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MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews July 2, 2016

The tribune are using loud speakers telling anyone who isnt part of the Security Forces to clear the area and security personnel should put on bullet proof vest. Islamic state through its affiliated news agency has taken responsibility. Though the state Department Said it cannot confirm that claim. The wounded are being treated, at least 26 people were injured, at least 10 people critically. They range from broken bones to gunshot wounds and that is according to officials. Bangladesh is traditionally a moderate muslim nation. There has been an uptick in violence there. The Associated Press reports that since 2013, nearly two dozen have been murdered by attackers wielding meat cleavers and machetes, members of religious minorities, social activists and even foreign workers. For more 0 im joined by Foreign Correspondent matt bradley, hes covering one terrorist attack that took place earlier this week and this evening where as we mentioned learning more details about what is unfolding in bangladesh, an attack that isis has claimed responsibility for. It has been a devastating week, when you put these two terrorist attacks on the spectrum of what isis is capable of doing, what it has been doing. What is the assessment of isiss claim of responsibility. How credible do we believe it to be right now . Reporter well, im not sure whether i can evaluate whether this is a credible claim of responsibility. But these two incidents, were talking about this comes a couple of days after the incident that happened just behind me where 44 people were killed, thats a totally different incident. Islamic state did not claim responsibility, but the turkish authorities believe Islamic State was behind it. It has a lot of the fingerprints of Islamic State. Another totally different incidence, they have one strong similarity, both of them show sightings of how this group is transitioning from a sort of sue toe state that pseudo state that governs in iraq and syria into a more traditional terrorist organization in the mold of al qaeda. Islamic state has been facing pressures on the battlefield. They have defeats and not just in iraq and syria, but also in libya. And so this tasks of governing their self declared caliphate in iraq and syria has become so onerous theyre traditioning into a more al qaeda like group where theyre launching the street attacks in this cafe and this airport behind me here in in instanbul. Covering not only the attack there, but also putting in context there what is unfolding. We want to now cross over to bangladesh. Were joined on the phone, claiming editor at the tribune. Hes been up all night, its good to have you with us. I know its been a long night for you and certainly for the people in bangladesh. What can you tell us what is unfolding now with daybreak. What is the situation there, describe for us what is unfolding as you see it or as youve heard about it from your sources . Caller a lot has been happening just in the last 20 minutes. Its about 8 00 a. M. This morning. Since 7 40 were told that gunfire has been heard. Eight or nine explosions have been heard correspondent on the ground has told us that the armed forces are on the move and that the police have breached the compound has begun. I want to add something, this is something that i had not mentioned earlier, its worth noting that this is a very major attack. Its a major situation involving foreigners and unfortunately probably a lot of bloodshed. Its worth noting a hindu priest was hacked to death in remote part of bangladesh, and this morning another priest was attacked. Although he didnt die, he was in critical conditions. So this is part of a large sort of just to give you context about whats happening, a lot of things have been happening lately and this crisis is one of many things, one of many events that happened here. I want to talk to you a little bit about the operation that youve described as saying the breach of the compound seems to be getting underway. Can you talk to us about what type of forces have been deployed over night in the course of the hours where it was dark there. Are we seeing a heavier presence of different types of security personnel. And do you know if at any point was there an attempt to negotiate an end to this that was unsuccessful and thats why now were seeing the Security Forces move in . Caller let me answer your second question first. He was an advisor to the Prime Minister here, the Security Forces were trying to negotiate. Failing wish they would launch an so thats something that is now on the record. Over the course of the nights, a number of different Law Enforcement agencies have made have arrived. Weve had the taliban, various branches of the police forces. Weve had bangladesh, which is socialized reported patrol. Weve had probably uniformed members of the armed forces, the army, et cetera, as well, perhaps an advisory role. To have been a lot of different forces. Weve had fire service nearby just in case. All kind, just about the entire array of bangladeshs Law Enforcement and Law Enforcement agencies have been here on site. The home minister came in about three hours two hours ago, maybe three hours ago and was on the site. And so this is something that everybody is taking very seriously and we have been here we have been told that there was and this was confirmed about an hour and a half ago, that negotiations had been underway. Also, im going to ask you to stay with us just for a moment. We want to also bring in msnbc senior, digital editor who has been following a lot of the developments for us as well online with some of the material and content that is coming there. And cal, i understand, theres been some new information regarding what is being described as this breach of this compound. Right. And just reflecting what were hearing there from the ground, we understand that theres been some armour personnel carriers moving into position, thats that video you see there some of those vehicle marked u. N. Have been left in the country for a while. Theyve been on the scene for some 10 hours. One of the things we have been surmising throughout this, perhaps the Security Forces will wait until daylight, not having the more technical equipment that you would fine in european type countries. The reporting that we are getting now, there are not only screams being here, a series of explosions and gunfire. It is quite likely that this operation is now on going to breach that, that restaurant. All right, cal, thank you very much for that update. Are you still with us . I am. So, i know you said you had a correspondent who is on the ground there. Can you tell us what hes been able to hear from some of the people that have been leaving this scene, you know, you mentioned that police had been on loud speakers asking peek op to leave the area. Do you have any more information on terms of how the Security Forces areryg to breach the compound right now . So the announcement by a loud speaker to clear the area came about two hours ago, our correspondent is there. He also mentioned that the remaining people who were there, security personnel were to put on bullet proof vest. Thats from two hours ago. There was some sort of a low, now, were having the formal operation, i think. Im watching on the tv screen there, there are some local media on the ground, there are showing images on the personnel carrier and various kind of army trucks in the vicinity, whether theyre being used in that procedure, i dont know. Theres a heavy military presence around the compound. But we cannot confirm exactly whats happening in the compound. I know that earlier in the evening when we started reporting, some of the live pictures or live feed that was being put out was deliberately put into play back so that it would not be showing, perhaps, the attackers inside the live developments outside of the compound. Is that still the case is local media reporting this, there are live pictures from the scene of the seize. I can speak to the question of blorwhether or not there was black out. What i can tell you is the media was kept at some distance, probably, for their own safety. From the compound when things with r going down. There were at least 500 yards away from the venue. But now that we have, you know, after daybreak, you know, the images that im seeing on tv, seem to be being shot from not too far away from where this is happening. The route on which this venue is located, its a fact that ends at borders edge. Its the last front fronting the lake. So i think they probably shutdown the road, you know, somewhat, you know, inland and that whole area has been off limits for nonpersonnel. Also, im going to ask you to stick with us as well, well touch base with you in just a few more moments. I want to bring in jim kav gnaw who is msnbc Law Enforcement Hostage Negotiator for the atf. I know youve been following this since the early hours it has broke and has been developing throughout the course of the night in bangladesh. Are you also surprised that the police decided to move in with daybreak as opposed to use the advantage of nighttime and darkness . Well, it looks a little heavy handed, a little clumsy from what were seeing, we dont know everything the commanders know. If you bring a row of armour personnel carrier towards the restaurant, thats not doing to really be the surgical type special operation that we would want to see in a hostage rescue that an american Law Enforcement squad or military around the world would launch. I hope thats not the case. I hope theres a Surgical Strike ahead of this and maybe this is just a fillin behind the perimeter. But the key for the commanders on the ground is, are the hostages alive . Thats the first thing, are the hostages alive . You know, they could have been killed at any period over the night and if so, you know, that changes your decision on the assault. If you know theyre alive or at least many of them are alive and they cant make any contact, at some point, theyll want to do a deliberate assault, but not a clumsy heavy handed deliberate assault thats going to result in a lot of deaths at the hostages, rather a Surgical Strike, more technical we can discuss as you would like. But right here, all we can see from what we can see, we would normally see it if it was done correctly. And jim, let me ask you about this development that happened, which was the advisory to the Prime Minister and this is according to roiters, you know, saying they were trying to negotiate an end to this crisis and that perhaps now that were seeing this movement, now that were seeing what is being described as this breach getting underway, is that a suggestion that the negotiations failed or what do you think may have changed the calculation just from a few hours ago when there was a relative calmer on the compound . Right. Well sometimes people read known negotiation wrong. What they have to read is the es ska lags and deescalation in the situation inside. If nobody is dying and theres no negotiation, you might have more room to maneuver your forces into a better position. You dont have to rush it. But sometimes, you know, weve seen over the years where commanders will say theyre not talking so well go in. You cant make the Decision Just on that one piece of information, youve got to go one, are the hostages alive; thats the main piece of information you need. Where are they how are they being detained, held, are they tied, are they bomb strapped to them. How many terrorists may be with them, as much information as you can get from the hostages that escape, one or two escaped from the one terrorist that was captured and the long rifle teams that were watching, microphones that you can insert inside. You gather all that information before you make a decision to make a deliberate assault, youre always looking for the advantage, all they want is an advantage, it might be slight but thats what theyve got to get to make their move. I want to go back to bangladesh now and joining us by phone is an editor with the tribune, hes only a few blocks away from the restaurant. Lets go straight to him and if you can tell us what youre seeing, can you describe for us the nature of what is unfolding there from where you are standing. Hello. Ello. Yeah, i can hear you. Whats going on right now is the operation is underway, so you have if is in fact stronger, thats what i believe the gunfire also come to a conclusion, probably fairly shortly, i believe. Why do you think its going to come to a conclusion fairly shortly, what makes you think that. I believe that the rescue operation is now finally underway. It has been on hold all evening, but further up the reports im getting is that theyve finally moved in. Youre talking about hearing the sounds of gunfire. Can you give us a sense right. Of what is unfolding in terms of the military operation . Is there a gunfire coming in from both directions, meaning coming of the of the compound, as well as that from the Security Forces . Thats a very good question. Im not sure that there is. It seems that there may be gunfire coming from inside the compound, but it is very difficult have you been there throughout the course of the night or are you just arriving on the scene. Im not at the scene myself. Fair enough. And i was just trying to get a sense of the atmosphere around you, are there other journalists an are there civilians nearby who have evacuated the area or is it is there a mix of both civilians as well as security personnel where you are right now. Yeah. Everyone is staying in the building. Theyve been theyve been advised not to move around and theyve shut the streets down in the immediate vicinity, and that that cleared the perimeter for the Law Enforcement operation to actually do their operation. And do you have anything to suggest the conditions of the hostages that were taken. Do police know if theres been a change in their status over night or what compelled them, from your report and from your sources i have very bad news on that. I have ive seen pictures, which are very authentic of dead bodies from inside the restaurant. So its fairly grew some. These are pictures which have been put up what appears to be an Islamic State web site. And, yeah, it looks really quite horrible. Certainly theres been a lot of killing. Im not quite sure if theyre dead or a if there are any more alive inside at all. Theyre out there. Theyre on twitter. Fair enough. Theyre in the public domain. We havent been able to independent verify any of those images. Let me ask you why, have you seen the ive been in the restaurant inside myself. I can verify theyre taken from inside the restaurant personally. I was going to ask you that. No question in my mind the authenticity of these photographs. I believe the ones i see eight, nine, maybe ten people dead. Okay. And i just want to understand some of these details. So stay with us here for one second. Youve been inside that restaurant before . Yeah, i have been, yeah. And some of the images. I can guarantee those pictures were taken inside that restaurant. Some of the images you have seen online, you can independent feel that they are the sames ones inside the restaurant, similar setting . Yeah, its a similar setting. It is clearly taken from inside that restaurant and theyre clearly dead bodies. Have police on the scene told you what made them to decide to go ahead with this operation . Theyve been keeping the operational details close which is probably why, they havent been sharing that information with us in terms of the timing of the operations and why they have moved and what theyve been doing. They, in fact, moved they moved the Television Cameras there for the first couple of hours and they moved those out after a few hours. And since then, information is to the operation has been very scarce, i think it makes a lot of sense that any operation is going to be efficient and effective. And have you heard it all from the leadership of banglade bangladesh, in terms of the political leadership, the government, have they addressed the operation that is on going now and what compelled them to go. Have they revealed anything about the collapse of those militaries. Nothing that looked like that has come out yet. Im going to ask you to stay with us, if i can, from the tribune who is telling us now from what hes been able to see, he has is seen some images onli online. Hes describing for us the operation as getting underway. The presence of multiple layers of bangladesh security, the most significant development, someone who has frequented, he has been able to see some images that have been circulating online that shows thats being described as grew some detail suggesting that some of those that were inside the restaurant have been, in fact, killed, some of those hostages. We have not been able to identify that here, well be continue to work on that. More per speck ty on this, shes a bangladeshianborn journalist and founder. Its good to have you with us. I know its a very long night and this is a significant development. Im curious to get your thoughts on how the government is handling this and what may have changed in their calculation to compel them to launch this operation. You know it probably better than anyone at this point. Thank you, so much for having me on. You know, this situation is so fluid. I mean, we know as much as you do right now. I mean, its on going. Were following the developments very carefully and i think that the governments actions are speaking, literally, a lot louder than their words. But just i mean, just as to tell you, i dont even know what to say. Im in such shock. I really want the viewers to understand that bangladesh is not bangladesh is not baghdad. We are not in a green zone here. Yes, this is a big diplomatic center, but its also the city center. People are not divided where the green zone this is an integrated community. Bangladesh is a Huge Development success story. We have Huge Development eight community in bangladesh. I cant even tell you, this bakery is a great place for diplomats to go but its also a great place for locals to go. My nephews go there every day. This is not just targeting foreigners, this is targeting locals, as well. And its really i mean bangladesh, you know, working in the news for the past coupl

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