Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20160510

Welcome back. Polls in West Virginia will be closing in 30 minutes now. It was a busy day in republican politics. Marco rubio and ted cruz declined to throw their full support behind donald trump. Here they are. Hes the nominee of the Republican Party or the presumptive nominee. I respect that and accept it. Thats not going to change the reservations i have about his campaign or the policies. Its six months until the general election. There will be plenty of time for voters to make the determination who they will support. Voters will be listening to the candidates, listening to what they support and assessing them on their merit. Its amazing. You get a flash look and remind you of their entire persona. Im not saying that positively. Rubio said he plans to live up to the pledge to support the nominee, but he has serious concerns about trump. I dont know what they mean anymore. Trump said he doesnt think the party needs to be unified. Basically, we need to talk a about how do we unify the Republican Party. We shouldnt just pretend our party is unified when we know its not. Its been one week since the primary ended. Its going to take more than a week just to repair and unify this party. Is he coming in as the boss or a job applicant . The party sees him as shall be coming in as a job applicant. He won. Theyre going to read him the riot act. Donald trump has the abilities to go in there and the voters to say no. They dont want your way of doing things. They dont want your Republican Party. Who speaks for the republican voter today better, trump or ryan . Who is speaking for the voter out there . Not a 1 percenter. A regular republican. Who speaks for that male or female . I dont think the entire Republican Party is completely behind donald trump. Are they behind ryan in. I dont think so either. I think they want a change. I think a good majority of them saw that donald trump was the one that would probably best be able to do that in their minds. I think donald trump is closer to the republican voter. You should write a book about the trump youve covered. What an assignment and what a job youve done. We go to steve. Were taking a look here at West Virginia and nebraska republicans. How do they feel about their party now and winning in november . We asked Republicans United now. 10 say this is a united Republican Party. Most of those are saying its divided. They will come together. A quarter is saying this is party that will remain divided through the general election. Quarter of republicans in West Virginia saying that. In nebraska, look at this. Its nearly half. Nearly half the republicans say this is a party thats going to stay divided between now and november. Why this is so interesting is because donald trump was asked about this the other day . Do you need the Republican Party to be united to win in november . He said i dont think i need to. I think im a different kind of candidate than youve seen and i can win with a divided party. Republicans are saying they largely agree with that. Look at this, 90 of the West Virginia republicans say trump will probably win in the fall and in nebraska very high number as well. Over 80 . 75 . Three quarters of the republicans who say this party will stay divided, they still think trump will win in the fall. Well said. Paul, thank you for coming on. Youre the man. I want to you about trump. How you getting along with him . Great. Good relationship . Yes. Whats he like compared to what he see on the stage . Same guy. I find him a bit subdued. Depends on the day. Youre been watching and youre a big part of it, explain it to the young person reading the history book. What happened in 2016 that had the Republican Party regular, scott walker, perry, every one of them, rubio, cruz, they all went down in a ravine. They are ditched by this one guy, beats all of them and wins the republican nomination. What is it in the times that allowed that to happen . Donald trump figured out the campaign for a moderate presidency is different than in the past. He didnt put together a traditional campaign. Its the First Modern Campaign in the social media era. He understood how to use earned media instead of paid media. He also had a vision. He came in with plan to change everything as a true outsider. He was not involved in politics until ten months ago. He combined a modern campaign with a vision that not restricted by the conventional wisdom of politics in washington. Those two things made a different where he will be now. How does he fit the Republican Party . He went throughout and was the largest vote getter in the history of primaries. He beat the record by may 3rd. He is now the head of the Republican Party as far as voters in country are concerned. He ran everywhere. He won everywhere. I think tonights numbers show the republicans are happy with their nominee. They turned out in two states. They didnt have to turn out. They wanted to support his vision and his plan for america. How much power that shows him within a point or two in states like pennsylvania where he can win the whole thing. Whats that say to paul ryan when he greets him . He cant greet him as a contender. Donald trumps candidacy has been filled with myths he was not a serious candidate. He never could break did i ever say that . Go back and look. They also said he couldnt break 30 , he couldnt break 40. He would never win a oneonone race. They were right. The point is theyve been wrong all along. Lets talk strategy. Lets head to the convention because its more fun. Weve had exciting conventions. 68 was a hell of a democratic convention. It didnt help the party that lost. Are boring conventions better . Can you have a positive, exciting election . You can. How do you do that . Donald trump understands media. Hes a television star. Are you going to have features on monday and tuesday night . How are you going to use television when a lot of People Like Us use the convention. We cover it and talk amongst ourselves. How do you come up with comp Compelling Television . Were sitting down with the rnc and talk about it. We have ideas. Youll have to break some eggs. I dont think so. Reince priebus will give us an exciting convention . Donald trump will. Will you have a reality show . This is the ultimate reality show. Its the presidency of the united states. Well be talking to america, not just donald trump but the Republican Party. Lets take a look at your candidate here. He spent the weekend attacking both clintons. Here is how hes going out. Im saying to myself, but nobody in this country, and maybe in the history of the country, politically, was worse than bill clinton with women. Shes married to a man who was the worst abuser of women in the history of politics. Shes married to a man who hurt many women and hillary, if you look and see study, hillary hurt many women. The women that he abused. She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler. What she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. Put that in her bonnet and lets see what happens. Is he on solid ground there . I dont know this story. He talks about how Hillary Clinton was not just an enabler but humiliated woman involved with her husband. Do you have any facts to back that up . Does the candidate . The point hes he said Hillary Clinton did nasty, terrible things to these women who alleged have a relationship with her husband. Did she do that . Hell be talk about that on the campaign. Shehes told you stuff that will now bring out . We have talked about Hillary Clinton playing the female card and his willingness to expose that card for what it is. Why is it hypocrite cal for her to be hitting the female card, as you put it . His point is if she were not a women, people its not just rhetoric. How do you make that case . Stay tuned. You got a case . Stay tuned. Have you heard his case . Well not be letting her get away playing the female card. Does it scare you that 1998, bill clinton not only defeated the attempt to remove her from office. It never works against the clintons. They seem to be coming back at their attackers. The clintons have never run against donald trump. You smile. Its going to be a good campaign. Youre going to have a Christian Conservative running mate. You must name an evangelical. Everybodys got a opinion. Theres only one that counts. Very confident fellow. Coming up, much more on trumps battle with the republican insiders. We have robert costa with new reporting on that and Steve Schimdt coming here. At the bottom of the hour, clpos will be closed. This is hardball, the place for politics. Were now just 15 minutes away from the polls closing. New reporting on the Trump Campaign from robert costa. Well be right back. Welcome back. As we await the first results from West Virginia coming in at the half hour. Donald trump is said to meet with speaker of the house Paul Manafort paul ryan this thursday. A week after ryan said he wasnt ready the endorse the republican nominee for president. The Washington Post reported that trump allied ben carson is playing a key role in mending fences with ryan and carson requested his own meeting with the speaker in advance. An advancement on this meeting. It will come after a spokesperson for the Trump Campaign said ryan was unfit to be speaker and after sarah palin called for ryans defeat in the wisconsin primary this summer. Im joined by robert costa, Steve Schmidt and ann coulter, she has a new book out in trump we trust. Whats the nature of the meeting. I dont like meetings. I dont know what they accomplish. This doesnt excite me or threaten me. Is trump coming in as the job applicant or as the boss, which is it . Based on my reporting and ive spoken to people close to ryan and close to trump, they hope to come to some kind of consensus on what the partys principles are and whether there can be agreement. Theres not going to be a heavy discussion on policy. This isnt about a litmus test or whether they can agree on immigration and trade. Its whether they can have unity. Trump has been speaking for a year on what he thinks of policy. Dont they pay attention. Dont they have transcripts. Why do they have to ask they didnt like what they heard and whey want to hear something else, ann. I think youre right. I think it shows that trump is being unbelievably gracious. He doesnt need to have this meeting. Hes the heart and soul of the party. I think he could have said, i hope he comes aboard. Were going to have a lot of fun. I dont think he would waste a lot of time on these meetings. The people are with him and theres no point in meeting with these generals without armies. Whats the best line in your book . I know you remember it. Im writing it now. You dont have the best line. I might quote you. You were right about manafort, who you were the only one not dismissive of trump. Lets go back to steve. I think hes a mixed bag. This meeting, what do you make of this meeting. Washington loves this stuff. They go behind closed doors. They come out holding hands. They go in angry and come out happy. Thats my thinking. The Republican Voters spoke. They let it be known theyre contempt for the republican establishment. Donald trump arrives at this meeting as a conquerer of the political order over the last generation. This meeting is important because i think theres an open question. Can a party led by donald trump, can it survive . Its the majority party. He tries to come out with yunit with the speaker and others. Hes got to have a unified Republican Party. Hes got to do well with independents and pick up his fair share of con sempb tifr worki conservative democrats. The Trump Campaign confirmed, well, i do rely on the prompter. A video attacking clinton. The video uses interviews with the families of the victims. It looks like swift voting. It contains elements that may be offensive to some viewers. I have to say that. Here it is. Weve seen rage and violence directed at american embassies. She lied to me. She told me it was fault of the video. She said we are going to have the film maker arrested who is responsible for the death of your son. She did say to you that benghazi attack was caused by protests . Absolutely. I dont know why thats funny. Well, we all know how editing works. Whatever you say about any of this, i think its problematic, having her laughing like mad, tragedy that cost the life of an actual friend of hers, Chris Stephens the ambassador. Its editing and malicious. Is this thing going to work . My sources close to trump says he has dozens of these videos ready to go on different fronts. They are often hard hitting of audio blended together. This is the Trump Campaign style. They are trying to reach out to Movement Conservatives to paul ryan. When it comes to social media, instagram, theyre playing at a lower level and trying to incite voters and get conservatives excited. I dont buy the idea that tend justifies the means. Ive seen this with dukakis in 88. You can destroy an opponent with a good ad campaign. Come back with your book. Up next, well get a look at the race in West Virginia. Polls will be closed at the bottom of the hour. Well have our projection on that race very, very quickly now. This is hardball, the place for politics. Just moments away from the polls closing in West Virginia. Well have our first projections. Seems like she has to play this rear guard against Bernie Sanders. She has. She thought it would be over now. She clearly cant give her attention to the campaign. Even though shes overwhelmingly likely to win the nomination. The fact hes kept winning primaries. He was favored going in. The fact he keeps doing well, the fact he keeps drawing thousands and thousands of people to rallies. Theres nothing like it. Have you ever seen a loser do so well . A guy who will probably not win has tremendous crowds formed. Exactly. A lot of passion. Those people will still there be there after the convention. She needs to win their support. The Democratic Coalition has to turn out. Thats the way the math works. They also want to keep the people mad for Bernie Sanders in the party. Theyre not necessarily in the party. Theyre not in the party. Hes activated a lot of political enthusiasm among vofos who wouldnt necessarily be participating at all. You want to keep them involved. You want to get them out to vote. As you know, its difficult to get young voters out to vote. I see tradition about to play the role. The guy who gives the best speech is never the nominee. Its so democratic. Bernie will get his hour on stage. Hell get his hour and influence of the platform too. The speech he gets to give is his speech. He can say anything he wants. Hes really created a movement. Hes appealed to people in a way, no one would have said that Bernie Sanders would be a political rock star. You know what sanders said to me, a year ago you would have treated me as a fringe candidate. I meaning fringe is about right. Theres a near and present reality to young families. Youre 22 years old. You get out of school. Youre paying 8 on it. Bernie says i can help you with it. Hillary says what. Its going to be a challenge to keep them upbeat. The question of how do young people get a start in life these days. Hard to launch when you have that pack on your back. You go to med school or law school. There it is. Its now 7 30. The polls are closed in West Virginia now. Msnbc news can project when all votes are counted in West Virginia, Bernie Sanders will be the winner of the West Virginia primary. On the republican side, no surprise here, Donald Trumps the projected winner. Adding to his delegate totals and getting closer to that magic number of 1237, the majority. Lets talk about the democrats. We were just talking about Bernie Sanders. He could win four this month. He could sweep may essentially. This could be a very good month for him. Oregon, kentucky. He could do well. Theyre just bad for clinton. She will win california. To have a whole month of potential losses for somebody who is supposed to be youre an editor. The post has to put a headline in. They say made a mistake. Saying in ohio the coal line will be closed. How dig is that . Thats when she stepped in it. I think that will be mentioned but maybe in a allolo graph. If i were editing the story, would lead with Bernie Sanders victory and try to take a big picture of the Sanders Campaign and look ahead toward the rest of the race and the fact hes consolidated this sort of movement support throughout the primary season. Its not going to go away. What just happened . The how in terms of how Bernie Sanders wins in West Virginia tonight, a big factor here. Independents who want to vote for the republicans in the fall, want to vote for trump in the fall but want to have something to do with this race for governor. They come into the democratic primary, vote in the race for governor and they vote against Hillary Clinton and vote for West Virginia<\/a> will be closing in 30 minutes now. It was a busy day in republican politics. Marco rubio and ted cruz declined to throw their full support behind donald trump. Here they are. Hes the nominee of the Republican Party<\/a> or the presumptive nominee. I respect that and accept it. Thats not going to change the reservations i have about his campaign or the policies. Its six months until the general election. There will be plenty of time for voters to make the determination who they will support. Voters will be listening to the candidates, listening to what they support and assessing them on their merit. Its amazing. You get a flash look and remind you of their entire persona. Im not saying that positively. Rubio said he plans to live up to the pledge to support the nominee, but he has serious concerns about trump. I dont know what they mean anymore. Trump said he doesnt think the party needs to be unified. Basically, we need to talk a\rabout how do we unify the Republican Party<\/a>. We shouldnt just pretend our party is unified when we know its not. Its been one week since the primary ended. Its going to take more than a week just to repair and unify this party. Is he coming in as the boss or a job applicant . The party sees him as shall be coming in as a job applicant. He won. Theyre going to read him the riot act. Donald trump has the abilities to go in there and the voters to say no. They dont want your way of doing things. They dont want your Republican Party<\/a>. Who speaks for the republican voter today better, trump or ryan . Who is speaking for the voter out there . Not a 1 percenter. A regular republican. Who speaks for that male or female . I dont think the entire Republican Party<\/a> is completely behind donald trump. Are they behind ryan in. I dont think so either. I think they want a change. I think a good majority of them saw that donald trump was the one that would probably best be able to do that in their minds. I think donald trump is closer to the republican voter. You should write a book about the trump youve covered. What an assignment and what a\rjob youve done. We go to steve. Were taking a look here at West Virginia<\/a> and nebraska republicans. How do they feel about their party now and winning in november . We asked Republicans United<\/a> now. 10 say this is a united Republican Party<\/a>. Most of those are saying its divided. They will come together. A quarter is saying this is party that will remain divided through the general election. Quarter of republicans in West Virginia<\/a> saying that. In nebraska, look at this. Its nearly half. Nearly half the republicans say this is a party thats going to stay divided between now and november. Why this is so interesting is because donald trump was asked about this the other day . Do you need the Republican Party<\/a> to be united to win in november . He said i dont think i need to. I think im a different kind of candidate than youve seen and i can win with a divided party. Republicans are saying they largely agree with that. Look at this, 90 of the West Virginia<\/a> republicans say trump will probably win in the fall and in nebraska very high number as well. Over 80 . 75 . Three quarters of the republicans who say this party will stay divided, they still think trump will win in the fall. Well said. Paul, thank you for coming on. Youre the man. I want to you about trump. How you getting along with him . Great. Good relationship . Yes. Whats he like compared to what he see on the stage . Same guy. I find him a bit subdued. Depends on the day. Youre been watching and youre a big part of it, explain it to the young person reading the history book. What happened in 2016 that had the Republican Party<\/a> regular, scott walker, perry, every one\rof them, rubio, cruz, they all went down in a ravine. They are ditched by this one guy, beats all of them and wins the republican nomination. What is it in the times that allowed that to happen . Donald trump figured out the campaign for a moderate presidency is different than in the past. He didnt put together a traditional campaign. Its the First Modern Campaign<\/a> in the social media era. He understood how to use earned media instead of paid media. He also had a vision. He came in with plan to change everything as a true outsider. He was not involved in politics until ten months ago. He combined a modern campaign with a vision that not\rrestricted by the conventional wisdom of politics in washington. Those two things made a different where he will be now. How does he fit the Republican Party<\/a> . He went throughout and was the largest vote getter in the history of primaries. He beat the record by may 3rd. He is now the head of the Republican Party<\/a> as far as voters in country are concerned. He ran everywhere. He won everywhere. I think tonights numbers show the republicans are happy with their nominee. They turned out in two states. They didnt have to turn out. They wanted to support his vision and his plan for america. How much power that shows him within a point or two in states like pennsylvania where he can win the whole thing. Whats that say to paul ryan when he greets him . He cant greet him as a contender. Donald trumps candidacy has been filled with myths he was not a serious candidate. He never could break did i ever say that . Go back and look. They also said he couldnt break 30 , he couldnt break 40. He would never win a oneonone race. They were right. The point is theyve been wrong all along. Lets talk strategy. Lets head to the convention because its more fun. Weve had exciting conventions. 68 was a hell of a democratic convention. It didnt help the party that lost. Are boring conventions better . Can you have a positive, exciting election . You can. How do you do that . Donald trump understands media. Hes a television star. Are you going to have features on monday and tuesday night . How are you going to use television when a lot of People Like Us<\/a> use the convention. We cover it and talk amongst ourselves. How do you come up with comp Compelling Television<\/a> . Were sitting down with the rnc and talk about it. We have ideas. Youll have to break some eggs. I dont think so. Reince priebus will give us an exciting convention . Donald trump will. Will you have a reality show . This is the ultimate reality show. Its the presidency of the united states. Well be talking to america, not just donald trump but the Republican Party<\/a>. Lets take a look at your candidate here. He spent the weekend attacking both clintons. Here is how hes going out. Im saying to myself, but nobody in this country, and maybe in the history of the country, politically, was worse than bill clinton with women. Shes married to a man who was the worst abuser of women in the history of politics. Shes married to a man who hurt many women and hillary, if you look and see study, hillary hurt many women. The women that he abused. She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler. What she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. Put that in her bonnet and lets see what happens. Is he on solid ground there . I dont know this story. He talks about how Hillary Clinton<\/a> was not just an enabler but humiliated woman involved with her husband. Do you have any facts to back that up . Does the candidate . The point hes he said Hillary Clinton<\/a> did nasty, terrible things to these women who alleged have a relationship with her husband. Did she do that . Hell be talk about that on the campaign. Shehes told you stuff that will now bring out . We have talked about Hillary Clinton<\/a> playing the female card and his willingness to expose that card for what it is. Why is it hypocrite cal for her to be hitting the female\rcard, as you put it . His point is if she were not a women, people its not just rhetoric. How do you make that case . Stay tuned. You got a case . Stay tuned. Have you heard his case . Well not be letting her get away playing the female card. Does it scare you that 1998, bill clinton not only defeated the attempt to remove her from office. It never works against the clintons. They seem to be coming back at their attackers. The clintons have never run against donald trump. You smile. Its going to be a good campaign. Youre going to have a Christian Conservative<\/a> running mate. You must name an evangelical. Everybodys got a opinion. Theres only one that counts. Very confident fellow. Coming up, much more on trumps battle with the republican insiders. We have robert costa with new reporting on that and Steve Schimdt<\/a> coming here. At the bottom of the hour, clpos will be closed. This is hardball, the place for politics. Were now just 15 minutes away from the polls closing. New reporting on the Trump Campaign<\/a> from robert costa. Well be right back. Welcome back. As we await the first results from West Virginia<\/a> coming in at the half hour. Donald trump is said to meet\rwith speaker of the house Paul Manafort<\/a> paul ryan this thursday. A week after ryan said he wasnt ready the endorse the republican nominee for president. The Washington Post<\/a> reported that trump allied ben carson is playing a key role in mending fences with ryan and carson requested his own meeting with the speaker in advance. An advancement on this meeting. It will come after a spokesperson for the Trump Campaign<\/a> said ryan was unfit to be speaker and after sarah palin called for ryans defeat in the wisconsin primary this summer. Im joined by robert costa, Steve Schmidt<\/a> and ann coulter, she has a new book out in trump we trust. Whats the nature of the meeting. I dont like meetings. I dont know what they accomplish. This doesnt excite me or threaten me. Is trump coming in as the job applicant or as the boss, which is it . Based on my reporting and ive spoken to people close to ryan and close to trump, they hope to come to some kind of consensus on what the partys principles are and whether there can be agreement. Theres not going to be a heavy discussion on policy. This isnt about a litmus test or whether they can agree on immigration and trade. Its whether they can have unity. Trump has been speaking for a year on what he thinks of policy. Dont they pay attention. Dont they have transcripts. Why do they have to ask they didnt like what they heard and whey want to hear something else, ann. I think youre right. I think it shows that trump is being unbelievably gracious. He doesnt need to have this meeting. Hes the heart and soul of the party. I think he could have said, i hope he comes aboard. Were going to have a lot of fun. I dont think he would waste a lot of time on these meetings. The people are with him and theres no point in meeting with these generals without armies. Whats the best line in your book . I know you remember it. Im writing it now. You dont have the best line. I might quote you. You were right about manafort, who you were the only one not dismissive of trump. Lets go back to steve. I think hes a mixed bag. This meeting, what do you make of this meeting. Washington loves this stuff. They go behind closed doors. They come out holding hands. They go in angry and come out happy. Thats my thinking. The Republican Voters<\/a> spoke. They let it be known theyre contempt for the republican establishment. Donald trump arrives at this meeting as a conquerer of the political order over the last generation. This meeting is important because i think theres an open question. Can a party led by donald trump, can it survive . Its the majority party. He tries to come out with yunit with the speaker and others. Hes got to have a unified Republican Party<\/a>. Hes got to do well with independents and pick up his\rfair share of con sempb tifr worki conservative democrats. The Trump Campaign<\/a> confirmed, well, i do rely on the prompter. A video attacking clinton. The video uses interviews with the families of the victims. It looks like swift voting. It contains elements that may be offensive to some viewers. I have to say that. Here it is. Weve seen rage and violence directed at american embassies. She lied to me. She told me it was fault of the video. She said we are going to have the film maker arrested who is responsible for the death of your son. She did say to you that benghazi attack was caused by protests . Absolutely. I dont know why thats funny. Well, we all know how editing\rworks. Whatever you say about any of this, i think its problematic, having her laughing like mad, tragedy that cost the life of an actual friend of hers, Chris Stephens<\/a> the ambassador. Its editing and malicious. Is this thing going to work . My sources close to trump says he has dozens of these videos ready to go on different fronts. They are often hard hitting of audio blended together. This is the Trump Campaign<\/a> style. They are trying to reach out to Movement Conservatives<\/a> to paul ryan. When it comes to social media, instagram, theyre playing at a lower level and trying to incite voters and get conservatives excited. I dont buy the idea that tend justifies the means. Ive seen this with dukakis in 88. You can destroy an opponent with a good ad campaign. Come back with your book. Up next, well get a look at the race in West Virginia<\/a>. Polls will be closed at the bottom of the hour. Well have our projection on that race very, very quickly now. This is hardball, the place for politics. Just moments away from the polls closing in West Virginia<\/a>. Well have our first projections. Seems like she has to play this rear guard against Bernie Sanders<\/a>. She has. She thought it would be over now. She clearly cant give her attention to the campaign. Even though shes overwhelmingly likely to win the nomination. The fact hes kept winning\rprimaries. He was favored going in. The fact he keeps doing well, the fact he keeps drawing thousands and thousands of people to rallies. Theres nothing like it. Have you ever seen a loser do so well . A guy who will probably not win has tremendous crowds formed. Exactly. A lot of passion. Those people will still there be there after the convention. She needs to win their support. The Democratic Coalition<\/a> has to turn out. Thats the way the math works. They also want to keep the people mad for Bernie Sanders<\/a> in the party. Theyre not necessarily in the party. Theyre not in the party. Hes activated a lot of political enthusiasm among vofos who wouldnt necessarily be participating at all. You want to keep them involved. You want to get them out to vote. As you know, its difficult to get young voters out to vote. I see tradition about to play the role. The guy who gives the best speech is never the nominee. Its so democratic. Bernie will get his hour on stage. Hell get his hour and influence of the platform too. The speech he gets to give is his speech. He can say anything he wants. Hes really created a movement. Hes appealed to people in a way, no one would have said that Bernie Sanders<\/a> would be a political rock star. You know what sanders said to me, a year ago you would have treated me as a fringe candidate. I meaning fringe is about right. Theres a near and present reality to young families. Youre 22 years old. You get out of school. Youre paying 8 on it. Bernie says i can help you with it. Hillary says what. Its going to be a challenge to keep them upbeat. The question of how do young\rpeople get a start in life these days. Hard to launch when you have that pack on your back. You go to med school or law school. There it is. Its now 7 30. The polls are closed in West Virginia<\/a> now. Msnbc news can project when all votes are counted in West Virginia<\/a>, Bernie Sanders<\/a> will be the winner of the West Virginia<\/a> primary. On the republican side, no surprise here, Donald Trumps<\/a> the projected winner. Adding to his delegate totals and getting closer to that magic number of 1237, the majority. Lets talk about the democrats. We were just talking about Bernie Sanders<\/a>. He could win four this month. He could sweep may essentially. This could be a very good month for him. Oregon, kentucky. He could do well. Theyre just bad for clinton. She will win california. To have a whole month of potential losses for somebody who is supposed to be youre an editor. The post has to put a headline in. They say made a mistake. Saying in ohio the coal line will be closed. How dig is that . Thats when she stepped in it. I think that will be mentioned but maybe in a allolo graph. If i were editing the story, would lead with Bernie Sanders<\/a> victory and try to take a big picture of the Sanders Campaign<\/a> and look ahead toward the rest of the race and the fact hes\rconsolidated this sort of movement support throughout the primary season. Its not going to go away. What just happened . The how in terms of how Bernie Sanders<\/a> wins in West Virginia<\/a> tonight, a big factor here. Independents who want to vote for the republicans in the fall, want to vote for trump in the fall but want to have something to do with this race for governor. They come into the democratic primary, vote in the race for governor and they vote against Hillary Clinton<\/a> and vote for Bernie Sanders<\/a>. Were finding that 40 of sanders voters tonight in West Virginia<\/a> say that if its a choice many fall between sanders and donald trump, theyre voting\rfor donald trump. They are not voting for Bernie Sanders<\/a>. The other thing in terms of what this means to the national race, Bernie Sanders<\/a> is saying if i run the table here, i can still catch Hillary Clinton<\/a> in the pledge delegates. Hes down 295 pledge delegates coming into tonight. We know hes won West Virginia<\/a>. We know Hillary Clinton<\/a> will still get delegates. He probably takes 19 of those 29. We dont know for sure yet. Say its about 1910 split. Means he gains nine. Means he come into the night down 295. He would come out down 286. This is a proportional system. This is the biggest problem you have in youre Bernie Sanders<\/a> to make up that kind of gap. How much of this is the pattern that we have seen in previous elections. Its not buyers remorse but\rthey like to show their attitude, their point of view. Are you voting for somebody. We saw this with kennedy versus nixon. It seems to be a pattern. Eight years ago on the democratic side, four of the final six contests clinton versus obama. They were won by Hillary Clinton<\/a>. Theyre doesnt seem to be an indication that voters in the states are saying time to get in line. Lets get behind hillary. Lets show unity here. Sa sanders could put up six, seven wins down the stretch. Lets bring in chuck todd. This thing we keep talking about it, i hate talking like were south african or something, we talk about ethnicity and race\rall the time. The africanamerican vote has been so strong for Hillary Clinton<\/a> and when its not there, she doesnt do well. You cant help go back eight years ago. When the africanamerican vote wasnt there, who did well . Hillary clinton. We have proof of these states. Does gender and racial identity matter a bit here. Hillary clinton did better in states without a large africanamerican vote. Shes getting all the africanamerican votes now. None of that i think its proof that none of that vote for her eight years ago was for her. It was antiobama. I think what we can safely say its probably just as likely that a lot of the sanders vote tonight, a majority of it is prosanders. Theres probably a good chunk thats antihillary. What is that . Is that a nasty, what . Im trying to figure out what that is on us. A lot of people will say its race and gender based. I think some of the more you cant ignore that aspect of it. Is it white people not voting for Hillary Clinton<\/a> because what . She identified with obama. Shes identified with obama or it could be on gender lines. Lets not ignore that aspect here. We saw what happened in the same states eight years ago. You cant ignore a factor. Is it t factor . No. I dont think its the factor. You cant ignore the fact that barack obama only get less than 60 of the vote against a convicted felon four years ago. Theres a significant portion\rthats antiobama, Antidemocratic Party<\/a> now. Theres a will the of things going on here. Lets not pretend that race and gender arent playing a role too. I have to tell you, i looked at where the kennedynixon race began to change west of philly. I saw joe leibermans change. This country gets very culturely and conservative once you move west of place like philadelphia. My concern, this cycle is that i think its worse now in both ends of the spectrum. I think there are fewer and fewer people that live in neighborhoods that are mixed politically. Thats youre right in what youre saying in history but there are fewer swing congressional districts than ever before. Theres fewer swing counties than we have seen before. This selfsorting thats taking place. The idea that Political Party<\/a> is a culture identifier as well. When Political Party<\/a> became a culture identifier. That didnt always use to be. I think its becoming a little more of a culture identifier and that has ramifications going forward. Thats why governing is so hard. Thats why its hard for an elected official to compromise because they get punished for doing it because theyre breaking their cultural norm. This is a larger party that both Political Parties<\/a> have to deal with. I got to leon panetta institute\rand that place is all nervous about trump. Theyre very nervous about him. I dont think were switzerland. Seems like that. Bernie sanders is the projected winner of West Virginia<\/a>. Just happened now. Lets bring in kacie hunt in washington. I love your focus group. I thought it was very interesting among republican women. Actual voters who are not part of the power structure. It was great. Thank you. It was a really interesting hour that i spent. Thanks to the participants that spent this time talking with us. I think tfrs very illuminating in so much this is a group of people that donald trump or rather the republican nominee should be able to count on. The people that we talk to have been members of the Republican Party<\/a>. a same time, i thought it was really interesting that they essentially debated among themselves and i hardly had to moderate the discussion at all from that perspective. You had two people who were older women, who were very, very much supportive of donald trump and very much bought into the policies hes been selling in this primary. Then you had three younger women who didnt. One member was undecided. I asked her, what would it take for donald trump to convince you to vote for him. She said he has to change his border wall policy and he has to change the policies on the muslim ban. She said that was unconstitutional. The other two jumped in and defended her. Sounds like why the Clinton Campaign<\/a> will be running very\rtough ads against trump and what hes said about the wall along the rio grand and hoping to get younger republican women to come over. Lets bring in kristen welker. Theyre not going to take another loss. Thats right. I spoke with a Clinton Campaign<\/a> official moments ago who said that. Secretary clinton has in the month of may and theyre up with ads here. Thats a real shift in her strategy. She didnt put campaign ads up in West Virginia<\/a> or indiana, a state she also lost. I asked are they going to put ads up in california and new jersey. They say they are thinking about\rit. They are more powe kused on this primary. Secretary clinton just left here this venue in louisville a short while ago where she was rallying voters. As you were just discussing, shes very focused on the general election. She released an ad that could be used in the primary or the general arguing shes the toughest candidate and has the most experience to head to the white house. Key to her strategy is rallying and reaching out to those women voters that kacie interviewed. This is another key part of her strategy we havent talked about. Drawing sharp distinctions with donald trump over the chaos in the gop, trying to capitalize on the fact its faktured party. Today she put out yet another list of conservatives who have broken with donald trump. I think thats a preview of what we can expect to see. Thanks to much. Lets go to gene. Looks like trump is working that vain. Absolutely. Thats his only path to victory. You have not just the cultural issues but also the economic issues. Thats where a lot of those people are, whose prospects have dimmed so much and look toward the future. Theyre angry that the politicians have been selling them a bill of goods. Thats been the way they feel. Trumps got to get those people. Hes got to get them this\rmassive numbers to win. You see this interesting, urban rural in cities like charlotte and birmingham are liberal places. Let me go to chuck on this. That is that question about trump and how he runs the general election. You look at numbers and call them outliers. They show a contested competition for pennsylvania. Let me ask a relative question. Are there signs its getting closer than we thought or signs it may blow out in. I think right now its signs its getting more normalized and more competitive. Republican voters have come home to trump faster than republican leaders. We saw that in polling three weeks ago. The Republican Voters<\/a> are ahead of where the leadership in washington is. Thats number one. I really think the ultimate test is going to be after the convention. Thats where were going to see what kind of convention. Craig was on my show earlier today. He just noted a very simple fact. We have talked about how divided parties lose, divided conventions are a sign of losing a convention. He went through them. 68, 80. Republicans, 64, 76, 92 where the conventions were divisive moments. You saw the party was not united. That sends a message to the general lektsorate. One party doesnt know what it is. One party does know. What does donald trump what kind of unified republican message can he present at his convention in cleveland . Where does that stand . On paper, generic d, generic r, i thought this election was going to be the 2004 election all over. That close, the map reverting back to preobama norms, all of those things. Obviously, trump creates a new situation. Well see. Sanders owns West Virginia<\/a>. The bigger thing is donald trump maybe owns West Virginia<\/a>. Not only a big win and uncontested, but check this out. Digging deeper into the numbers on the democratic side, we asked\rthem regardless of who youre voting for today, who are you going to be with in november. One third of democrats today in West Virginia<\/a> say no matter what, im with a democratic candidate. Look at that. 27 say im with donald trump. A little more than a third, 36 are saying it depends. A couple of different factors. Its Trump Country<\/a> in West Virginia<\/a>. I think thats what were seeing. Do you put this on hillarys map when she tours the country or do you skip West Virginia<\/a> . Talking about this with chuck. In 08 she has the winning streak in West Virginia<\/a>. At the very beginning of this campaign, there was talk coming from some people around clinton that maybe these are states she could put in play. Theyre not saying that anymore. I think this says shes not going to be campaigning. Thank you. Bernie sanders the projected winner in West Virginia<\/a>. He beat Hillary Clinton<\/a>. Much more ahead. The news this hour, senator Bernie Sanders<\/a> of vermont is the projected winner in West Virginia<\/a>. Donald trump wins the state as well. This special edition of hardball is back after this. Bernie sanders is now the projected winner of the West Virginia<\/a> democratic primary. Lets bring in republican strategist Steve Schmidt<\/a>. Were getting interpretation thanks to Steve Kornacki<\/a> saying West Virginia<\/a>, although it is ton and it 92 will be in the headlines tomorrow, Bernie Sanders<\/a> countries. If you go into the internals its going to be Trump Country<\/a>. Hes going to get a lot of democratic votes, maybe a quarter, maybe a third. West virginia used to be a reliable democratic state. Its transitioned to become a monolithic republican state. In terms of the outcome of a president ial race over the last decade or so. It really represents the change of the dna, really, of the Democratic Coalition<\/a> away from the working class, bluecollar\rdemocrats of yesteryear, towards the obama coalition, which is much more left, much more urban, much more liberal. And so republicans have a chance in some of these states ohio, pennsylvania, West Virginia<\/a> where you have a lot of scotirish descendents, workingclass white democrats running through the Appalachian Mountains<\/a> in this country. Lets bring in msnbc political commentator Eugene Robinson<\/a> and lucian that lopez. Ive been working on this project about the early elections in the 50s and 60s, kennedy races. Back then, being a democrat was great. You talked about unemployment, jobs, putting people to work, minimum wage, you talked about medicare. Now youve got to talk about guns, which people dont want to hear. You talk about how coal is bad for the country and the world. You talk about samesex in a part of the country that isnt keen on that cultural stuff. Abortion, religion. All of a sudden youre talking about things that arent\rreally well received. In the old days a democrat could just say, poverty here, lets do something about it. The Democratic Party<\/a> moved to the left. I think it never really had a conversation about where the party was going to go. This is not bill clintons Democratic Party<\/a>. Thats obvious. The centrist, moderate, southern governor, democratic governor, who are those . Where are the blue dog democrats . Have you happy about this . Im thrilled because Hillary Clinton<\/a> is trying to wage right now, quite unsuccessfully, a twofront war. Bernies to her left so shes moving over there when she can. Donald trump has vanquished 16 opponents, she cant vanquish one. I think he could pivot to a general election and take her on the next 90 days. Youre looking quizcally. Youve seen her and she has spoken well what do you make of that argument . I think a lot of this isnt necessarily about left versus right so much as insider versus outsider. So much of trumps success is from people who look at politicians, republican or Democratic Party<\/a>, and say, what have you done for me lately . By lately i mean 20 or 30 years. Thats why theyre going to trump. I dont think its necessarily left versus right in this election, i think there are more ways to look at things. Who do you think the next democratic senator from West Virginia<\/a> is going to be . That persons not born yet. It will be a long time. I want to talk about the culture of West Virginia<\/a>, talking about it tonight, results are in, trump looks good, bernie looks good, hillary doesnt. A candidate like joe manson can win in West Virginia<\/a>. Thats the sort of prototypical West Virginia<\/a>n democrat. Have to be centrist. Likes coal miners you cant say such nasty things about coal. You know, as i said earlier, its not the Democratic Party<\/a> putting coal out of business, its not Hillary Clinton<\/a>, its natural gas and fracking and large economic trends. But its the democrats were in part paying the price. The same with trade and everything, it always is the party that has these positions. Thank you, Steve Schmidt<\/a>, kelly ann conway, Eugene Robinson<\/a>, luciana lopez. The news is that Bernie Sanders<\/a> is the projected winner of West Virginia<\/a>. Hes going to get the headlines tomorrow. More wins for him, more crowds, more money, 27 a person, hes doing it, hes still in this thing. Youre watching a special edition of hardball. If youre approaching 65, nows the time to get your ducks in a row. To learn about medicare, and the options you have. You see, medicare doesnt cover everything only about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. So if 65 is around the corner, think about an aarp Medicare Supplement<\/a> insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. Like all standardized Medicare Supplement<\/a> insurance plans, they help cover some of what medicare doesnt pay. And could save you in outofpocket medical costs. So dont wait. Call to request your free decision guide. And gather the information now to help you choose a plan later. These types of plans let you pick any doctor or hospital that takes medicare patients. And theres a range of plans to choose from, depending on you needs and your budget. 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