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policemen in new york with a hatch hatchet. An american doctor back from west africa becomes this countrys fourth person diagnosed here with ebola. Its friday night, october 24th, a week before the elections. Were going to our friday night roundtable to try to put it all together, if we can and how its coming together in the minds and psyches of our fellow citizens, if thats even possible. We start with the latest news from marysville, washington. A reporter from the Seattle Times out there joins us now by phone. Jennifer, thank you. You know, were trying to get a fix on who did the shooting today. Can you tell us about the young person who did it . Reporter yes, weve been told his name is jaylen fryberg. Hes about 14 years old, from the tribes reservation up in marysville. From what we understand from our sources, he went into the cafeteria, around 10 45 this morning and opened fire. He shot and killed a young girl,
a girl who were reporting, rejected him for a date. What about the other four people that were rounded . Are they in critical care, or situations now . How are they doing in terms of life support . Reporter we have two children still at Providence Medical Center in dire condition. Two others have been transported to seattle to a trauma center. One of them shares the same last name as mr. Fryberg, and weve heard is a relation, but were not certain how. Im looking at these rather rough tweets that came out of mr. Fryberg, the young boy. It looked like there was a lot going on in this young guys life. Is it too early to figure out what motivated this pulling a gun on people he knew well, including the girl he was after, it seems. This is an amazing eruption of passion and anger and violence. Yet we have scant information about what might have caused it. Were not sure. Mr. Fryberg, it seems, had
everything going for him. He was elected to the Homecoming Court last week. He was a star football player. Very popular young man, well known in the community. His parents, very, very well known. His mother was on the school board. His parents were members of the tribe, very well known family. The fryberg family is very well known in marysville. What led him to do this . We understand a girl rejected him for a date. If you look on his twitter feed, there was a lot of anger in the last few days. Is she the one that was killed . Yes, there is a girl who was 14 who was killed. Let me ask you about the ethnic factor. What about the racial aspects of this story . Do we know anything yet . Reporter i dont think we know anything about the racial aspect. Mr. Fryberg is a native american. This community is a school of 2,000. Theres many students who come from the reservation that go to school there. Theres many, many students who dont live on the reservation who go there. Mr. Fryberg, from what we
understand was a well known, popular kid, and were not sure, other than maybe just simply a girl who rejected him, was the reason for this. That happens all the time, but this kind of violence is rarely the reaction. Anyway, thanks so much. Well know more in the days ahead. Jennifer, thank you for that spot reporting. Thank you. Joining me now, psychology jeff gardere and security expert anthony roman. Jeff, what does this tell you when you see a case like this . Well, certainly a lot of rage going on. And even though this young man is known to have been very popular, a lot of that may have been a facade for maybe a very unstable personality. But one thing it does tell us, and i know you know this, it begins to break the mold of what we used to see of school shooters, being isolated, being perhaps bullied. We dont know whether that has something to do with it, but basically people who are disaffected with severe mental illness, and this seems to be breaking all of those profiles,
unless theres a lot we dont know and im sure theres a lot we dont know as to what may have been brewing in this young mans mind and in his life with this young lady. From what we know of suicide, and this was basically a part of it, a suicidal attempt here, because weve seen evidence he may have been saying goodbye to people and all that, but im trying to figure out here, ive always been told that suicide doesnt come from a depressed reality, as much as it comes from a shocking change in your circumstances. Could the young girls rejection at the age of a freshman in high school be sufficient a motive to kill her and others and yourself . I think it might add to the drama that someone with an unstable personality is going through. Because, again, youre absolutely right. If everything is happening in a very calm, smooth way for this individual, and all of a sudden thats ruptured by perhaps a young woman who scorns him, or something in his life isnt following what hes used to
having, as far as an orderly progression, or some sort of a progress in his life, then that can cause him to go over the edge, especially if this is someone, again, with a fragile personality, that we just didnt know was that ill. We all grew up with Richard Corey about the guy who had everything going for him, then goes and shoots himself. Do you think the subject and the object are very different . We dont know what a persons feeling based on being freshman class prince or whatever he was. And playing on the football team. Which normally would be the signs of happiness and success and a good social life. But we dont know, do we, what he was thinking, feeling, living . Jeff . Oh, well, yes. Absolutely. I believe this was an individual who very much had a facade. And perhaps being this, you know, being in the student
court, being the prince, named to the fumble team and so on, has a lot to do with covering up a lot of feelings and using that in many ways to keep a structure in a life that may be falling apart. And so when the seams begin to show, when the public begins to see that maybe all of this is a mirage, then that person may feel suicidal, may feel that selfdoubt. The selfesteem is crushed and it may push them over the edge. The other thing is, we just dont know whether he had Mental Health issues. Was he on any psychiatric meds, or antidepressants. Theres a lot we dont know. As those pieces come together, well begin to build the real profile of this individual. Dr. Jeff gardere, thank you for joining us. Lets go to anthony roman. Give me a sense now. It seems like schools dont have metal detectors and im told you cant have one without somebody standing there, dealing with a kid who comes in with a gun and has to take it off them, tell them to go away, or what. Is there any way to keep guns out of school cafeterias, to be blunt . There isnt a 100 method of protecting any facility or preventing guns from entering the facility. What you do is create layers of deterrents. You make it more difficult for the individuals. But more importantly than the physical security in this particular circumstance, is understanding the young man who was suffering these problems. Clearly, based on some information weve developed on our way to the studio, it appears that the young man was suffering emotionally and that he had expressed that to many of his friends and colleagues. And it should have been selfevident that he was having some Serious Problems at that
time. If the schools would invest not only in upgrading security to a more professional level, one layer of deterrent, and then another layer of deterrent is the Mental Health issue, in which schools should reinvest in social workers, in peer Group Leadership programs, in physicians, psychiatrists and psychologists who can help these children during times of stress. They dont have to wait until theres stress. They can run in counter groups and discussion groups in which the kids deal with everyday problems, so they diffuse and learn to manage their problems as time goes on. And as they progress during their formative years. We never had any of this stuff growing up. We never had counsellors and shrinks hanging around the campus. You went to school, you got your
grades, you played sports, or in the band like i did and you went home. Which schools have the money to have the groups youre talking about, the professionals, the psychologists, the social psychologists, the psychiatry that youre describing as necessary to prevent this incident . How many schools have that kind of money . They dont have the money. As a matter of fact, all of the programs are being cut down. I know. Ive had experience in the School Systems in which children that i know need help in the formative years, in elementary school. And without help, some of these children would suffer some very Serious Problems in the future. It becomes selfevident in the elementary schools. So i think, at this juncture, we have to examine how high a cost is too high . How many bodies in schools are too many before we i am telling you, theres not a person watching right now,
that wasnt heartsick over a romance starting around 12. Youve been through it, ive been through it, the girl doesnt like you, the one you like, the boy doesnt like you, the one you like, this is life. Its called growing up. How do you separate the normal romantic rejections, the unrequited love, we call it. How do you separate that from a felony, a mass shooting thats about to occur . Well, that is not always guaranteed that one can be able to do that. But its training the children who are not having that kind of training in the normal family environment, to deal with the emotions and to deal with them properly, so they can mature in a proper way. In addition to that, coupling in school security, as you say. Do you need, you know, metal detectors as you walk into every school . Thats very ob trucive and we dont really want to see those in the school. But if we have security guards
and there are security guards in high schools in most high schools today. If we offer them additional training in how to spot kids with problems. These security guards often know the children on a different level than the teachers do and can often spot the kids that are having trouble. And can act as a big brother or big sister in circumstances like this, and preempt some of the problems themselves. So perhaps we can use some of the resources we have in place today, with a little bit of an investment, and a little bit more training for those security guards. Thanks so much for coming on this friday night. Anthony roman, what a night this has been. When we come back, the other big stories, none of them good. Ebola in new york city. Well find out how the virus geths spread. And the new rules put in effect today after this happened. Also, president obama meets the texas nurse, nina pham, whos been declared ebolafree. That is good news. And this is hardball. Hey tony, dad go wide
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institutes of health in bethesda, and went to the oval office and met with president obama. Meanwhile, in new york, a doctor diagnosed with ebola in Bellevue Hospital in new york city. Mayor bill de blasio rode the subway this morning, encouraging new yorkers to not be afraid. Late today, a mandatory twominuteday quaranti21 day quarantine for passengers arriving from west africa. We believe its appropriate to increase the current screening procedures for people coming from affected countries. From the current cdc screening procedures. We believe it is in the state of new york and state of new jerseys legal rights to control access to their borders. We will establish an interview and screening process to determine an individuals risk
level, by considering the Geographic Area of origin, and the level of exposure to the virus. Depending on the risk level, a person could require mandatory, 21day quarantine, or at a government regulated facility. Joining me now, dr. Nina radcliffe. Thank you for joining us. I guess the questions that people have now, they have real questions about the authority of anyone to tell us how you can get it and how you cant. Is it absolutely ironclad we know how you get ebola . Yes, it is. What we know is by science, is that it can only be contracted by bodily fluids. Fec feces, vomit, blood, and saliva. What about somebody sneeding next to you on the subway. Was he able to transmit it by sneezing . Two things. First of all, his viral counts were probably very low. And he probably was not having
the symptoms of coughing and sneezing. Its not an airborne disease. Yes, although it possible to transmit it by saliva, at this time, it is unlikely. So what do you do if youre on a plane or subway who is sneezing . Assume they have the cold or flu . We know its a minimal risk of getting ebola because youre on the subway, youre touching this persons bowling ball, or if youre going to the grocery store. Its a very minimal risk at this time. Why all the coverage tonight of the movement by new yorkers going around on the route this fellow took, over to brooklyn to bowl, he took three different subway lines, all listed in this mornings Washington Post. Why so much information on the tick tock here if he couldnt have transmitted it during that time . Are we being overzealous . We need to understand while people dont have symptoms, theyre not contagious. This person posed a minimal risk
of committing other people. He was not vomiting. He was not having diarrhea. He did not have a high viral count. We need to remember that and focus on the science, and not the fear of this. This is not an airborne disease. Thank you very much. People wanted to hear that. Lets bring in our roundtable tonight. Its friday night, well have the roundtable. Jonathan allen, Washington Bureau chief for bloomberg. Emily, a reporter at the national journal. And also politics editor at usa today. Start with jonathan here and this question of ebola. We now have a czar. His name is ron klain. Most of us know him. You can call him an operative, if you want to be dismissive. Hes a lot more than that. A public servant, comes in when hes needed. Tried to win the recount in florida, lost it to a strong opponent, jim baker. But hes reliable. Is he going to be a leader or a flag, someone that speaks the language that someone else wants him to speak . Probably a little bit of
both. Hes highly regarded inside the white house. Hes been mentioned as a possible white house chief of staff in the past and this may be a stepping stone to that for him. But i also think hes somebody whos a lot better at articulating what the administration wants out there as a message, than some of the people that have been delivering it so far, including dr. Frieden at the cdc whose had some difficulty doing that. Will he have the ability to change the way the government does things, or make a better case afor the way theyre alreay doing it . Will he be a fixer . The role is both. If he sees things to fix, hell have the power to do it, but also to articulate a little better. This white house is terrible with messaging. One of the problems is organization. Ive criticized okay, im traditional. Theres two ways to run a white house. The kennedy method, calling up
anybody to find out whats going on. Then the reagan method, a strong chief of staff who cracks the whip, and Everybody Knows their job and who their boss is. Which works here . Im waiting to clarify which way obama does things. Is there a chain of command . A president reaching out and checking with people . Its something that as weve watched this ebola crisis unfold, its been clear thats not really present. Youve seen theres been questions about whats going on where, about who knows what at what time . Obviously in dallas, we saw some of those issues coming to light. So now the idea that you do have somebody whos going to be a point person, who is going to be the person who theoretically all this is going to go through, should really help kind of keep that response more does he have the bureaucratic clout