Andinting recognition caused by the ongoing shutdown. He was asked about reports of air Traffic Controllers not showing up to work. Do you worry about safety . And i do worry about safety. Its kind of disappointing the air Traffic Controllers calling in sick in pretty large numbers. Depending on the week many of them cant afford to support their families though. Remember this they are eventalty going to be paid. There are reports there are federal workers going to homeless shelters to get food. And i know they are and i dont understand why. Theres no real reason why they shouldnt be able to get a loan. Sglrsz get a loan . He said he wanted to make sure federal workers were aware they had options. He doesnt understand why they have to that. Is this the let them eat cake kind of attitude or call your father for money or this is character building for you . Its all going to end up very well as long as you dont get your paychecks. I can dont quite understand why as hundreds of thousands of men and women are about to miss a second paycheck tomorrow. The president seemed to miss the pointed of her remarks, saying nancy just said she doesnt understand why. Very simply without a wall it all simply doesnt work. Its the latest example of the president and others in his orbit, including his chief economist and daughter in law not getting the effect on real peoples lives. I can relate and im sure that people on the receiving end will make adjustments. They always do. A huge share of government workers were going to take Vacation Days and then we have a shutdown and so they cant go to work and so then they have the vacation but they dont have to use their Vacation Days and then they come back and they get their back pay and in some sense theyre better off. In terms of the workers am canning to work and not getting pads. Its not fair to you and we all get that but this is so much bigger than any one person. It is a little bit of pain but it is going to be for the future of our country. Meanwhile the countrys Aviation Industry and tom Homeland Security officials are issuing dire warnings. If i ever former Homeland Security secretaries, including former dhs secretary turned chief of staff, john kelly, urged the president and cong troosz fund the agency. Writing dhs employees who protect the traveling public, investigate and counterterrorism and protect Critical Infrastructure should not have to rely on the charitable of others. This is unconscionable. And several unions representing pilot attendants and air Traffic Controllers, we cant calculate the level of risk currently at pl play, nor predict when the entire system will break. You run a city a big one and you know what can go wrong. Whats your thinking of the lack of understanding of the people in the white house and their friends like the secretary of commerce . If we needed any conformation they live in a parallel world, we heard it today. This is an electricity crisis, a food on oyour table crisis and its so fund mamentally out of touch with real america. In los angeles were going to start helping our tsa agents, and air Traffic Controllers, giving them zero interest loans so they dont have to go to food bank they dont lose their jobs because they have to take another one that pays them. You know he made case he was more in touch with them than the culturally elite democrats in washington. Is he losing that cred . This is somebody whos been fundamentally out of touch with working people, stiffed his own workers, who doesnt care if his policies close down a plant in youngs town. Its the opposite of what he promised partnership so if you want to keep getting coned, go ahead. Do you think nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, has taught democrats something about how to take him on . Absolutely. You have to stick to your principals, act like a parent with somebody whos having a tantrum. Im a parent a foster parent. You treat a kid whos having a tantrum in a certain way. You stay calm, keep moving forward and make sure were focussed on the real things. Because he wants to drag you down. He says the wall. It has to be the wall. Got to be a physical barrier along the rio grand, along our southern border. Nancy pelosi was like Unconditional Surrender on her terms. I think shes amazing but i just settled a sixday strike with teachers and a school district. You have to want to settle and have parties that want to. When the president gets up and leaves because he doesnt like what he hears, thats not leadership. What do you think of people with smaller classes, they want materials to teach kids with . The strerngts strength of people marching in rain was inspiring and great and then i said to both partis come to city hall and we arent leaving until we get this ton. We can divide each other or find our common ground. Are you going to run . Stay tuned to hardball. Today President Trump said he would not cave in on a demand for a border wall and one day after he did give in on the state of the union, hey lost that baby. Trump wrote as the shutdown was going on, nancy pelosi asked me to give a state of the union oh, really she shen changed her mind because of a shutdown. Thats her puraugative. Im not looking for an alternative venue because there is no venue that can compete with the history and tradition of the house chamber. I look forward to griving a straight straight of the Union Address in the near future. The president accepted the fact that a state of the union should be at a time a state of the union should be at time when we can talk about the state of the union when government is not shut down. Im glad we could can get that off the table because i know its a source of many questions. Its so unimportant in the lives of the american people, including those the victims of the shutdown, host nlss to the president s applause line in a campaign speech. Thank goodness we can get on to the subject at hand. Open up government so we can negotiate how best to protect our borders. Im joined by former chief of staff to speeber pelosi and co host of words matter podcast. Im going to ask all three to answer the same question. The ferocious heavyweight boxer, sonny listen, everybodys afraid of him. A young guy, cassius clay who knocked him out a couple of times. This guy could never win a again. He couldnt lose until he couldnt win. Is this the end of donald trump ass a ferocious contender . Well, i wouldnt put money on a that yet. Doesnt mean hes going to win this particular one but obviously he hasnt yet given in. What theyre talking about was some sort of a temporary reopening of the government. He says he would do it if there was a pro rated share of money for the budget wall in there, even if not the full amount he wanted. Thats at least some movement. We have a couple senate votes moving that neither side has the votes they need proceed the way they would like to. That means they have to meet in the middle someplace. It seems the speaker is as iconic about her wall, she said no. Where are we at on this . He wants a barrier. He wants 5. 7 billion for a wall and i dont believe this talk that he wants to down payment to open up the government. Because thats not going to be good enough for him. Because he could change tomorrow. Democrats are going to come can up with a proposal thats pretty com comprehensive. Hes going to dismiss it. The problem is republicans are starting to feel the heat and they told that to pence today. If you were nancy regan no, nancy pelosi. Would you fight this to the finish say no money for the wall . Not a nickel for President Trumps wall. And i was surprised i shouldnt say i was surprised. When the president thought he was actually going to deliver the state of the Union Address. She wasnt going to allow that to happen, no way, no how. He wasants going to have a monwrmo monument to talk about his wall. Im not amazed. The question elysse is does this guy not get, not only does he not get the culture of the democratic party, he doesnt get her character and toughness because he stuck his neck out like mussolini and she said keep pushing and then ill say no and thats what she did. On the don has not been challenged in this way by a co equal branch of government. God bless nancy pelosi for stepping out and saying she has representing congress she has this power and this authority and you look at the contrast between paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell and its stunning. But if anything, donald trump, by prolonging the shutdown, as american cans are starting to feel the impact in transportation, their daily lives, as so many honest workers who have done an honest days work are not getting paid and the cumulative effect of that is i point to a new poll in wisconsin where 49 of those polled say absolutely not. They will not vote for donald trump. And so i do wonder if were starting to see a shift yes. In wisconsin. Late today President Trump said it would have been disrespectful to give the state of the union speech anywhere other than the capitol. And asked about the comment cans bouts federal workers. Perhaps he should have said it differently. Local people know who they are. When they go for groceries and everything else. And what wilbur was probably trying to say is they will work along. I know banks are working along. If you have mortgages, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work along and thats what happens in times like this. And you write the big story. What is the story about this . It doesnt seem to me i look at all the phoney votes in the senate, what the president says, the speaker says. I dont think theyre close to a deal. What do you see . Look, they are dug in, as you just heard. The problem is once youve past a financial disagreement to make a moral argument, very hard to meet an agreement. If its immoral, its at 1 billion or 1. So how do you meet in the middle . And thats to give her policy she wants. The president reached out a little bit last weekend but too little, too late according to the democrats and so far you havent seen a counter proposal. Weal see one from them on border security. You can see how they would get there if they chose to. Both sides are pretty dug in and they have made it a moral argument. And on both sides the first test in their relationship of divided government. Either side looks at it as if they back down and lose faith, that will be a bad precedent for the next two years. You start with a cause and end up with a fight. Tell me about nancy pelosi and what shes like eye ball to eye ball. She was like what you saw when she was at the white house when the president attempted muother nancy . He cant figure her out. He cant call her madam speaker. It doesnt matter because she knows whats on the other side. She has the facts on her side. She has a majority on her side. Which he has not come to accept and once he accepted the democrats are in charge with the house and he wants to sit down and act, then he can do it. Do you think elysse haz struck a bell for not just the co equal branch of government but co equal gender whats the answerer . You look at donald trump and he has a real problem dealing with strong, powerful women and nancy pelosi is the most strong, formidable, powerful woman hes met. In terms of not being forficient in the art of the deal, he has really met in her someone who is competent, capable, understands how to govern and understands the political strategy needed to unite all herrer troop business hind her and donald trump has not proven that he has that he can go up against her and win. I think hes come up against a wall, actually. Thank you so much. Anyway, thank you, peter baker, and coming up, two failed votes in the u. S. Senate and the governments still shut down. Theres a sign of well, some people said optimism and he calls the whole exercise quote kind of stupid. He got that right finally. Plus Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed by the u. S. Senate. Which means were days away from hearing the former fixer tell all. By the way, hes under subpoena. No more walking away out of fear. 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At comcast were commited to delivering the best experience possible, by being on time everytime. And if we are ever late, well give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. My name is antonio and im a technician at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. Welcome back to hardball. Senate majority leader has finally emerged from his shell. The senate voted for the first time in over a months on reopening the government. But did it do anything to accelerate an end of the shutdown . President trump showed the first sign of budging, however. So knew they both were not going to go anywhere, we thought and now mitch is negotiating with Chuck Schumer and well see what happens. If they come to a reasonable agreement, i would support it. Even if theres no wall funding . I have other alternatives if i have to and ill use those if i have to. Wow, hes warning about Emergency Action by the president. The president expressed concern over the cost of the shutdown. The sources toelds the Washington Post that trump told a room of people this is a kind of stupid and every day thing. This goes on, the cost keeps getting higher. And a republican backed bill would have funded the government while providing 5. 7 billion for the wall temporary relief for d. A. C. A. Recipients and 10 votes shy of the 60 you need in the senate. The one for the democrats would have temporarily funded with no wall money at all. 5244. Well, since the shutdown started, senator mcconnell has been unwilling to move on anything without trumps approval. Lets watch that. The proposal outlined by President Trump that will consider in the senate is the only proposal, the only one currently before us that can be signed by the president and immediately reopen the government. I made the clear to the speaker were not interested in having show votes here in the senate. Were interested in bringing up something the house has passed, 60 senators will support the president will sign. In other words, make a law. Well, that wasnt for long. Because he pushed a bill today that had no chance of win withing. Meanwhile house leaders are crafting their own fwiel reopen the department of Homeland Security but woerwont include efor a barrier. Im joined by democrat from minnesota and former democratic governor of colorado. Another executive. Youve been executive all those years in colorado. What do you make of this political gamesmanship going on. What are they doing except dicking around . Cant use language like that . I look at it as how does seeing people get to this point . And the president is not a fool. I think hes dreadfully miscalculated and followed his impulses and now hes backed himself into a krner im not sure he sees his way out. He was ready to caught deal before they said you cant go anywhere without that wall. He rushed in with a lot of bravado, sort of like a child. Without really thinking what am i going to do next . And now hes got a place where hes stuck with theses demands and he realizes no one i mean putting a wall up has been a symbol. The rest of the world will see us locking people out and someone told me the other day as i was coming out here that if you think of exports from america, one of the great ways cash comes in is from tourists around the world. Thats down 8 the last couple of years. You put a wall up and see what you do to that source of revenue for the country. Maybe im playing great skeptic but i dont think he can move without a wall. If its 50 or 20 feet, hes got to put up something and i believe Speaker Pelosi is leading the party says thats immoral. This is an iconic battle. It is but just a minute ago the clip you showed how difficult it is to negotiate. You need to have a clear idea of what he wants and what hes going to settle for and hes real all over the place and its just ridiculous. And meanwhile i have people in minnesota and all over the country whose lives are being damaged by this. And wilbur rosss idea is people should just go get a loan. Its so out of touch hes a billionaire. Maybe he could loan. Ive been covering politics most of my life and ive never seen a power play like nancy pelosi and he just walked right into the punch. It looked like he didnt know she was going to do it. As a woman, i dont like do this but we live in identity politics. It looks to me like next year theres a very good chance the democratic nominee for president will be a woman. At least 50 50. Is p