Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20160920

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews September 20, 2016 23:00:00

Bloombergpolitics. Com right now. You can check out our fancy new poll decoder, where we break down the polls. We show you a detailed picture of which demographic groups support which candidates for president. Its fascinating. Until tomorrow, thanks for watching. Sayonara. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. Less than a week. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Well, its six days now to the first debate between Hillary Clinton and donald trump, and terrorism is on the minds of many. In response to this weekends terror attacks in new york, new jersey, and minnesota, donald trump has called for knocking the hell out of isis, profiling people here in the usa, and severely limiting immigration. Also treating terror suspects as, as he put it, enemy combatants. For her part, Hillary Clinton called for better intelligence gathering, Building Trust between Law Enforcement and the Muslim Community here, and smashing isis strongholds in the middle east. Smashing them. Anyway, today the countrys current commander in chief gave his final speech to the u. N. General assembly. President obama never mentioned trump by name, but it was clear whom he was talking about when he warned of a crude populism gathering around the world. Lets watch the president. Today, a nation ringed by walls would only imprison itself. We must reject any forms of fundamentalism or racism. Instead, we need to embrace the tolerance that results from respect of all human beings. In europe, in the united states, you see people wrestle with concerns about immigration and changing demographics and suggesting that somehow, people who look different are corrupting the character of our countries. I do not believe progress is possible if our desire to preserve our identities gives ways to an impulse to dehumanize or dominate another group. Well, with donald trump blamed president obama and Hillary Clinton for the rise of isis. Today he said, clintons time as secretary of state, quote, unleashed this monstrous evil upon us. He also blamed our current immigration policies. These attacks were made possible because of our extremely open immigration system, which fails to properly vet and screen the individuals coming into our country. Its just a plain fact that our current immigration system makes no real attempt to determine the views of the people entering our country. We have no idea who they are, what they think. Isis is torturing, murdering, executing, and exterminating people in a campaign of genocide. And what is Hillary Clinton suggesting . What is she suggesting . You know what shes lets let more people come in. Well, clinton today was off the campaign trail. Her Campaign Said she held a Conference Call in the morning with her nasa security advisers to discuss this weekends attack. Anyway, yesterday, Hillary Clinton slammed donald trump for his rhetoric, which she said was helping isis recruit fighters. Helping isis recruit. Lets watch her. I dont want to speculate, but heres what we know. And i think its important for voters to hear this and weigh it in making their choice in november. We know that a lot of the rhetoric weve heard from donald trump has been seized on by terrorists, in particular, isis. Because they are looking to make this into a war against islam. Well, donald trump fired back against that charge today. Lets watch. Her claim that my opposition to radical islamic terrorism is a recruiting tool. What the how does that have to do with im being tough. Why is that a recruiting im much tougher than her on this problem, this horrible situation. Because im tough, its a recruiting tool . It demonstrates a level of ignorance about the Terror Threat that really is disqualifying for a person seeking the presidency. Well, how will trumps tough talk on terrorism play with voters . David corn is Washington Bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. Jay newton smalls is washington correspondent for time magazine. And Boris Epshteyn is senior manager to the Trump Campaign. I know youre with trump and speaking for him, but this argument that somehow trumps rhetoric is galvanizing our opposition against us, where do you stand on that . No ones buying that, chris. You have to look at the facts, okay . Hillary clinton was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. Under her watch, isis truly grew. It was a failed entity beforehand, under a different name. It became isis under her watch. 80 of people who have been killed by isis have done so since she was secretary of state. And isis now is in about 20 countries. Isis has become a global threat under Hillary Clinton. And this is a really suede for her to try to pivot from this, when she knows she doesnt have a leg to stand on. Again, libya became a failed state on her watch. Syria, iraq, egypt, of all resulted in some levels of chaos. Although egypt after two revolutions is out of it, but all on her watch. Hillary clinton was a terrible secretary of state. And shes trying to run on a record that simply doesnt exist. Thats not going to help around here, those kind of comments. You dont generalize. Heres the question. Trumps running as mr. Trump. Hes running as the guy whos gong to be tougher on the enemy and hes going to somehow discern who the terrorists are before they become terrorists. This guy involved in the new york thing, the suspect, apparently came here, he was a naturalized american citizen. He wanted to become a good american, by all estimates. And then somehow became radicalized on troops to pakistan and afghanistan. My question is, how do you discern the enemy that emerges in his or her own soul . Well, you cant. Because he came over when he was 7. And nothing that trump has said about profiling would make a different. And i have to say this he says you wont he wants to know what ideas i have. Youre right, at 7 years old, he department have any particularly radical ideas. And boris just said something that makes no sense. We had malcolm nance on this Network Earlier today, and we do know that isis is using trumps rhetoric as a recruiting tool. And we had boris come on and say, we all know thats not true. Hes spinning, doesnt care about the facts. And we have people on who are experts, and they say the exact opposite of what boris just told our audience. May i respond, chris . Of course. Well, listen, david, to your point, i disagree with malcolm. Listen, may have he just said no one believes pit. Sure, fine. But we know that the threat of isis has come long before mr. Trump ran for president. We know that radical islamic jihadism, radical islamic terrorism came long before. And in terms o of what mr. Trump wants to do, making sure people who come into this country dont want to hurt it. How would you have stopped this goo rahami from coming into this country . He did came when he was 7 years old. He came with his family, look at the family, look at their backgrounds . What would you have found . Thats one what would you have have found . I dont know. We didnt have the opportunity to look. The father called the son a terrorist. The father whatever the father, whether hes dealing in hi hyperbole, the father was not part of some terrorist plot. Im not hear to talk about the specific father. Well, youre using this case as an example of terrorism that would have been stopped had your guy been president , right . If mr. Trump were president , what we would do is make sure people who are coming into this country do not want to hurt this country. Hes already been here. What do you do with naturalized boris, youre on this show to answer a question. What would you do to a naturalized american who you thought might be harboring dangerous thoughts. We have a free country. Someones allowed to go online and watch whatever they want. What you cant do is commit crimes. But you can have a conspiracy to commit crimes. You can say watching videos who are teaching you how to build bombs and discussing building bombs, and being in chat rooms is conspiracy to commit terrorism. And that is something that is a crime. Imagine putting someone in jail for going online. Conspiracy to commit terrorism. I would be happy to do so. So i spent much of today on capitol hill talking to senators about this, from the Intelligence Committee and the Homeland Security committee, and they say there are troubling signs that were missed. The fbi should have taken the fathers warning a little more serious. The fact that he went to quetta in pakistan, quetta really is the hotbed of terrorism, so its like going to wheres the crime begin . No, youre right. If theres not its very hard, and this is something that congress is going to have to look at, the fbi is going to look at to say, if theyre monitoring all of his communications, they saw no reason to arrest him. They saw no reason to detain him. How do you stop somebody . Heres the problem. Boris, heres the problem. Suppose some kids after a couple beers one night or for fun in the dormitory, say, lets look up this bombmaking thing they have online. See how it works. You going to take those kids and put them in jail . No, youre going to investigate their behavior you would . And make sure they dont mean to go and hurt americans, then nothing happens. But if its part of a larger plot or conspiracy, of course you have to run down thats a lead. You would send the fbi around to interview kids who check out something online . You would do it, at that stage . If those kids are looking at bombmaking material. Maybe theyre just curious. Where do we draw the line in a free society . You draw the line in making sure people dont build bombs. He said the other day, i wont spy on americans. Wh bis is talking about is spying on millions of amican no, its not. Wait a second, boris, you had your turn. Hes going to be tough on isis . We have no idea what his plans are. Hes going to fire the generals, but first ask them to give him a plan in 30 days. All you get out of donald trump is talk, no policies, inconsistency let me go to jay on this. If we can stop crimes, a husband shoots his wife, wife shoots the husband, somebody does Something Like that, a kid robs a gas station, if we can stop crimes because we few they were going to commit the crime, we would havent a crime problem. But, chris, those are lone wolf crimes. These are crimes where people need to be part of a group. Were not sure they are. He had travel. He had relationships. He had contacts. These are warning signs. But theyre not illegal. Theyre not illegal this is a really okay, i just dont think that i understand the need to get tough and the requirement politically to say youre tougher than the other person. What trump has to do and you have to do is explain exactly how you, within the limits of our constitution, would protect peoples rights, and also, reduce the amount of terrorism. Now, this terrorism in this country is not regular. Its not frequent. It occurs. And i wonder whether you can actually stomp out terrorism. I dont think you can stomp it out, do you . You go to San Bernardino, to orlando do you think you can stomp out terrorism . Is that what youre saying . Youre looking at a pattern thats picking up. Are you saying every terrorist act could have been prevented . What im saying to you is we can do a better job of preventing it if we looked into these people. Look at San Bernardino. Those were very strong warning signs there and those people, the wife especially were always saying illegal there was no i mean, San Bernardino was a husband and wife and those are very privileged communications. Those are very, very hard to wiretap, frankly. And a lot of but facebook is not can i please finish . A lot of the stuff, if its a conspiracy like it was in france, where you have 15, 20 people, theyre communicating all over the place, that is something that is absolutely preventable, and you talk to experts in the united states, thats something thats hard to happen here because its such a huge mass conspiracy, and we do wiretap enormously. But if its something where its one person logging on well, ft. Hood, orlando yeah, orlando, these are lone wolf. Lone wolf attacks are almost impossible to prevent. I dont know if its presumption, your here to support trump, but common sense is also on this table. How do you stop every case in a free society, if somebody decides someone is deciding to commit a crime . Individuals you talk about lone wolf. Someone who says, im mad at this country. My life is no so the happy. So im going to do something that shows my attitude to this country in a violent way. You cant stop that, can you . Chris, i disagree with the premise of a lone wolf. These people are not lone wolves. Theyre all tied by an ideology. In this case, theyre all tied to isis in one way or another. They have facebook postings, which made it clear that donald trump attacks Hillary Clinton youre just yelling over me. And the president for saying that we have to fight the isis narrative, right . He just said, weve got to fight the ideology. Weve got to fight the people the ideology without a single plan. Do you have a plan . Okay, i dont think i think weve got to get access to social media. I dont think its a legal conspiracy in our system, boris, if somebody gets something onlined, theyre inspired by it in a negative way, in a violent way, with i dont think thats a conspiracy. As an attorney, ill tell you, if they have one conversation about planning to commit a crime, thats a conspiracy right there. Okay, okay, that gets very close to being a police state. Thank you very much, jane newtonsmall and Boris Epshteyn. Coming up, this sunday, a special edition of hardball here at a special time as we get ready for the first president ial debate on monday. Join me at 8 00 eastern sunday, debate eve. Well be here. Coming up, new information on the suspect who set off bombs in new york and new jersey two years ago. The fbi investigated rahami after discovering his father yelled youre a terrorist. So why wasnt he stopped then . 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Auk meade khan ra happenmy appeared on the fbis radar as far back as august of 14, after neighbors told police rahamis father called his son a terrorist. He yelled that at him. We also learned today that rahami was carrying a notebook when he was captured yesterday. It offered clues about his thinking, including whats been described as rambling thoughts on slain al qaeda leader, anwar al awlaki, and prior terror attacks in the united states, including the Boston Marathon bombing. Today, federal officials are tearing terrorism charges against rahami for those bombings in new york and new jersey. For more, im joined by pete williams. Pete, the federal charges, that means what . That theyre just proceeding here . Thats right, theyre going to be filed in both new york and new jersey, and theres lots of new detail in the charges tonight, chris. The federal government says that he began that rahami began ordering materials to build bombs in june on ebay using his own name. They say two days before the bombings in new york, he recorded a cell phone video, recorded by a family member, showing him lighting something in a cylinder, in a backyard near or at the home. The 12 of his fingerprints were found on the 27th street bomb, thats

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