Danger from by dividing those who claim a deep commitment to this country and those that argue there are others who do not . Lets find out tonight what Rudy Giuliani is getting to here. What is he failing to give us . Howard dean was chairman of the National Committee and michael teeth, chairman of the republican National Committee both msnbc analysts. Last night speaking to a group of conservatives, giuliani unloaded on the president s handling of terrorism. Anyway, there was more from giuliani today on fox news. Here he is. First of all, im not questions his patriotism. What im saying is i rarely hear him say how much hef loves america. Do i hear him cry im america much more on which than other president s. I also believe he doesnt express the love of western civilization or an understanding of western civilization or what its brought to the world. Governor . Whats he saying there . At the same time saying in some of course hes im not questions his patriotism. What does that all mean . You know, i actually have come to know rudy in our postpolitical careers, and i actually think hes serious. I dont think hes just kind of catering to the rightwing nut jobs. I think there is a disconnect between some people who just dont understand what barack obama is about. Its a shocking thing to say. I couldnt believe he doubled down the next day. I also what would you think if somebody said about you, you know, howard dean hes a liberal and by the way i dont think he loves this country. Right. I think frankly that stuff is so far out that only the hate wing of the Republican Party is going to accept that. Thats not very big. An average person do you have a radio in your car . Well, no, i dont listen but those people have rush limbaughs of the world have made their money on hate. Theyre listening and repeating it. He love it. Rush limbaugh has an evershrinking audience and its not an accident. Its not an accident that major corporations pull their advertising. I would never have said that george w. Bush doesnt love america. It wouldnt have occurred to me to say that. We had different views of what should happen in america, but i find this an astonishing thing to say. If i was his press secretary, i probably would quit. Most of us have respect for what they did on 9 11. I grew up with guys like him. I dont dislike the guy. I totally dislike what he just said. I kind of fall in that camp. Anytime you start a sense with i probably shouldnt say this you probably shouldnt say it. What comes next will not get good for anybody. Who is it good for . You think it was truly what he believed. That may by true, but what is this thing like he doesnt seem like Ronald Reagan or bill clinton. He touched on something. The way we look at a bill clint are not and Ronald Reagan, how they spoke and quaid their emotions about this country is clearly very different from this president. I would submit even with george w. Bush, who like howard said, you would never say he didnt love america i will try to find a smidgen of justice. Here is what i think theyre trying to talk about, you know, like the birthers like trump. His from africa, hes not one of us see, i think hes catering to the far right. I actually dont believe that trump believes that. What would the former mayor of new york saying with the current president doesnt connect with western civilization. Thats just gibberish. It sounds like intelligence design birtherism. I can hear you. [ applause ] i can hear you. The rest of the world hears you, and the people [ cheers and applause ] and the people who knocked they buildings will hear all of us soon. [ cheers and applause ] that was a thrilling moment for america. A thrilling moment of resilience, the people had just gone through hell, with all of those people dead, and theres the fire fighter laughing, too. Juxtapose that against the announcement by the white house of the beheading of american citizens and the killing more recently of the young woman. What was the president s actions after that . You think too cool for school . Too cool for school. That disconnect that howard referenced translates to a lot of americans. About you we hang that on you, did you reference that too cool for school . No i dont think thats what giuliani is talking about . Maybe. I never had a big problem with that. I think the president did what all president s do, shortly after we bombed the living hell out of isis and its been a sustained effort to this day. If you compare george w. Bush and barack obama, you get a very different demeanor, but you get the same action. No, you dont. People who harm america you only get half the action. Yes, the president bombed the enemy as he perceived it, but his communication to the American People was something that was lacking i think he should go a little more repairing, mr. Mayor. I do mean that. Just take it back. Anyway, outraged republicans typically point to three recent examples of white house soft talk. The first was some the president compared christianity to isis brew tality by invoking the crusades. Brutal, sishs death cult that in the name of religion compares humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human his theory, and lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. Anyway, the president is the seconds refusal to liable it islamic terrorism. We are not at war with islam. We are at war with people who have perverted islam. The terrorists do not speak for over a billion muslims who re they no more represent islam than any madman who kills innocents in the name of god, that represent christianity, jewel day itch, or hind itsism, buddhism. People are responsible for terrorism. Third is what state Department Deputy spokesperson marie hharf. We need to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether its lack of opportunities for jobs. We can work with countries around the work. We can help them build their economy so they can have Job Opportunities for these people. Well, anyway, the whole knock across the board from the republican side is that the president doesnt have a gut reaction to isis, to the behidings, to the burns alive. Were watching on television, people are angry beyond belief. Hes not i guess this is what its all about, that visceral rage. I guess thats it. I get it, i get it. Maybe it would be great if he did what george bush did or what bill clinton did. Hes right. First of all, the islam terrorists want us to call them islamists, why . That cloaks them in a religion that billions believe in. The president is luteally right to say this is not about islam. This is about a bunch of thugs and murderers and terrorists that we need to get rid of. That deprives them of the very rationale they are using to recruit people. Will said. The truth is the president is right on all three counts. I agree with you that he would do better if he would show some outrage. People like that, and probably he should, but he raps to be right on all three policies. The president may be right, but in the last 30 seconds you expressed it better than he has in the last two years. Thats the problem. Well said. We ought to coin what you just said. Its all propaganda both directions. Of course it is. Youre trying to win an argument. Obviously these people believe its part of their religion. They believe it. Theyre going to paradise. And thats i think personally that makes them crazy. Theyre using the tenets of a faith to justify their actions. And again, the president has the bully pulpit. He could use that that is a backdrop to help make that argument. But i think you said is very well and i will not speak longer on this. Thank you michael steele. Coming up the without is coming under fire. My question, why do they want president obama to brand this as an east versus west war. Analysts say they say that detecting a possible american accent of a masked man in a recent isis video, the one killing the coptic christians. And we have you too. You listen and decide whether you think this guy is talking american or not. Im questioning it. Finally its hardball politics at the oscars this weekend. The academy awards, hollywoods bigs night is sunday. Who are you sure is going to win . Well ask three journalists to make sure picks. Finally the unnecessary and wrong attack by giuliani on the president. 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When you have the situation where the commander in chief is putting our National Security at risk, because hes unwilling to say were at war with islamic terrorists, they can pretend as much, but we havent seen an administration so divorced from reality as this current one is. For his part president obama defended his careful word choice speaking at a summit on countering violent extremism. He said today they use islam to justify their and the west shouldnt play into the trap by prohot rho motting the idea that the west is at war with islam. These terrorists are desperate for legitimacy. All of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups lie isil somehow represent islam, because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist gnarl tiff. Groups like al qaeda and isil peddle the lies that some of our countries are hostile to muslims. Some communities never it feeds a cycle of fear and resentment. In and a sense of injustice upon which extremists prey. Ron fourier, and michael crowley, Senior Foreign Affairs gentlemen, is this a tempest in a teapot . What good will come if the president said, i will call them islam s. O. B. S, whatever you want to do, ill do it. What would be gained if he buckled and said im not going to stop delineating. He could say it for the next 48 hours over and over again, but it wouldnt kill one terrorist, but it will stop playing this game with republicans, stop taking their debate, stop letting them dominate the narrative here. But in the world, if he starts saying islamic bad guys, does that give the bad guys howard dean said a minute ago, the cover of being among the religious followers . No, thats a name. You know what they really want . They want us to declare war against them, and were about to. Then why should we do it . Were about to declare a war on isis. Thats what they really want. The idea were going to make them stronger by calling it slammic extremism is silly. Frankly, im not as much interested in the debate over how were going to talk about them, as opposed to how were going to kill them. He should be having the country focused on. Ive been trying to get people to tell me the last week how theyre going to kill isis. I havent heard the answer. You know why . Were talk talking about the talk instead of talking about the fight. We can have a conversation when i think i know the turf on which theyre trying to get traction. He is too cool for school. Hes almost sinatralike in his coolness. When hes in trouble politically, it drives people crazy. When are you going to get some excitement here . But politically, what are the republicans get out of what he was saying . Call it islam ofascism, this or that. Theyve been doing that for years. Theres this frame that republicans have constructed around obama that hes weak, not a leader, hes not facing up to the real problems in the world, that somehow he wants to negotiate with terrorists and bad guys. Is he an apologist for islam . No. Isnt that what theyre saying . I dont know what that means. Hes making a correct different jails between a bunch of crazy fanatics and an enormous worldwide religion. Are they driving by their religion house interpretation . Some are, definitely, no question. If you pay any attention to isis its clear a lot of religious zealots who can recite chapter and verse even if theyre completely warping and distorting it. Perverting it basically but they are fundamentally religious guys driven by theology, but that doesnt mean that we need to talk about it in those terms. There are good reasons why it doesnt make sense. The president is not just speaking to washington. He has a global audience. He wants to make clear to moderate muslims or even very devout muslims who are not violent, this isnt about us against your religion, and what is gain by using the language that republicans want . As long as were against. Two big things, one you explain to the American People exactly whats going on, which is this is a country this is a movement that is using the religion to try to destroy us. Two, you take off the table this demonization. Ily say theres a precedent on for that. We have the new york mayor saying he doesnt love america. Thats preposterous. Rudy giuliani, if youre watching, please take that back. Theres no reason to litigate that any further. I will say the white house has adopted your logic at least once. In september they wouldnt say we were at war, is this a war . And republicans started hammering on them, and they folded, and they said fine, were at war just to kill the controversy. Maybe well see that again. Its intellectually illogical we could call it islamic while were asking congress to pass a the president s refusal to label islamic terrorism means he doesnt get the problem were facing. Anyway, the president spent more time talking about how america is not at war with islam than he did laying out a credible ideology, americans understand, we are not at war with islam, but we will not defeat these fanatics if we refuse to define them for what they are, violent islamist extremists. That was pretty well said. Here was the front page of nos knolls. I dont like it. Islamic terror . I just dont see it. It just doesnt make sense. What difference does it make what language he uses . Everyone knows what this is about. What matters is the strategy, to kill them before they can hurt us. What are we doing to stand up a credible iraqi government. Does the president have the power to set the way we talk . I remember years ago Jesse Jackson in his higher, greater days, maybe he still is, he should use africanamerican than the words of the past. Once he said that, that was the official language, we all abided by. He had the power to do that. Can this president leading the fight against isis define a term and say we are not going to call it islamic terrorism. Would that mean anything . Or is he just out of touch . Can he set the term . You said he could. He could set the language. Its harder than it used to be, but axis of evil, who set that term . I think it was david fromme, one of the neocon writers. But for him to have the ability to convince america, to persuade americans, he cant let himself be the videos persuade people plenty. I dont think we need to spend so much time on the phrase. You never predict where you will go. Never can i. Thank you very much. Experts think a key figure in the latest video mav a connection to the west, may even be an americansounding person anyway. Im not sure. You decide. You with do it as well as the experts, i think maybe almost as well. Can you tell if this guy is one of us . This is hardball, the place for politics. Welcome back to hardball. Experts in the study of linguistic believe a key figure in the video released by isis may have some connection to the west. Filmed in libya, the video released sunday purported to show the execution of 21 christians, koppettist christians, an isisaffiliated speaker speaks to the camera in ink lish. He accent may provide some clues. Were joined by dr. John oregan, in applying linguistics at the institute of education, and michael sheehan. Lets listen now, all of us to an audio excerpt from that video. Its brief, so pay special attention to the sound, the tone of the militants voice. Recently youve seen us on the hills of hasham. That wasnt much. Doctor, whats your assessment of that person . You have to play Sherlock Holmes here. Well, i think that while this may not be an american accent of the kind that ive been listens to on your show for the past few minutes, its definitely an americanized accent. I would say this is somebody who could well have been educated in the states for some time. He might have a migrant