Head to bloomberg politics. Com. Until tomorrow, for mark and me, we have one word to say, the same word we always say, and thats sayonara. Coming up hardball with Chris Matthews. The battle of new york. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews back in washington. In a few minutes, donald trump will speak for the First Time Since his double digit trouncing out in wisconsin last night. Can he still present himself as a winner in november, after such a beating in april . Can he convince the big shots in his party that its better to live with him, as the president ial nominee than to die in the explosion should they reject him in cleveland. The polls light up the situation face bid republican leaders, a
monoth poll, shows the most delegates heading into the convention, simply put, he should be the nominee. In other words, a completion rejection of the stop trump argument. The new york businessman must reach 1,237 or walk away a loser. Im joined by new York Magazine contributing editor, a new title for our man, andrew sullivan, time mag jeazinemagazine, jane small. Gene, he want to start with you, i think know where youre coming from. If trump in two weeks win ors loses new york, hell probably win, it looks like hell get to 1,237 an they deny him the nomination because he is 1,158, what happens . I dont see him denying the nomination if he is that close. I really dont. First of all, there are some sort of uncommitted unfledged
unpledged delegates. Hell be working on them. Youre power broker, trying to make this decision, are you going to give the middle finger to your base, to your most energized activist base . And i think the answer is youre probably not going to. I dont see him what would be appropriate gesture if you said to women of the republican party, jane, if you are picking on a guy who said these things, taking these positions he has had . What do you say to those women when you pick trump . Im just asking. The numbers among women are terrible. Unbelievable. You saw this past week, cath or morris rogers, the women coming out against trump, saying he is not of our party, we dont believe in this, a lot of things that he said. So look, there has not been a republican who has won the womens vote since george h. W. Bush. And in fact, you cant win the presidency unless you mitigate the loss of the womens votes to a democratic to less than five
percentage points. Trump is under water by 73 . Weve been talking to a lot of republicans on the hill and whether its trump or cruz, which to them, its the devil you know and the devil you dont. But either way, theyre assuming theyre going to lose this race. And cruz has lousy votes among women. He is 30 points. Yesterday in wisconsin were men. That explains som of it. It wasnt much of a gender gap. Mr. Sullivan. Hello, mr. Matthews. I would like to have you speak now. I missed you in the repertoire world. This is your return from where . A sabbatical really. I understand youve come back because of the race. I think this is the argument, the never trump people are going to have to say. This man is not like another candidate. With a different set of views. He is actually a threat to our entire political system. What he represents is a kind of real, you know, powerful source from below that wishes to abrogate, to destroy our alliances, global religious war, he delights in, rather than tamp down, racial a live possibility. He would be a president that would do anything but calm things down. So when you have such a figure, such a terrifying figure in the race, you have to begin to say no. Why are the you have this massive conflict, which will be addressed in new york to some extent of a republican party, which says basically weve got to give to him with the most delegates, even though he said the things on ban on islam,
coming into the country, the wall, all these things. The republican whose care about their own country, who care about the decency of this country and its constitutional stability, because if he were to become president , well be in the middle youve constitutional crisis almost immediately. Shortterm, its a shortterm versus longterm bed, right. So if you bipick donald trump a your nominee, causing riots in cleveland, and thats the short term peace, but are you alienating women that you wont win the white house for another 20 years. The first bitter sip. Take this, if you accept this as your nominee. Its chilling. There will be more, youre going to be asked to do it again and again. Ive heard the argument look, we have as Convention Delegates will have a fiduciary duty to nominate someone who actually can serve. We believe as qualified to serve
as president. However, i just dont see him doing it. I have a hard time seeing them, if he is 20 delegates short, 40 delegates short, 50 delegates short, whatever, telling the base of the party, thank you very much for your input. We realize, you know, but were going in a different direction. Its not entirely the base. These are new people who have come into this party. Well, no. After losing last night, a scathing statement, his words, ted cruzs worst than a puppet. s i trojan horse being used by the party bosses to steal the nomination from mr. Trump. If he doesnt win, it has been stolen. This does sound a lot like a third world country. You always blame the scoreruption of the existing government. He is running to prosecute
his opponent, Hillary Clinton. He said he wants to put her in jail. That is third world. Incarcerate. He is absolutely, if there was any person, any candidacy, would you say i dont care if he loses election, its our patriotic duty to stop this maniac from becoming the president of the united states. Cruz has many problems with women, believe it or not, just because of his ideology, and paul ryan comes in, out of the wings somewhere, like in shakespear, its not working. It has to be cruz. Would you ever vote for cruz . No, but he is not ill tell you one thing about cruz, he understands the conditi constitution. He would not threaten our political system the way he would. At least with cruz, you get a party reset, right. You get the barry goldwater
where you ran the guy. He is a sore loser. But so is donald trump. No one is a sure loser against Hillary Clinton. Hold on a minute. This is why im really worried. If we didnt have the weakest Democratic Candidates since dukakis, we could easily rest easy and think trump cant get it. You think Hillary Clinton could lose to cruz . I dont think she has ever won a competitive election and wont now. I disagree, but go ahead. You can make an argument that if theyre going to take the leap, and deny trump the nomination, then they might as well go with somebody who they think can protect the down ticket candidates, the down ticket republicans. Who would that be . Paul ryan, somebody like that. Now, paul ryan, you know, unfortunately, he cant just skip the convention, because hell be chairman of the convention, so he has to be there. If i were he, i would have an
urgent appointment in australia. Were waiting now for donald trump at that rally in beth page, new york, long island. Jacob is outside where protesters have gathered. Who are the protesters . Were looking at here is you have Trump Supporters who werent able to make it in, because the event is at capacity, more than 10,000 people, and theyve gathered across the way from these protesters who have been here for many hours, chanting a few hundred of them, and just in the last 15 minutes or so, they clashed, because the people who couldnt get into the rally came out and then they started yelling at the protesters, and so quickly, within a few minutes, police who have also been here for a few hours, who have been preparing for this for a week, set up these gates that you see here. So that they didnt actually engage each other physically. So for the past 10 or 15 minutes, theyve simply been yelling chants back and forth,
usa, black lives matters, et cetera. And again, this is only been going on for 15 minutes or so. But its kind of getting heated, but the police dont want anything to happen, and it doesnt look like it will. Is this a racial conflict . Whats the makeup of the crowd on both sides . So if you look at this side, youre going to see a more diverse crowd. But as i did mention, they did yell at one point, black lives matter. That hasnt been the focus of this. No more hate theyre now chanting. Theyre mostly chanting usa, saying dump trump, stop islamphobia. The answer to your question chicago. No, not like chicago. Well be back to you later. This is a developing situation there. It looks like a poopour. Were going into new york, right. There are a lot of people in new york. A lot of people who really oppose donald trump in new york. I assume there will be big crowds at every big rally. Hell be doing huge rallies. Its, you know let me get back to your point. It looks to me like trump is a lucky man. Because trump has picked an opponent he can beat in new york and probably beat in pennsylvania and probably in maryland and the rest of the northeast. Cruz is essentially a rural guy. His appeal is essentially to evangelicals and the people who dont like the big city, and where a phrase like new york values would work. He is now running in new york, where new york values is sort of like the way things are. The first state to be prochoice i believe, maybe california. I think it was new york. A state that has live and let live. Every new yorker i know takes tremendous pride with versity. They love the fact they have different orientations,
different ethnic groups, busy as hell, different restaurant every night if youre lucky. They love that stuff. Here comes a guy, simon pure, rightwinger, coming into new york, saying im going to lean up the new york values things you got going here. Its perfect for trump. It is perfect. But im troubled by these scenes. Im troubled by what happened in chicago. When you have candidate in trump who supports violence, condones violence. How so . Explain that. Because every time there has been violence, he has defended the person inflicting violence. His own Campaign Manager uses battery as a weapon against the press. This is a man who believes in violence. Why else would this man favor torture if he didnt see that as the ultimate form of power, that he seeks. He is a thug. And this will lead to civil unrest in this country. There is going to be serious civil unrest. If were lucky, well get through the civil unrest without him being president. If he becomes president , god
knows what will happen in this country. What do you think stirred the black white aspect in chicago, which was scary . What do you think stirred that . Black lives matter, the organization . The left has gone so far to the left, its now basically a marxist, especialliy on the questions of race. Who do you like . The Democratic Party has swept to the left . Not the whole Democratic Party. You said that. No, i didnt. I said black lives matter. The race, the left on the race question is now near marks cyxi a way it hasnt been. A socially completely unmoveable force. I mean, ive red tanahasi coats. Thats not quite what he says. It he doesnt say its oh unmoveable. He says it cannot be changed. The impression is permanent, because the structure is permanent. There is no hope, only despair. He says that to his own son. You cant get anything more despairing than race about america. You have those attitudes, and trumps white nationalism, you have serious unrest in this country. Were under estimating, by thinking of him in terms of demographics. I agree. I made this point late last night. You may have taken a powder by then. This was very late. Basically, its all right if we polarize, we have a liberal party, we have a conservative party, like most of europe, people join the party of their ideology. That works in a parliamentary system, rotating governments, they mess up, the conservatives come in, you go back and forth. It works. But if you have a system which is president ial, you only get things through if one part of the president , 60 votes in the
senate, nothing gets done. Were creating a polarized system in the maer system in the american constitution. Unless, unless you create a third party. Unless you how does that work . Thats even less possible. You see, its happening in the cycle. If trump is not the nominee and leaves the party, you get a third party. Bernie, like everybody else, he has an appeal. I said to senator sanders, i live inside the belt way. I said wait a minute. Pass all the laws in the belt way. The exciting candidate, young, but the minute you get there, youre going to face Mitch Mcconnell and all those people will say no. Then where are we at . This is trumps appeal. Trumps basic appeal is the government in washington is paralyzed, cant do anything, i am the leader, who will decide everything. I will get a Mass Movement to force change. That has worked in the past. That is working. Thats where you had when nothing works, you bring in the man on the horse. I lived in argentina for four years, right after argentina had returned from democratic after military ruins, tens of thousands of people were killed. Were not there, okay. Were not there. But you could argue, one could argue that donald trump, there is a step in that direction, that he destabilizes our political s political system in some way. But we are bigger than donald trump. We are. I like that. We are the world. Please come back, andrew. Welcome back. Cheers. Welcome bat, cotter. Any way, as always, gene
robinson, sobriety. We await donald trump to take the stage out on the island, his first public event. He got hammered last night in wisconsin. Were going to hear what he has to say. Also coming up, the escalating battle in new york between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, a battle could go either way. Clinton is now questioning sanders credentials as a democratic. Shes getting personal, skewers his position on guns. Look at that. The battle is on. This is hardball, the place for politics. E specialists at ford like to show off their strengths 13 name brands. All backed by our low price tire guarantee. Yeah, were strong when it comes to tires. Right now during the big tire event, get a 120 rebate by mail on four select tires. When your ford needs service, these are the specialists. At ford. Try cool mint zantac. Hey, need fast heartburn relief . It releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. Zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. Nexium can take 24 hours. Try cool mint zantac. No pill relieves heartburn faster. Well, were waiting now for donald trump to take the stage in long island, his first public appearance since his double digit loss in wisconsin. Here he is, donald trump. Thank you, thank you, everybody. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. First of all, its great to be home. This is home. Its great to be home. We love new york. We love new york, and we are altogether, going to make America Great again, folks. So i was driving over from manhattan, and i passed queens, i love queens. Do we have a lot of queens . I love i grew up in queens. I grew up in queens. And i used to play you know, i used to get here at like 2 00
in the morning to play a round of golf at bethpage, you know what i mean, right . But i love this city. And i love this country. We are going to start winning again with our country, because we dont win, we never win, we never, ever win any more. We dont win with our military. We dont win on trade. We dont win on health care. We dont win on anything. We are going to start winning again, folks. So incoming up, i said to myself and i said to some of the people, when were in the car, i said you know, im selffunding my campaign. Im putting my own money in, right. And all of these people that are running for office, theyre like off the trough. They take money in from all the special interests, where they cant make proper transactions
for you. And thats going to stop. Its going to stop. You look, you look at what is happening i love you too. I love i love these people. These are my people. Man. Ive got so many family members here today. Look at that. Boy oh boy. My sons and my daughter. Did a ivanka do a good job . You know, she had a baby like five days ago. So she did a good job. So i should not say ivonne anka
youre fired. Somebody else would say, thats a tough crowd. It is. We love you, people. We love you. We love. So here is what were doing. On june 16th, i came out and i said and its not easy to do. It takes guts. I came down the escalator with melan melania, i took a deep breath and it was all about trade, it was all about borders, all sorts of things. And today, its that. But its also about our military, we cant beat isis. Were going to knock the hell out of isis. Believe me. Can you imagine what our great generals, general george patton, general douglas mcarthur, can
you imagine what they would be saying if they saw whats going on with what were doing and the way we fight. We dont fight like people from long island. We dont fight like people from new york. So were going to rebuild our military. Its totally depleted. We know it. They dont like talking about it. We are going to rebuild our military. Its going to be bigger and better, and stronger than ever before. And nobody is going to mess with us. Nobody. And very, very important. Were going to take care of our vets. Our vets are not taken care of. So our country owes now 19 trillion. We owe trillions to china, we owe trillions to japan. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Its going to change around. Its going to change quickly. Were going to renegotiate our trade deals in cha. The case of china, 500 billion trade deficit every single year. Its going to end. Mexico, i love the mexican people. I love hispanics. I love hispanics. Theyre unbelievable people. We have now 58 billion trade deficit with mexico. And our businesses, sadly, are leaving our country, going to other countries. Theyre leaving our jobs in long island. You know it better than almost anybody. Our companies are being uprooted, taken out. Theyre moving to mexico. Theyre moving to other countries. Everybody is looking for jobs, and you know what . Were going to end the practice. Were going to keep our companies here and were bringing Companies Back to the united states. We are going to have a strong border. We are going to build the wall. It will be a real wall. A real wall. Are you ready . Are you ready . Are you ready . Who is going to pay for the wall . Mexico. Who . Mexico. By the way, 100 . When these politicians come up, they say you cant get mexico to pay. I put out a plan three days ago. So easy, when were lo