Fans in the republican establishment are taking the news today that ryan until tomorrow, same time, same channel. Thanks for watching. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. A new york state of mind. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews in new york. Let me start with the democratic battle in new york between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, the one were billing the battle for broadway. Clinton is looking at a big win in her adopted state here, which she represented for eight years as a u. S. Senator, a skunking of bernie would make her path to the convention. The politics, upset in new york, would rise giant doubts, enough to keep the brawl alive until philly. Sanders said that he will win a
major victory here in the state. We will win a major victory here in new york next tuesday. We win when the voter turnout is high. We lose when the voter turnout is low. Let us have the highest voter turnout in democratic primary history in new york. He is something. Any way, while polls show Hillary Clinton with a double digit lead here in the state, she is intensifying her attacks on sanders. With just a week to go, taking nothing for granted. Im joined by joy reed, tad devine, the senior advisor. Are you older than him, to the Sanders Campaign, and msnbc, howard dean, and a big Hillary Clinton supporter. Any way, im a going to ask about the prediction. I love his optimism. He set the bar. Shes double digits. He said he is going to win here. Right. I think he said he was going to win every state weve been insofar. Youre taking the edge off. This is her home state. She is ahead. Independents cant vote in the primary here. There is a lot of factors. What did he mean hell win here . He believes, and agree with him, if we can mobilize an electorate, particularly a young electorate, we have a shot of winning. Have you been able to do that before, increase the turnout . Fair enough, the political revolution, but the overall turnout has not gone up. Chris, it was 18 , 65 plus. The turnout has not gone up. It went up nor 18 to 29 year olds. Okay, okay, is that a conditional claim by him . Well, no. He said hell win new york is turnout is beyond normal
expectations. Ill tell you one thing bernie doesnt do. Spin. Youre the spinner. He made a clear statement. Speaking on gun violence yesterday, Hillary Clinton called out Bernie Sanders on his record for gun control, the firearms used in Violent Crimes in new york. Thats a strong charge, saying thats where the arsenal is for the killing in the streets of new york. Lets look at what she said. When challenged on his gun stances, he frequently says, well, you know, i represent vermont. Its a small, rural state. We have no gun laws. Here is what i want you to know. Most of the guns that are used in crimes and violence and killings in new york come from out of state. And the state that has the eyest per capita number of those guns
that end up committing crimes in new york come from vermont. Well, the Sanders Campaign release aid statement that turned hillarys words against the governor, who is backing Hillary Clinton. Quote, i dont know why secretary clinton would be so critical of the governor of vermont who strongly supports her candidacy. What governor shumlin said is true. In the campaign season, therefore, things are said by all the candidates that arent entirely accurate. I would just say this. I think youve had a hard time convincing vermonters that new york crime problems are coming from ver monmont. Any way, a fact checker says the small population skews the numbers that clinton is using there. We do not find it as a Fair Assessment into new york. The difference between this point using per capita calculations and the raw number is so stark that it creates a significantly misleading impression to the public. Tad, do you want to back that up. You Better Believe it. Listen, over 4,500 guns in that reference that she made. 5 55 of them came from vermont. Used in Violent Crimes. Most of them were the crime was possession of a firearm, okay. We cant tell whether any was used in a murder. Its terribly misleading. If youve got a candidate whose problem is problem is cre credibility governor dean, did you feel you were the arsenal of criminology or crime in new york city . Did you feel that your state was feeding guns down across the northern border. Well, they do, actually. We do. Except that its misleading in the sense that while we are the highest per capita exporter of guns, thats because vermont is so small, but bernies real problems is the ability to sue gun companies. What he needs to apologize for that, hillary had to apologize for iraq. If i were bern feeies campaign would stop talking about guns. That does not help bernie in new england and northeastern primaries. Question to both of you. Is vermont significantly responsible for the crime rate in new york city . No, not at all. Governor howard dean, is vermont significantly responsible for the crime in new york used by guns with the use of guns. It is not the largest export exporter, but there are a significant amount of guns bought in new york. There is a lot more guns have virginia, for example, that are illegally purchased that end up in new york. But again, i dont think this is an article about semantii seman. Here is the other problem. I got eight endorsements in a row from the nra. I got off the nra after newtown,
after the speech this is all fine and good, were not going give up our right to bear arms. I concluded the National Rifle association did not represent thoughtful gun owners, and theyve become a right wing extremist group. Thats when i left the nra. If youre going to run for national office, you probably have to do that. Catholic guilt, jewish guilt, my friends tell me about, this s this vermont guilt were being accused of here. Thats going to be a har tash. Hashtags. Has hillary overstepped here, your objective, yes or no. Somebody is hashtaging vermont guilt right this instant. The dangers of talking around an attack, right. Help me out here. Is she overstating the charge. Overcharging ver month as the source of the gun battles, crimes down in new york. Very healthy compared to what it was 20, 30 years ago. Sure. But to an extent, to what extent is vermont and its gun,
lacks gun laws responsible for the new york city violence. Very little. There arent enough humans, if they all started exporting. 50 guns, right. There arent a lot of people there. She is overstating it. Is this where the campaign is headed . Is that an attempt for hillary, to find someplace that she could be the left of him, so she doesnt have to attack him for being too left, which well get to in the polls. Thats not healthy for her in the long run. Its not attacking from the left. What youre seeing that theyve tied themselves in. The Clinton Campaign at large does not want to directly personally attack Bernie Sanders. Right. Not on the philosophy. Not on the philosophy, because of the risk of alienating the young voters that your campaign is doing such a great job at. Even on issues where she has some advantage, and even tad would a admit that on the issue
for gunm manufactures, he think they dont want to go at him directly and personally, because the blow back against Hillary Clinton is so severe, that theyre trying to find ways to dance around and still attack him in these sort of side glancing ways. That doesnt work in politics. If youre going to attack Bernie Sanders on his policies on guns, you have to do it. Go back to governor dean. Governor dean, Bernie Sanders has used the phrase pack with the devil, sold her soul. That was weaver. Her chief Campaign Manager. Is that what you have to do in vermont . The way bernie sold this, you cant blame me no, i dont know if bernie really said that, i dont think he is that kind of politician. Here is the deal. In vermont, most nra members, they dont think you need a
bazooka to kill a deer. The local people get us. We understand hunting. Its true. We dont have any gun laws. When you get to national politics, the gun lobby is a group of lunatics. Its outrageous. Whats the biggest mammal youve ever killed. I dont know. Probably a duck or something. I dont know. Thats a great answer. The latest m marist poll, the primary voters find that some sanders supporters will not elect Hillary Clinton. 30 who support sanders will not support clinton in november if she is the democratic nominee. While 15 of those who support clinton now said they will not support sanders in november if he is the nominee. 30 is fairly high. A lot of pumas in the last
election coming over. Tad. Will your people make an adjustment . I dont think it will come to that. I think were going to win. I dont think 2016 is any where near where 2008 was. In terms of vitreal. We cant afford to have trump or cruz. You just take the clinch. Tad, ive got to tell you this, i was talking to voters all day in the bronx. There is a different level of distaste for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters. A sanders supporter said theyll vote for had i willry in the primary. He didnt think sanders would win. I only found one person of each that wouldnt vote for the other. Most people we talked to said were fine. Would they go to trump . No oh. Except the bernie people. I did find people that did like trump, if theyre democrats,
they would vote for bernie. A risk to the vitreal in new york . Im certainly planning on bernie if hillary doesnt win. Obviously hillary will win. The two of them are so different and much better than anybody on the other side. Second of all, i would argue that for both of these candidates, these are great numbers. Right now, were at the most bitter part of the campaign or close to it. Were getting close to the end. Everybody is exhausted, competitive. I had to really work hard to get my people to support kerry. It took a month after i dropped out. So i actually did you vote for kerry . Of course i voted for kerry. I asked all my supporters to vote for kerry, too. I waited for a month so they could calm down after all that. How hard is to vote for its easier for the candidate than it is for the supporters. Wow. Last word, tad. Dean being endorsed by the nra, he has a d minus lifetime rate sgrg is th rating . He may not have been endorsed. He was. He was initially. In 1990, after they defeated him in 88. Then he changed his positions. He was still against the assault weapon ban and his republican opponent lied about it. Thank you. I dont get it up there. Its beautiful. I love burlington, by the way. Howard, governor dean, i love your honesty. Joy reed. Weve got a special guest on thursday. Im going to host a town hall on long island, pronounce it any way you want, for ohio governor, jericho, new york. Were going to be with him for an hour. 7 00 eastern time. Ask these people for hillary or bernie, if its kasich on the
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today. Just today. Speaker paul ryan, the best hope of being a white knight for many in the establishment said he would not accept the republican nomination. John kasich, the third man in the race actually running, called out what he calls the path of darkness, offered by donald trump and ted cruz. It sounds like he is not going to follow those guys. Frontrunner called it corrupt and a scam. Republican system is absolutely rigged. Its a phony deal. These are dirty striction e trick administers. T tricksters. They should be ashamed of themselves. The rules are no good when they dont count their vote. What they dont like in colorado, the rules are no good, when you have to play dirty tricks in order to pick up delegates. The party is playing dirty. We have to show our republican
party, youve been disenfranchised, everybody has. Youve got to show the Republican Party that they cant get away with this stuff any longer. Interesting tactic, he is basically saying if he doesnt get the nomination, its dishty. Earlier, Reince Priebus tweeted rules were set last year, nothing mysterious, nothing new. The rules have not changed. Theyre not changed. Joining me now, the man who used to have that job, michael steel, and robert costa, National Political reporter for the Washington Post. Gentlemen, the news is out tonight that the daily news is endorsing Hillary Clinton. Its going to happen, the front cover in a minute. But michael, lets get to this point. Trump has a pretty good argument, popular vote should decide the nominee. The guy who gets the person who gets the most votes should be the nominee. The Counter Point by the inside guys is well, we have rules that allow people to get picked by
conventions and caucuses and they can also be picked who are not bound to anybody. They could make up their own mind. Sure. Democracy is a pretty good sell in this country. It is a very good sell. Its a very good argument for trump to make. Its a very difficult argument for the establishment types, the chairman and others to defend, because i mean, people think, i went to the polls. I voted. I stood in line in the primary. I sat in a room for three hours at a caucus, and i voted. What do you mean you now can you can dilute, you know, on a best case scenario, dilute my vote and in the case of colorado, no the even include me in the process of voting. What do you mean by that . So trump has got a good argument. But the rules are the rules. Theyve been i know. As the chairman said. Here is the problem. We know the rules can be changed. Thats what a lot of people also know and realize, as they saw in 2012, what happened to ron paul,
when they changed the rules there to prevent him from getting nominated from the floor. So there is no confidence in the system when they have already seen actions taken by those to block out people they dont like or dont want to get the nomination. Well, guys, two big things happened today, despite the fact that daily news is endorsing hillary. Ryan wanted to put to rest onc and for all that he would emerge as the nominee for president. Let me be clear. I do not want, nor will i accept the nomination for our party. So let me speak directly to the delegates on this. If no candidate has a majority in the first ballot, i believe that you should only choose from a person who has actually participated in the primary. Count me out. The rules committee, which is assembled by the delegates will decide what the rules are. I would encourage those delegates to put in place a rule
that says you can only nominate somebody who actually ran for the job. You know, i think a couple of things came from that. Check me on this, guys. Starting with robert. If he really took himself out and i think he did just then, that reduces the numbers of possible