Coverage all the time on bloomberg politics. Com and a great deep dive into john kas h kasichs nomination. Our colleague, until tomorrow si. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. Rumble, lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Can bernie do it, do it again . Can he win the big apple. A new poll today shows sanders has narrowed clinton, Hillary ClintonsNational Lead to two points. Look at that 5048 and closing on her, perhaps passing her. Sanders gained four points while clinton dropped three. You know the math. Meanwhile in new york state, the site of tomorrows big primary, the democratic polls are tightening. Sanders is predicting an upset matching the surprise victory
last month. Here is what he said this morning on the today show. Lets look at the real poll tomorrow. Generally speaking polling underestimated how we do in elections. We were 25 points down in michigan and ended up winning michigan. The fight for new york state has proven already to be the most contentious of the democratic race to date. Sanders has attacked clinton over and over in her judgment, thats a nice word siting repeatedly that more than 600,000 she took from goldman wbr id wbr944 sachs for speeches. Here is the ad that senator sanders released on that top pick. Wall street banks shower washington politicians with Campaign Contributions and speaking fees and what do they get for it . A rigged economy, tax breaks and bailouts held in place but a corrupt Campaign Finance system and while washington politics are paid 200,000 an hour for speeches, they oppose raidsisin b
the living wage to 15 an hour. The result is a wbrid wbr1244 far harsher tone and transformed senator sanders who is now making the kinds of sharper edged attacks that some of his advisors regretted he did not deploy sooner. Im joined by jeff merkley of oregon. One thing i raised is he talks about washington politics taking speaking fees. They arent allowed to. He knows it because he cant take them. You know it. Why would he put out something not true like that. You cant take a speaking fee. You bet. Why would he say that when nobody in washington is allowed to do that. Campaign contributions no, he said speaking fees. He didnt he said washington politicians can take speaking fees and they are not allowed to so why did he say it . When they are in office well, and certainly there are washington politicians who leave office and take speaking fees why are you quibbling . Exactly. Youre quibbling. This is what people dont like about politicians. Senator the hard can you give a speech for money . I cannot while im in office. Can a congressperson . Cannot while in office. Does Bernie Sanders know this to be a fact he cant give a speech for money nor can a member of congress. A former member can were not talking ability a former member. Youre quibbling. The ad i can play 1,000 times and everybody watching will get the message. Washington politicians take speaking money from corporations. Its not loud. Underlying issue im going to stop making my point, i made it. Large speaking fees who are they . They are speeches who are we talking about doing this. We have two candidates in the race and were blessed with two very capable candidates, either of whom would be tfar better Bernie Sanders doesnt give speeches for money because hes not allowed to, Hillary Clinton isnt allowed to and hes hit her for it. Yes. The ad sucks. The ad is not complete. Today senator Sanders Campaign is alleging serious apparent violations of Campaign Finance laws saying secretary clinton paid her Campaign Staff without side money in response Clinton Campaign manager issued a statement accusing sanders of resorting to baseless accusations of illegal actions. Can you explain that charge from sanders about secretary clinton i cant explain the details but it has to do with when you set up a joint accounts money is supposed to be distributed but expenses are paid. Did they go in the appropriate fashion . Thats the heart of this. The reason hes raising this issue is that you have a massive amount of money in the campaign system. Thats really thats true. And this fundraiser was just held 350,000 to sponsor the fundraiser. Ordinary americans cannot connect to that. They are lucky to get 350 online or 35 in the course of a year. 350,000. Does say there is something extraordinary about our Campaign Finance system this flow of cash is corrupting our system. Thats the fundamental point. What is the law, though, that hes getting the press on and clinton people are responding to . The law seems to be saying Hillary Clinton is paying having her staff paid by this sort of joint thing she has with the dnc when in fact she should be paying the staff salaries directly. They will get into the nitty gritty but a distraction from the core issue. They will wrestle with did the staff get double compensated or not let me ask you about yourself. Thats not the issue. I had candidates that i respected that you dont have a big following within the peer group. Nothing wrong with that. Fascinating candidate. Explain why youre the only person in the body with 45 democrats including Bernie Sanders who caucuses with you. Why only you . Well, most of my colleagues made their endorsement early on when Bernie Sanders was expected
to never get above 5 and never considered to be a strong contested situation. They weighed in with the person they anticipated would be the winner. I decided to make my endorsement close to when the ballots come out in oregon so its relevant to the state of oregon. The ballots go out ten days from now and on the big issues facing america on the issue of pivoting from fossil fuels to are you kneeble energies to taking on global warning on Campaign Cash in the system, those are issues and certainly on foreign trade, trade where were computing directly with people, Bernie Sanders has been a very, very powerful voice saying we need to change the existing paradigm do you think you might be able to get him to join the party . Im serious. Why doesnt he join the Democratic Party . In terms of campaigning, he cant be on the ballot unless hes running as a democrat. Hes informally joined he keeps being asked the question are you a democrat and
he says im running as a democrat. Why doesnt he just join the party . In his state he cant register as a democrat trump running on the republican side, hes not a regular party member, either. Its strange. Its strange to get him to the superdelegates and democrats wished they didnt have and republicans wished they did. Shows the irony. I like democracy and direct voting primaries in every state. No conventions and caucuses. Primaries in every state, everybody gets to vote and add it up at the end. Do you remember that proposal for rotating regional primary . An excellent idea. I would like to move it around, too. Thank you jeff merkley. Oregon. Its a toughfy. People say nevada out here. Dont say that. Im joined by patrick heelly with the new york times. Thank you for joining us. Yo youre a theater maven. The bernie thursday night was rock them sock them and these were actually arms were flying in the air both of them. They were over im not going to knock somebody for interrupting but what did you make of that. Where did this guy come from. This is what advisers were hoping he would start doing back in october with the speaking fees. You know, tagging her with taking big fees and punching it over and over and over again that ad you shows saying her name insen waiting that hes got these dub use influences. Jeff weaver out there, her Campaign Manager doesnt pull punches, he keeps saying it. How do you say after the campaign is over i know we said she sold her soul to the devil but thats behind us now. Let me ask you about the speaking fee thing. It does remind me like a rocky movie. The eye closing and the other
guy keeps punching and 7,000 in speaking fees, pounding it and when hes not pounding that, hes pounding the iraq war. He just, what made him start now . Yeah, i mean does anybody know why . Bob kerry said if he started doing that back in the fall it would have been devastating against Hillary Clinton. It took him a long time to come around to the fact he was going to have to go really, really tough on her. Felt like he needed to spend a lot of time introducing himself being positive. Is this a good time to close with the fist . The numbers dont look good for bernie. Shes probably anything can happen. I mean, honestly, anything can happen. There could be something with emails but he could over take her and win i think hes got a shot tomorrow in new york state. I really do. Im watching the numbers close. Tough in new york state the nominee and hes got to hold her hand in the air and tell the young people hey, shes
not bad. Yeah. Liable enough or Something Like that. How is this guy going to leave the stage ultimately if she gets ahead but not able to win it with pledged delegates, you know, his people will feel like this is being taken from them and some big way. Hes going to have to reckon with that. Youre right, the whole question is why now . Is it too late . The strange thing is is that Bernie Sanders has a long pattern of going to sort of insinuation and sarcasm and presents himself as a very positive issue oriented candidate who never has done a negative attack ad in his life but you saw the ad that he just you showed it that he did all but saying secretary clinton gets all this money from wall street that shes this typical washington politician, you know, and yet, you know, isnt going to stand up for the minimum wage and the banks. He hasnt threaded that but keeps sort of suggesting it and its not that unusual for
politicians but the thing is bernie offers himself as not a politician. Youre right. Hes said i dont attack and dog a deadly attack right now and thats one reason hes still in the game. I dont think its good for democrats. I dont buy the debate is good for everybody. That was true a month ago. Good to see you back in the game. Thanks. You can do anything. Im joined bob kerry on your call list joined by democratic congresswoman who supports Hillary Clinton. So, congresswoman, thanks for coming on the show. Youre from brooklyn where everything seems to be happening these days. Yes. My question to you, what do you make of the fighting about senator sanders attacking hillary for the mirky campaign transactions, which i dont understand exactly going after her for speaking fees. Its getting to be very much one of those sort of im the clean guy and shes not. Well its pretty personal. I think its desperation quite frankly. Were down to the taxes here, new york state is a very important state and i think hes really trying to do everything he can to win the race, and at the end of the day, you know, the hypocrisy reigns supreme. He said he wouldnt go negative but here we are in the midst of a negative campaign. Republican front runner donald trump unveiled a new attack on Hillary Clinton this weekend so we have a cross attack calls the former secretary of state crooked. Here he is. Yeah. Shes been crooked from the beginning and to think that she has a shot at being our president crooked Hillary Clinton, we cant let it happen. Thats like lying ted. To explain why attacks are different than trumps, lets watch the senator. Donald trump is brilliant by coming up with statements you
guys respond to. What i have said is we have a corrupt Campaign Finance system and were youve gone further. You have said, you have said she accepts to money and that affects her judgment. Of course it does. In that case the entire government is crooked. 600,000 for free speeches and one of the big 20 minutes long. Hes going after Hillary Clinton. He calls it judgment. I think hes going after character. What do you think . I think clearly hes going after her character and his hope is to show that hes the pristine candidate here when we know thats not the case. Why not . Well, first of all, there are many issues that we have caught him in hypocrisy with, as well, whether its gun violence and his nra or being in a city of
new york and voting against immigration reform. They all have to carry their own issues and their own luggage and the voters will ultimately determine, you know, whose integrity is in tact at the end. To you think hes in the take with the nra . I havent had a chance to look at the filings. I wouldnt go as far as to say that but clearly, he was concerned about their interest in the ways that hes voted with respect to gun violence prevention. Well, if all these candidates could have your eloquence, madam, it would be better. Thank you. Its great to meet you. Please come back on the show a lot. Congresswoman evette clark. Thank you so much, chris. Coming up Donald Trumps hostile takeover. The Republican Party seems to be taking effect. Two thirds of republicans agree if trump has the post demost de peer a pure and simple he should be the nominee. Trump should be the winner, no rule playing at the convention
in cleveland. Anyway, trump is at war with the party bosses calling them bosses, a great new york line and the ones looking to shut him down and out at the convention this summer plus, high stakes for president obama with the red hot issue of immigration and what to do with the parents of kids that are here that are now citizens, born here. How do you spare millions of Illegal Immigrants from being deported. Why are the least popular candidates that want leading the president ial race is Hillary Clinton and donald trump have the highest unfavorable numbers and trump is the most popular ever . Why he has the most publicity it works both ways. Let me finish with a problem of mixed bags how you like some things about one candidate, bernie and others about the other. This is hardball a place for politics. The nissan rogue with intuitive allwheel drive. Take on the unexpected. If you misplace your you can use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. And once you find it, you can switch it right on again. Youre back freeze it from discover. Get it at discover. Com. Trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax constipated . Use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. Dulcolax, designed for dependable relief a big day ahead of us
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the race and therefore could get the nomination over anyone else. Over the weekend he turned up the heat on priebus and oppon t opponen opponents. You have a system thats rigged. You have system thats crooked. We have a system thats got a lot of problems and a system that doesnt allow the people to vote in many cases and our system they are not even voting. The bosses are picking the delegates. Its a corrupt system. Youre basically buying these people. They go out and whining and dining. You have no idea whats going on with those delegates. Its a crooked process, folks. The system is a bad, bad system and they got to do something about it. The Republican National committee, they better get going because ill tell you what, you have a rough july. 62 say the people with the post votes like a basketball game. Football game, any game, the
side with the most numbers wins, the candidates with the most votes get the nomination. Registered republicans believe that. Im joined by dan cdonovan, rep certains parts of brooklyn. Thank you, congressman, thank you for joining us. What is it about trump that people like . I think you struck a nerve with the voters. People of america are frustrated, angry, they feel that our friends dont respect us any longer, that our enemies dont fear us, that america used to be the leading nation in the world and we lead from behind and i think mr. Trump has hit that nerve and hes telling people some of the things they wanted to hear for a very, very long time. Well, here is somebody different from trump and every personality way and position. Senate