Moderates. Well this novembers fight for the control of house and the senate is really a class about whether or not trump should be contained. But 2020s president ial race promises to be more important. The u. S. Role in the world and the future of our democratic institutions. We will explore the dynamics already in place. We begin with the key question, who will control the Democratic Party and its message. Already a number of front runners with sizeable parties already. Then there are the up and comers, politicians hoping to emerge akin to barack obama in 2008. People like senators camla harris and cory booker. Mayors who argue they are unencumbered by washington bag. Joining me now is charlie book. And Political Correspondent for nbc. Somebody has to make the judgment. Who are the people who are being mentioned for president on the short list. Joe biden, does he run or not. Is he too old or not. Im little more skeptical about Bernie Sanders. But i think Elizabeth Warren. Susan, senator sanders will be 79 election day. Which is old even by Ronald Reagan sanders. Joe biden is 78. John kerry is 77. Elizabeth warren is 71. One of the things about donald trump is at his age, he was so active on the campaign trail. He never stopped. But what is also interesting about those people that you mentioned and even some in the introduction is that it is how used to how they are running in the old settings. The folks that we have talked about for the most part so far are people who run traditional campaigns. Can they break out of the mold of this is how you do something in order to run against the donald trump. Who do you think are the front runners . I will put cory booker. Because he is going to run. And probably the most nibble people. We have seen him on social media. And seen him adapt that way. Joe biden. This is a crucial election. We have seen what has happened in this country and how conversations and narratives being transformed. 2020 is not the year where a who said . Im glad you said that. One of the biggest names is form former Vice President joe biden. Here is what he said about possibly making a third run for the white house. I have plenty of time to consider whether or not to run. We have qualified people out there. Is this right for me to do. And the only thing that is right for me to do now is to try stop this enormous erosion of the moral fabric that is at the hands of donald trump and the republicans. You know, heidi, sounds like he wants to beat trump. You know, there is a scenario despite his age that Party Officials tell all of us reporters is not out of the impossible. And that is that you pair joe biden with a younger, maybe a minority candidate, maybe a camela harris. You see in him the fact that he continues to be not openly, but privately haunted by the fact that he feels that if he had run in 2016, this, meaning trump may not have happened. He is joe from scranton. And all of those midwestern working class voters who hillary lost would be willing to give him a chance. And the one thing that has been in the past when susan talks about the differences between the past and the present, what was a potential liability for joe biden in the past is now viewed as authenticity. That is well said. Reagan tried to do this back in when in the hell was that . 76. It didnt work. Is that feasible for a president. My running mate is going to be ready to take over. Her name is kamela harris. We are running as a team. Would she go along with that . What about if she wants to be at the top of the ticket . This is a better shot. Being running mate to a guy that is in his upper 70s, your chances are good that you are going to make it. Im sure the grim reaper. Sort of the old woman who is asked by a friend, how is your husband and she says compared to what. If democrats nominate someone who is less controversial than President Trump or Hillary Clinton. They will probably win that race based on trumps numbers. Let me remind everybody that joe biden has a past. And you know, he has his nicknames all figured out. You are up against a nasty bully in the world in trump. There is a difference of being viable and electable. The way he would beat trump you mean trump wouldnt kill him with those issues . Not at all. Look at this guy over here, im the real guy. Joe biden would cream donald trump if they face each other in annual election. If he pulls this paul newman, thing, i dont think you can win a primary like that. What are you offering here . Youre right, syracuse is going to be warton. If you think that you have a chance at beating donald trump that he is beatable in 2020 you are not going to wait for your turn. So kamela is not sitting in the second seat. I dont think she would. Who is the democrats going to run this year . You dont pick the president , we dont pick the president , they pick themselves. As Mitch Mcconnell says i have an entire caucus of class president. These guys that have been running for office since college or high school. Clinton is a typical one. They are all like that. They want it, kirsten dont need anybody else but kirsten jilla brand. And that is how it works. You dont have to have such a big massive support structure. How self indig ant do democrats want to be. Mcgovern was feel good. Gold water was feel good. It hasnt happened in a while. You have to look at 2012 when we had a bunch of clown car republicans. If trump looks weak, and this is the most important thing to the democrats. What do they do about voting rights, what do they do about some of these bills. Let me tell you about Bernie Sanders is probably thinking. And jeff weaver is thinking. If there is ever in history a guy with socialist background, running an awful opponent in donald trump. And his wife is behind him. Senator Elizabeth Warren sounded like a candidate. Lets listen to senator warren. Were fighting for women and that means electing more women. Putting more women in positions of power from Committee Rooms to board rooms to that nice oval shaped room at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. What do you think . Make no mistake, none of this is going to be easy. We will face obstacles, together and no matter what is thrown in our way, we will persist. So i hope youre ready to fight up hill for as long as it takes. Because im going up that hill and i need you with me all the way. Wow. Heidi, i think we just heard the opening sound of Elizabeth Warren running for democratic nomination where i think that message will be resounding. Your thoughts . Maybe, maybe not. Sounds like 2016 when you and i sat on the set and had the same speculation. Either bernie or warren. Not both. She loves to give those stump speeches, but it is a little kept secret that she doesnt actually enjoy the other semantics of campaigning, she doesnt love the push and pull with the media. And i dont think she will do it if Bernie Sanders runs. Who decides . And then she she jump in first bernie is doing nothing to tamp down speculation. He is making trips to key states. He had his guy jeff weaver in the dnc meetings, he puts his stamp on them and most importantly, he is trying to move a little bit beyond his pet issues. One of the criticisms is that he had his same message. Beating up on the billionaires and the millionaires. Probably the same message since 1945. But i disagree, bernie with tremendous zealous following, he can jump in late in the game. I think Elizabeth Warren will eat his lunch. Shes the real deal and with the age that makes more sense. The youngster against the other guys. Plus democrat with a wild card pit. The fantasy roster includes Oprah Winfrey, michelle obama. Plus the biggest question the democrats face in 2020, how do you run against President Trump when it comes to him and you. President trump has already begun testing his message. Hyping his own achievements in office. And more than a whisper campaign. This is hardball. Booking a flight at the last minute doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. With my bladder leakage, the products ive tried just didnt fit right. They were very saggy. Its getting in the way of our camping trips. But with new sizes, depend fitflex is made for me. Introducing more sizes for better comfort. New depend fitflex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. Any paint can change the way a room looks. But only one can change how it feels. 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Any of them have the chutzpah, to walk into the president ial campaign and act like a candidate . I think it is hard to run from a business space. They dont like business guys. It would be better off if they looked at one, but i dont think where the Democratic Partys heart is right now. They would have to beat trump at his own game and with the exception of Oprah Winfrey, donald trump is a media person. He knows how to do that job and that is what you need if you are going to tackle him. He doesnt know stuff. Then, what about he doesnt know stuff like how to be president. I have watched a ton of interviews with schultz. Mark cuban would have been okay if there hadnt been a me too scandal. And i cant imagine a circumstance for oprah to run. Do you like any of these . The point that jason was making about the difficulty of getting somebody through a primary. Think about the split screen between the guy who has shady connections to business and oligarchs, bankruptcies, next to the ceo of a socially Conscious CompanyHoward Schultz who provides good benefits, who is progressive, helps his employees get college educated. But he wouldnt make it through. He committed the sin saying on the record that democrats are promising things that they cant deliver on. He is a pragmatist. And that is what Hillary Clinton did. If you dont promise more than you can deliver, you are not a credible democrat. Oprah winfreys powerful speech led a powerful campaign. Despite those calls to run, winfrey insists she is not interested. But has words of advice for any potential candidate. You know one of the things i am not running for office. I am not letting you go there. About if you were running for office and i would say to whoever is going to run for office, do not give your energy to the other side. Do not spend all your time talking about your opponents. Do not give your energy to that which you really dont believe in. Susan, you are shaking your head. That is exactly what donald trump is going to do. He is going to force the democrats in a primary. Whether there is a primary against him or not, he will be after them in that democratic primary, and they are not going to have a choice to respond. He wants a gross back and forth and personal and awful. Oprah has no sense of ethnic difference, gender difference. People who come on her show, she cares about them as human beings. She lost 30 of her ratings when she came out for president obama. Her sympathies are good with everybody. I think she could be a great helper for someone but cant imagine her being out there as somebody who can run and be successful. Lets go to somebody halfway between the regular political and oprah, eric holder. He has the stuff, he has the chops. He is attractive, he can talk on tv. He can perform. He can debate. How many ways can you chop up the African American pie. Kamela harris, cory booker. They are all going to be going after the same place. And you havent talked about like Eric Garcetti and people like that. He is hispanic. Three out of four grandparents are hispanic. Whether they go for a wild card, democrats facing a major question, how do you beat trump. Get to that straight ahead. Some cash back cards send you on a journey to get to your bonus cash back. First they make you sign up for bonus cash back and its only on a few categories. And when those categories change, you gotta sign up again. When does it end . with the capital one quicksilver® card, you earn unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase, everywhere. Its like a cash back oasis. Whats in your wallet . Booking a flight doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. 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When you are president , you know the job is to bring people together not divide them up. And were being told by many that we have to make what i call a false choice, do we yield only to our progressive values or do we work on those things that affect high school educated working people who are under siege as if they are different. Where i come from, there is no difference. You dont have to choose between your heart and your soul. Back with our panel, charlie, susan, jason, and heidi. I dont know why biden is angry. Trump is going to go in there and try to win a couple of states and then he is going to try to pick up a couple more. Maybe try to get a couple more. Maybe minnesota that he lost by a point and a half. Maybe after illinois. I dont know. He can try that and it is going to look different after his tariff policy goes into place for a lot of those states. So that is going to be a big factor. He is going to i think keep what he did in 2016, go botld, stron, and after everything. Every group that he thinks he can touch. Not a state by state strategy. He has attacked hisspannic people. He is going to go after African Americans. He is going after islamic people. He is going to be a white candidate. So he doesnt have that much reach. Thats who he is. Well he had enough to get elected. I know. But hes got to hold it. He knows division. Not addition. So name a group that he didnt win that he has tried to reach out to. Jewish voters, but not that many in terms of big numbers. Name two. No. I dont think he has done that with jared, and the full range over the middle east. He has made it clear he is pro israeli. Im not sure it is big enough. The margins were really close in a lot of states. What happens if wisconsin has a democratic government where you are not going to have Voter Suppression going on. There was Voter Suppression in 16 . Oh yeah. 175,000 people magically disappear from the rolls. If you have democratic governments in these states, you can still win and not keep some of the places he had before, because when you dont have Hillary Clinton on the ballot. The stuff they used against mcauliffe, against biden, he will have them ready. That personal destruction of the opponent, how do you walk into that and want to enjoy that da if you are a candidate. Republicans are counting on the fact that democrats are going to nominate someone out of the mainstream, that Bernie Sanders is going to push everyone and already is for medical for all. We are seeing how he is going to run. It is the exact same way to run the first time. Going back to the wall and talking about immigrants as an infestation. Insults. Revived pocahontas and revived hillarys emails. He is tired of going after pelosi, so he teamed her up with maxine waters. Democrats better defi