Youll want to subscribe to. Veep stakes continue tomorrow. More from cleveland and more on Hillary Clinton meeting with tim kaine. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. Bill mahr plays hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in new york. The Republican Convention is just days away now and the partys nominee is running the most unpredictable, some would say confounding campaign in modern times. The Democratic Campaign is facing a major trust deficit. Only 37 of voters consider her trustworthy. On top of that the country seems polarized on issues of race and policing. Saying America Needs more love
and kindness. Whose vision will prevail this november . With me the whole hour, bill mahr. He is hosting a series of four episodes all live during the republican and democratic conventions. Nothing like having here. I can ask you the toughest question. If you had to explain this to someone you knew living overseas, what would you explain is going on in this country on racial issues . It depends on which country who i was talking to is from. Some countries dont have a racial problem like we do because they dont have a history of slavery like we do. We never really got race right in this country. It is the original sin of this country. A fault line that weve tried to cover up. Every time something racial happens, people act surprised. I just watched a documentary on o. J. Simpson. It is hard to believe that back then, every white person in america was like, of course he
is guilty. And no jury could ever final him anything but guilty. And they were shocked. I was, too. I was on the air. We were all shocked. And black folks were all applauding. Not because they thought he was that innocent but because for once, for one time, a black guy beat the system after the system had beaten black folks so many time. Thats the beginning of it. When it comes to the police, there is never any excuse for what happened. For shooting a policeman . Of course, we all condemn that. There is no ands, ifs or buts. I dont condone it but i do understand it. You understand that guy . Well, i understand the motivation, yes. How many videos can you see . How many years can go by when this is going on when black people are brutally assault . The last guy, right on the ground. And he put a slug in him. Im surprised somebody did not fire back sooner. What do you think of the motives . It is motives are different in every case. Youre the guest tonight. I see the common nature, white Police Officer kills black person. Apparently without justification. What else is going on . Is it prejudice . I introduced a Police Officer once on my old show. He said when i worked in the black neighborhood, i hated all black people. When i hated in the latino neighborhood, i hated latino people. When i worked in the san fernando valley, i hated the white people. When youre a Police Officer, you come up against not the good people. Thats who youre dealing with. Youre a policeman. You deal with criminals. So this is some of that and there is something with police culture. Were not indicting all the police. And without the police, this country would look like that movie, the purge. I was a capitol Police Officer for a while. It is not really dangerous work. One thing they said, when you go to approach a stopped car for a traffic violation. You never stand directly next to the drivers seat. You dont stand right at the window. Could you get plugged in the stomach. So you approach from the back door. So police are basically worried when they stop anybody about who is in that car. Of course. That may explain some of this. But it is a dangerous job. There are statistics on this. How dangerous it is. I dont think it actually cracks the top ten as far as how many deaths. I think cab drivers are killed more than policemen. I think electricians, fishermen. Thats tonight say it is not a dangerous job. But it is a job you signed up for. The answer when you feel nervous about your high of cant be right away to shoot which seems like it happens way too soon. Is it most cops . Probably not. But it is way too many and it gets on film a hot. When you see the guy running across a field and he plugs him from behind. Thats not selfdefense. Thats cowardice. Are we missing something in the tape sometimes . I dont think were missing much in the tape. I dont think were missing much in the rodney king tape. Once you have him on the ground and you have six guys wailing on him with batons, that cannot be justified. The chokehold guy. This is a job you volunteered for. It says protect and serve. Thats to protect and serve us. Thats not to protect and serve you. You have to understand there is an element of danger in this job and you have to accept that. I think most policemen like their job. Yes, there is danger and a lot of perks. You know . This week donald trump tweeted, look whats happening in our country tumd weak leadership of obama and people like crooked Hillary Clinton. We are a divided nation. Do you have the president at any given time has an knew of these situations of Black And White . Do you think the leadership does annoying forestall it . I think this president is awfully good about talking about it, about racial issues. There are lots of folks on one side who say he doesnt do it enough. Like cornell west. I hear it from both of them. And we know what the white side says, that perhaps he is an illegitimate president. I know why he is doing it. Im not saying not black. Thats stupid. But to be someone who is seen as an overall leader and he doesnt
want to be sectarian. It is almost an impossible situation that he put himself that he is in. As much as a president can calm the nation, he is upon the. All these people who think that donald trump will be great for their pocket book because he is rich. He is going to be horrible because he is the opposite of calm. The stock market hates nothing more than volatility. They all pretend they dont like obama because as he democrat and a socialist. He was great for the stock market because he is calm and they love calm. And trump will be horrible. You know the old line, if you want to live like a republican, vote for a democrat. I dont. Thats great. Donald trump called himself the law and order candidate. Too Many Americans are trapped in fear, violence and poverty. We must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country 100 . We will cease we will cease to have a country. I am the law and order candidate. So thats what nixon said. It is a very factfree assessment of whats going. On actually crime has been down the last 10, 20 years. Thats not what it looks like on the evening news. You can see it. Thats not what the media likes. They like sensationalism so people think things are worse. Things are actually better ask statistically they are shown to be better. But thats not how you win votes. If you have kids like do i in new york, you feel a lot better about this vicinity. Of course. I lived here in the hate 70s ask the early 80s. He says black parents should teach their kids to respect the police. Really . He really said that . Republicans wonder why they dont get votes of minorities when they make comments like that. Black lives matter is not inherently racist. It is what it is. Black lives should matter. When we see them gunned down in the street. When theyre not deserving of that, is it not obvious that some movement had to rise up to protest against that . To make your interto, Newt Gingrich on his best behavior said it is more dangerous to be black in america. Not just because of the crime on the street but because of the police. He put it together. Both threats to black youth. What do you think he is up to . He is up to wanting to be Vice President but i dont think that will happen. These republicans are so
alarmed. Many are appalled even though theyre sort of getting behind him. They have spent all these decades of race baiting, antiintellectualism, and conspiracy theories. When a donald trump emerges, theyre surprised. They shouldnt be surprised. The one different thing with donald trump is his temperament. Certainly weve had people who followed that strategy before in the republican party. Weve never had anybody with this kind of temperament. If he became president , it would be government by snit. Every day it would be about tweeting and getting even with people who did not do exactly what he wanted. Do you think this call that obama was somehow the product of a strange personal conspiracy by his mother, that she was a White American woman from kansas and she went over the kenya to have her baby and married an african guy who wasnt exactly the best standup guy. He was not going to be around
very long. Then she somehow got it posted in the honor who lou newspapers and she gave them name hussein obama. President in 35 years . This is why he sued me. It is encredible when you talk it through. Of course. That is racism. I know they hate to hear it. It is the one thing they hate to hear it. I would never say all republicans are racists. But if youre a racist and youre looking for a political party. It is not just trump. If you watch the republican debates, they all follow this script of restore america. I want my country back. It is subtle but not that subtle. They talk about obama and his presidency as if it never existed. Theres something there. We have to put america back to
work. Yeah. Did that. That actually happen. We put america back. We want to rebuild our depleted we didnt deneat military. It went up under obama like every president. Their my explanation of birtherism. You go this all the pictures of john adams all the way through, and they all look white. And then you get to this guy. They want to say, like they just dont like the idea of a black family eating off the white house china. They can couch it any way they want but it did not go down well with them. This is their answer to that. Really wasnt president. And they were hoping that he would be a terrible failure. Then would it never happen again. Bush to his credit, george w. Bush on obamas first day in office said we want to you succeed. That was not the attitude of most republicans and im sure that they hated that history had judge his presidency as having succeeded. I think he is in the top couple tiers. Well talk with the wild president ial race and much more about the rise of donald trump. Youre here to buy a car. What would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. Truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. Now youre an expert in less than a minute. This is truecar. Friday in new york, Donald Trumps pick for vp. Stay tuned for that on friday. Back with bill after this. Do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension. Your Blood Pressure could drop to an unsafe level. To avoid longterm injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. Stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. Ask your doctor about viagra single packs. Im not a stomer, but im calling about that credit scorecard. to dog give it. Sure its free for everyone. Oh well thats nice and checking your score wont hurt your credit. Oh to dog im so proud of you. Well thank you. Get your free credit scorecard at discover. Com. All i know is whats on the internet. Right. Me too. I get my news from porno. I find her slogan i am a ready for hillary . Yes. Am i excited . No. I spent my entire year of freshman in high school. Republicans are wrapping up for the big convention. They have a problem. No one wants to go and no one wants to speak. Back with bill maher who has
had a busy year covering this campaign. The race comes down to a choice between donald trump and Hillary Clinton. Did you see the numbers . 39 says theyre independent now. First of all thats a myth. There arent independents anymore. They have dived into this. Theyre usually right leaning independents. I think they have a side and dont want to admit it. Bill oreilly says he is an independent. Im an independent. So is george will as of last week. That took guts. He earned a lot of admiration. Let me ask but the show business quality at the conventions. The last time i think wendell in 1940, he won it by a big crowd in the galleries he won it. Really . You dont remember that. Ive been told. Do i remember as a kid in 1968. Chicago. He wasnt there. I never missed a minute of it. That kind of drama is what we may be facing. That one night. I was watching with my grad school roommates. He said one night, get some sleep. Let me ask but trump. He has cleveland. Monday through thursday next week. What will he do . To make it razz ma taz . Honky tonk. Thats not his problem. How does he make a compelling bit of theater . I think theyll make it for him. I think there will be a movement town seat him from the nomination. Really . Yeah. According to some people, theyre not happy with this nominee. They feel like this is a zombie candidate. Ive been saying the best thing that fumbles can do is punt. The only way theyre going to win in november is to lose. It is not the worst thing in the world. To have Hillary Clinton for four years. In defense, a great defense, you punt. They have a great defense. They block legislation. Theyre obstructionists. This is what they do best. Let her have the ball. Yeah. Let her have the ball. Shes not really that horrible when you think about it. She is not some sort of far left person. She is a centrist. Do you worry that she may be far right on some issues . Too much of a hawk on some issues, absolutely, i dont blame her for the iraq vote. I think that was a vote to give george bush a badge and a gun. Wasnt to send them in shooting and blazing and we had just been attacked. It was wrong country. A little thing like that. But she is too hawkish. I worry about. That one reason it was great to have Bernie Sanders in the race, or rand paul if he had followed what his father used to say, was that you at least had a voice in the debate saying we should not be in all these countries. The president talks about if you stay wrong words, that will stir up trouble. Probably, its droning. It is probably droning that is causing more of the hatred around the world. Im not even sure if that program is worth it. The president prefers droning to war. Of course. Do you . Ive always thought we have to do something. We cant just do nothing. Obviously, troops on the ground, fighting a war like we did in iraq was an extremely stupid
thing to do. I think the administration admitted, we dont know how many people were killing. Whenever there is a terrorist attack, what does the person today . What did the guy in orlando today . What did the bombers say . Get out of muslim lands. Stop bombing muslim people. So i wonder if it is the bombs or the drones . You wonder since the first iraq war, weve been killing muslim People International television. I dont know if we do it to any other group. Weve also been saving many. Like in kosovo. Thats the argument. We would just probably be better off not to be so involved. One thing i will miss about the Obama Administration is no new wars. I wish we could have gotten out of ones we were in a little faster and more completely. But at least we didnt ramp up. They were trying on egg him on to go into syria. Hillary wanted us to go into iraq. She didnt say im so sorry he did it. I thought he would bluff. It doesnt work after the fact. She supported getting in with the other two people. Rice and powers in libya. She has had a pattern of wanting to be regime. Women have patterns in the modern era when they get to be president s in countries of being hawkish. They have to burnish their macho credentials. Are you profiling here . Be careful. Im just observing. Is that always true . Golda theresa may . I dont know anything about her yet. Golda. The women are looked at. There is a suspicion from men, are you going to be tough enough . And what we really need from women is what women are. More cooperative. And i think hillary will be that, too. And as she says, more kindness. Reagan showed his toughness with the, what was it called . The air traffic controllers. I heard from tim oneill, i dont like that stuff. Bill maher is sticking with us. This is hardball. The place for politics. I feel i should Say Something about a growing movement called bernie or bust where bernie supporters pledged, if it is hillary, theyll stay home or vote for the green party. On the website they said theyre voting against plutocracy. S kno where selfproclaimed financial superstars
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