From the maximum security prison in new york. And sources familiar with the investigation tell nbc news that a prison employee Joyce Mitchell, was going to be the getaway driver for the escapees richard matt and david sweat, until she got cold feet. She said she helped because richard matt had charmed her because she thought it was love. So she will be charged in her role but for now, investigators are continuing to talk to her. The massive search effort continued today and remains junlds way at this hour in a heavily wooded perimeter not far from the facility where they escaped. Sources close to it told nbc news that search team are following on a lead that was developed late last night from a k9 unit for bloodhound who picked up the scent of one of the fugitives. It involves 500 people along with dog sniffing units. The schools were close asked people are urged to stay in their houses. John thank you for joining us. Why do they think theyre still pretty close . People familiar with the investigation tell us that Joyce Mitchell, this prison worker the female prison worker told investigators that she was supposed to be the getaway driver. She was supposed to provide the ride when these two guys popped up out of the manhole cover but she got cold feet. What the investigators words are to us chickened out and checked herself into the hospital with a panic attack. So they think they didnt get very far. They had to go on foot. Then last night a tip about the area, a few miles behind me. They get there with bloodhounds. They get a sense, a hit on the scent of one or maybe both of them. And thats why theyre focusing on that area. Theyve been in there doing a close grid search since sunrise. Several hours now, obviously, and so far, nothing. Chris . What about this wooded area . They have the perimeter marked off. A wooded area. You hear that. They cant see who is in there. Does that seem to be limited to that . Are they putting all their focus. In limited area in the forested area . Well we know thats where they are now. We know that the helicopters, weve got state, federal customs and Border Patrol helicopters in the area. Theyre not only strafing the search area. Theyre going back over other areas where they searched before. So theyre not focusing entirely on this area. Theyre still doing a general search of the surrounding areas as well. But the ground search the grid search where they go sort of at arms length through these areas, these fields these woods, thats in a fairly focused area. Let me ask but the public reaction. We reported a few minutes ago that people were being told to stay in their houses. Are people locking their doors for fear one of these two murderers might show up at their door or window . Weve been talking to people on the phone who are living this area. And they say they are. Theyre staying inside the house. School was canceled. As a matter of fact, one family. They got the call. The reverse 911 call saying school was canceled. He looked out the window and sees his house surround bid cars and people. He goes out there talking on guys from the fbi and he says hes been there since midnight. When we asked how hes getting along, he said the family is doing its best not to get on each others nerves but they talked about where the safest place to be was. They talked about going to a hotel and decided to stay put. What about the news somebody spotted one of these guys. Charles ramsey the police chief came out and said they have no renal to believe thats true. They think it is under founded. There are all sorts of problems. There was a cab driver who picked them up and took them to 30th street station but then picked up two other fares before he called 911. They had problems with it and Charles Ramsey said it was unfounded. Okay. Thank you. Nbc news caught up with Joyce Mitchells exhusband. They were divorced years ago. He would say to her now. You have a nice son. You screwed up everything. You had a nice house and everything. It looks like you had a nice job. Your life was being taken care of and you screwed it all up. Let me start with jesse and this question of grooming. What have you been able to find out the pattern in which prisoners try ingratiate themselves . Especially lifers are guards so they can get special things out of them. In this case an he is came route. It was interesting. The top com in the state of new york said these guys were model prisoners and theyve been in the honor wing of that prison. That requires to you lrn to the rules and listen to the ceos of all times. With that comes certain advantages and it appears they took advantage of it. Are those perks being able to wear street clothes . What are they . My understanding is it is stuff like watching television to be able to have a little extra time in the commissary to pick things out. They have to go through there. This in this case these two guys were considered to be reputable prisoners. If you can say it that much. They did take advantage of it. And in talking to sources that ive been in touch with they basically managed to ingratiate themselves with this woman, Joyce Mitchell and then use that relationship in ways that were not entirely clear about. To gain some sort of favor and get through prison wall. Im hearing dogs bark. The critical tip that set off todays search came from a canine unit about five miles to my west here. The canine units have been out in force. Ive seen several searches that have involved canines in other locations, theyre using these dogss a lot. There have been thunderstorms moving through. That tends to make that more difficult for the animals. You tell us the way a person would be able to ingratiate themselves. Establishing a romantic relationship even. They seem to have gotten the promise of a getaway car. Your question is how. It is remarkable. Lets start with that. I think if we just look at the color of the uniforms that these prisoners are wearing, green. And theyre surrounded by woods. So obviously somebody in this prison system is not thinking things through. And i dont want to slam anybody or throw anybody under the bus. We can start will and get an idea for the fact that it appears to me, we start with the uniforms and look at the relationship that was allowed to develop. They were able to get tools and get out of this thing. There is something broken inside that prison that is allowing these thing to go on. Do you know much about this term called grooming where hardened prisoners are able to develop relationships systematically with their guards . You have to remember these are two murderers. So theyre predators. And predators will do what they have to do. A lot of people there are psycho paths. Getting to wear civilian clothes, getting close to people that arent just prison guards. In this case, a prison worker which means she doesnt have the mindset of a prison guard per se. She has a civilian mindset that happens to be working in that facility. Let me start now. The age old technique. Is this what we have, the personal objects connected with them, their scent, and relying on the dogs to pick up the scent perhaps miles from the prison . You would be amazed at these dogs. Some of the people involved have said theyre invaluable. Their noses are so incredibly strong and efficient at getting scents. Until we develop a better technology, dog sniffing is one of the things. We have great work amongst the fbi, the local and state Law Enforcement and even the department corrections. Their s. W. A. T. Type groups out there. And then you have these dogs. It really comes down to the grid searches, having a large grid and then certain type of input from locals. And i have to hand it to them. Theyre not letting of the of the fact that they kofld north. I think the canadians are involved. It could mean they go further. I wonder if they got a break the and hitchhiked. People still hitchhike. I used to do it. If they did, they could be to the canadian bored near couple hours. Any way, thank you. Coming up Hillary Clinton may have found an issue to run on that fires up the left and the center. She is student loan reform the core of her campaign. Another big move perhaps to the left. She is working on an issue which is important that Elizabeth Warren has been championing and pioneering. Hes talking about a law that allowed unwed mothers to publish their sexual history in a local newspaper when putting their child up for adoption. That doesnt seem like good idea. Jeb bush should have vetoed that bill and he did not. Also the mentally ill musical genius of the beach boys. It is called love and mercy. The director is with us tonight. Finally let me finish with this student loan issue myself. 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Shell double down on her rollout message that the deck is stacked in favor of those at the top by saying wealth isnt just for ceos and hedge funld managers. The big goal is to frame this as a choice. Of course the president of emilys list which has endorsed Hillary Clintons bid. Thank you for coming on. How do you sense this. Has she found a way to move to the more populist side by talking about ghangs in the economy . Well lets remember that Hillary Clinton has spent her entire career working for women and families starting at the childrens defense fund. A lot of what youll hear this weekend is her deep history, being a progressive. And yes, weve already seen in the first two months of the soft launch that she is really focusing on every day americans and the economic policies to move the country forward. A real contrast with the republicans. What do you make of her reference to Hedge Fund Managers and ceos . She has talked about them. Now she is going after Hedge Fund Managers who we know are big contributors. Is this an issue where she is going after people who contribute to the campaign but yet drawing a wedge. She has made it very clear this campaign is about everyday americans. This is about the voters. These are about folks looking for Economic Opportunity and a fair shot. Weve seen that in the policies she has begun to roll out. Immigration refor or talking about debtfree college. This is a focus where we need to go moving this country forward. And we cant focus on fundraising. We have to focus on whats best for the country. So you mean shes willing to make the choice for the voters the contributors. She will have the support she needs from sxhls millions of americans. She will really focus. How do you respond to this . She is not going into the real left field area. Talking about structural change to the economy. Big time reintroduction of wealth. She is talking about trying help the peel in the middle or the lower level of Economic Life in this country catch up a bit. She is not saying cut the benefits of the hedge fund operators. She is not going that far. She is talking about how not just those people should be doing well. A little bit of a hedge. A little bit. I think that Hillary Clinton will have the same messages that republicans will have. Which is they will be fighting for the middle class like Hillary Clinton because thats where the votes are. One of the biggest funders is a Hedge Fund Managers. So i think for her she has to make sure that she doesnt be seen as a hypocrite by attack the same people that are biting the hand that feeds her in many ways. Are you guys going to do Something Like that on the republican side . The Tax Advantages of the people at the top . They get on count what most consider regular income. Are you going after that on your side if she doesnt . I doubt it. See, then how can you call her a hypocrite then . I think what republicans will do without too much government interference can lift the boats. Like a john f. Kennedy. What is the free market doing for students and parents trying to afford Higher Education today . Apparently leaving them socked with six figure loans coming out of college and grad schools. 100,000 150,000 debts people are carrying. Thats a good question. I was talking to a colleague of mine with over 200,000 worth of Student Loans. I think republicans have to come up with major. A lot of families are facing the same thing. College is too expensive and the Value Proposition is not there for a lot of folks. I dont think that having the government which currently controls all the Student Loans is the best place to get them. Clinton has a plan coming up pretty soon to overhaul student loan debt. If youre one of the 40 million saddled with over a trill dollars, this could be a grabber politically. Politico reports this could be her signature domestic policy issue with a big announcement coming in july. The details havent been finalized. It may include loan rates to people at the bottom. It could be getting a lower rate because the current rates are lower than the ones you got. Also talking about Hillary Clinton may be talking about punishing the schools that default, the students default on loans. Any way, theyve sought out policy experts with close ties to Hillary Clinton. What do you think that she is been looking at the same experts of senator warren . I think hillary is very wise to be talking to as many as we can. This issue of College Student debt is immense. It is weighing down an entire generation and becoming generations of americans. And with the goal with hillarys goal of debtfree college there, i think well see some policy thats get us to that goal. It is something we absolutely have to do. And john just talked about the republicans needing a message. And i couldnt agree more. We havent seen any the rollout of any policy thats are dealing with Economic Opportunity. When there are such issues like college debt that we have to deal with i really see hillarys leadership and the democrats leadership on these issues moving forward. We have a big basketball game tonight in cleveland. Im going to ask to you throw a junk ball out there. Give me one idea for reducing the debt load for students coming out of college. One idea. I like the idea, if you work for the government or a nonprofit or work in service to the country, you should expand the g. I. Bill. Should you get help with your debt. I think thats good for taxpayers and for students. Okay. Public service benefit. What do you think . We have to get around refinance debts that so many people have now. We have an entire generation of graduates who cant even think about buying a home because they have so much debt. Like we have to get our arms around that too. Okay. Theyre talking now, by the way, there is talking about getting it down. If you can refinance, you can take it from 6. 7 down to 3. If you owe 100,000 it would be cutting it down from 500 a month to 250 a month. Thats a lot of difference. That what that would do for the economy. That much more money to be able to spend, to think about expanding into growing a family to buying a house. Just spending. It would completely change our economic situation. The problem is the government right now controls all of the Student Loans. This is a problem with the government. It is not a problem for the private sector. This is an issue that has to be fixed. More government doesnt necessarily help that. I know. The reason is government is in it is the private sector cant handle it. Dont be knocking government but there was not anything else helping. Stephanie, thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for coming on. Up next the hot new movie about the beach boy, brian wilson. 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