, but it wont heal the country. The country needs more than that. David. He has no interest in healing the country, unfortunately. He came to prominence pushing a racist conspiracy theory. He ran a campaign of hate and fear, misogyny, bigotry, and hes going to govern or rule as president in the same way. He, according to every fact checker, lied so much more than any other politician, he broke the record of all politicians for telling lies. So he doesnt want the media to Pay Attention to him. He wants to keep dismissing it, which is a play out lets talk about the logic. Is he trying to destroyhe fact checking. He would like to see no print newspapers. I think thats fair. Theres not a single page whose editorial page endorsed him. Sheldon adelson. Youre making a skroek. He doesnt like print reporters. You will find out he believed he got his message out in the Digital Media world. He believes you and the traditional Mainstream Media are a nuse nls and he doesnt need you. If he discredited you, he has another outlet. At the point in time the live coverage at the rallies helped him out a lot. The live rallies that were unfiltered and unevaluated in the first couple months. Things people were shouting at jeff zucker about, he doesnt want to be called on the fact he doesnt care about that. He said he won in a landslide. What does he mean . No, he lost the popular vote. If you look at the list of they cheered him. Because i think its like im not a mead ucritic. At fox, they say were fair and balanced. Thats not what they mean. They mean we balance out the liberal media. We know what they mean. I get the feeling its not a dog whistle. Its like you know what theyre really saying. Trump talks in this language, its not that he really did. Its like screw you. I didnt win in a landslide, but im going to say it. Do they think they won in a landslide . I they think some of them do. You could say i won 30 states and more. Heres your case study, chris. The other day, he said millions of people voted illegally in the race. Now, thats not true. Yeah. His campaign cited studies that didnt say that. On cnn yesterday, had this wonderful video. I hate to tout a competitor, in which one of the reporters talked to trump voters and they said, of course, hes right. If there were 3 million illegal, i assume, hispanic voters who voted in california, right . Thats where the big plurality was for hillary, how come they didnt vote for Loretta Sanchez . Why didnt she roll it up . She lost. There werent 3 million illegal people voting out there. There just werent. This gets back to your question. He said it. His people believe him. Despite any evidence. They even say, we heard it reported on cnn when it wasnt. Thank you. When we return, let me finish with what happened between the trump and clinton campaigns at harvard. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Diabetes can be a daily struggle, even if youre trying your best. Along with diet and exercise, oncedaily toujeo® may hel