Sputtering economy in congress and later, is karen bass the best person to give joe biden extra bounce to get elected . Ill talk to the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus october habout her status on the v. P. Short list. First, with 100 days to go and counting until the november election, the country is battling crisis on multiple fronts. Were continuing to see disturbing scenes from several cities including portland and seattle where Police Declared what is going on to be a riot. There is violence and the questions about the role federal agents are playing on the streets of the cities. This comes as the coronavirus pandemic rages on. There are now more than 4. 2 million cases here in the united states, more than 147,000 americans have now died in 18 states, set single day records for new cases this week. That is to say nothing of the millions of americans who are out of work and now looking to congress for additional aid and extra 600 in Unemployment Benefits is set to run out this week and republicans and democrats remain at odds about the path forward. Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin and white house chief of staff mark meadows were back negotiating on capitol hill today. I see us being able to provide Unemployment Insurance maybe a retention credit to keep people from being displaced or brought back into the workplace, helping with our schools, if we can do that along with Liability Protection, perhaps we put that forward, get that path and negotiate on the rest of the bill in the weeks to come. But that approach just outlined there is one House Speaker nancy pelosi earlier this week rejected. You cant get a bigger deal, are you open to temporarily extending those benefits for people . No, maam. This is a package. We cannot piecemeal this. This is, as you see, it has an integrity. It has a oneness about meeting the needs of the American People, defeating the virus as we honor our heroes and put money into the pockets of the American People. And joining me now is House Majority jim clyburn and the chair of the house select subcommittee overseeing the federal response to the coronavirus. Congressman, thank you for joining us. Let me start with that. You heard what mark meadows, the treasury secretary is saying today that look, there is this deadline, this immediate deadline liooming at the end of the week when the extra 600 of Unemployment Insurance folks have been getting expires at the end of the week. Meadows is saying hey, maybe there is a way to get a deal on that. Some kind of deal on money to schools to deal with the kids coming back, some form or another this fall and he says Liability Protection for companies. He says maybe there is a way to get a deal on those three fronts this week. I see you shaking your head. Is that a no . I hope so. Im not doing negotiations first of all, thanks for having me. I agree with speaker to l eer p. Well start piecemealing this stuff. This is about peoples lives. These things are enter locked. You cant have 600 just for people not going back to work. Thats not what this is for. We have Daycare Centers closed all over this country. Youve got people who are essential workers that got to go to the Grocery Stores to the drugstores, theyre waiting on people. There are people driving transport vehicles and they have children. They have to take care of those children. The Daycare Centers are closed and thats what the 600 is about. So they will be able to go to work and be able to take care of their children. That means they are going to have family members coming in, trying to help them take care of their children who are out of school. So well start piecemealing this stuff. Look at this wholistically and thats what nancy pelosi is talking about. Thats the integrity that shes talking about. And so i would hope that the white house would stop this foolishness and lets see what we can do to stabilize families, secure communities and make sure that our people keep this economy moving. Theyre the ones that reckon the economy. Both seem to be the issue of Unemployment Insurance boost thats been kicking in 6 600 top of the various amounts every state is giving out. The objection from meadows and mnuchin, they are saying there is a large number of americans with that boost are now receiving more money than they were making before they received, more money they were making in the jobs. There was a university of chicago study that said the average increase there was 34 . You got mnuchin basically saying he wants 70 here. He wants this to be covering 70 of peoples wages because people should not be getting more money in Unemployment Insurance than they got in their jobs. Is that a principle you agree with . Not necessarily. It depends what people have to do with the money. The fact of the matter is this foolishness about people not wanting to go to work is just not true. There is dignity in work. There is dignity in being able to take care of your family. I dont believe that for one moment and i would love to see some stuff thats indicating that to be the case. If you remember before we ever got the program kicked off, the two senators from my state, Lindsey Graham and tim scott both held a press conference trying to derail the program without ever giving the program a time to work. Thats the kind of short sidedness that goes into this other thing. Nobody is thinking about what happens to these peoples children. Nobody is thinking about the other things that go along with trying to keep a family together, trying to keep their home secured. Thats the kind of stuff that we have to start thinking about here and i would hope they would stop all of this stuff. Thats the same kind of stuff we got with welfare queens and that sort of stuff. This is about securing families and taking care of stability in communities. So then on that issue of jobs of potentially at least getting people back to work, again, what youre hering from administration, i want your take. You heard meadows say Liability Protection, the idea of congress pasting some kind of a shield for businesses because youre going to have all sorts of potential, legal issues with businesses operating in some form during a pandemic, providing some kind of legal Liability Protection there for businesses. Whats your take on that . My whole take is to take a look and tell me where those issues form a problem. This Liability Protection, mcconnell has been talking about that before we ever passed the first cares act. This really is a red hoeronhero. We ought to be protecting families. The question of protecting the liability that may flow to a corporation seems to be where their heads are. We need to protect families and look at this other stuff later on. Someone needs to show me where in a corporation has been subjected to any kind of lawsuit dealing with this pandemic. I have not seen it. Our chair, the select committee on covid19, none of that has ever come to the attention of a select committee. Im not going to say it not happening. All im going to say it is never come to our attention as being a problem that we need to deal with. I want to ask you we mentioned in the setup, this is various disturbing scenes from cities around the country, different issues depending on which city were talking about. I want to ask you about portland, oregon where youve got this issue of there are federal agents that are on the ground there in portland. Administration saying here this is because there is a federal courthouse there thats been under attack, basically, under siege. And that the agents are there to protect federal property. I want to understand your view of the actions being taken, your understanding of and view of the actions being taken by administration and in general, do you think there is a role there for federal agents to protect this courthouse and federal property in oregon and elsewhere . Who protects that federal courthouse every day of the week . Who protected it two months ago . The local Law Enforcement people know how to protect property. They dont deserve between federal or state property. The fact of the matter is, there are federal buildings all over colombia, South Carolina and our local Law Enforcement people protect those buildings and if they need help in protecting those buildings, they will ask the federal government for help. Nobody asked the federal government to come into portland. Nobody asked them to come to seattle. This is something thats made up out of cloth by this administration as an excuse for sending in storm troopers in order to incite people. Now, the local authorities are telling you that their presence does nothing but incite. If you think for one moment that this is coming from the protesters, i just ask you to think about those people walking across the independence bridge 55 years ago. Peaceful people. The only violence came from those officials that were ordered to go there. The only violence in portland, the more things change the more they stay the same. You supported democratic president ial nominee with joe biden indicating his selection of a running mate, a Vice President is going to be relatively near future. You, i imagine, would have some degree of influence with him given that there are compelling arguments out there that you saved his campaign with that endorsement in South Carolina at the time you delivered it and what happened following that endorsement. Im curious, do you look at the field of Vice President ial picks, do you have a short list youd like to see the former Vice President considering here . My short list has 12 people on it. Look, what i tried to do was to help the person i felt this country needed at this particular juncture. I felt that was joe biden. And i trust joe biden to make the kind of decision that will enable this country to fulfill its greatness. This is a great country. We dont have to be made great again. Our challenge is to make this countrys greatness accessible and affordable for all of its citizens. And i look out there and i believe today that we look at the two people vying for this job. One or two of them will be sworn in come january and of the two, the person i think is best suited to make this countrys greatness accessible and affordable for all of it citizens, all of his citizens is joe biden. I also believe that he will make the right decision and get a running mate. Im not going to tell him what to do. I made it very clear to everybody thats asked, im the father of three daughters. I would be very proud to see an African American woman on the ticket but that to me would be a press for joe biden but not a must for joe biden. I think joe biden ought to get all the information, do the polling, do the vetting, and sit down and see what his relati relationship would be with these potential candidates and the one that he feels hes compatible with, get that person and lets go and win the election. Im just curious, you mentioned your view is an African American running mate, would be a plus not a must. Is your sense that is how joe biden is looking at this because certainly, there is a lot of pressure, i think, public pressure on him to go in the direction of an African American running mate with everything going on in the country right now. Do you think his sense would be a plus but not a must . I think hes said as much. Hes said there are about four African American women on the ticket, on the list. So i think that what hes indicating that that might be a plus. That does not take anything away from the other ten or 12 that might be on the list. I have no idea how many are on the list. But i will say this today and ive said it before, i am not giving any advice to the Vice President , former Vice President as to who he should select. I trust him. I think he has been Vice President before, he knows what he went through. He knows what made him such a good Vice President and i think he will find that inner person. So he knows what the job is all about. I trust him. Not just now but ive been trusting joe biden for a long time to make good solid decisions and i really believe he will make the decision that the American People will be pleased with. All right. Congressman james clyburn, the House Majority. Thank you for taking a few minutes. Appreciate it time. Thanks for having me. All right. Coming up, President Trump changing course on everything from School Reopenings to the rnc to the importance of masks to throwing out the first pitch at a yankee game in august. Jake sherman, aaron haynes and elih join me next and speaking of baseball, even arguments with umpires look a little different with new protocols in place today. An ump was quick to put on his mask before getting a talking to from the pirates manager derek shelton. These are strange times indeed. Were back after this. Nge timesd were back after this. Hike Simon Pagenaud takes the lead at the indy 500 coming to the green flag, racing at daytona. Theyre off. In the kentucky derby. Rory mcllroy is a two time champion at east lake. Touchdown only mahomes. The big events are back and xfinity is your home for the return of live sports. Phillip rucker saying President Trump was adamant that congress cut payroll taxes until s suddenly he backed down and demanded nations schools reopened until he allowed for wiggle room and insisted upon filling every seat at the Republican National convention until suddenly he cancelled event and refused to wear a mask until he did and morphed into a mask evangelist. This is a week of retreat. Joining me now, Senior Writer for politico and msnbc jake sherman and editor at large for the 19th, erin haynes and White House Reporter for the los angeles times. Thanks to you for being with us. Jake, let me just start with you and pick up on what we were talking about in the last block with james clyburn. You got various expiring deadlines here. I think the most immediate high profile one was the end of the week, the 600 Unemployment Insurance boost is set to and spire and t expire and pelosi and clyburn a few minutes ago saying no, no comprehensive. You know capitol hill as well as anyone. What are the odds by the time this Unemployment Insurance boost is set to expire at the end of the week, there is a full comprehensive stimulus deal in place . Close to zero i would say. I think this is going to be nearly impossible with john lewis funeral coming up in the coming days and a whole host of remember ambulances including in washington. I dont see that happening. A few things to note, number one, there is the opportunity to do a patch for Unemployment Insurance at the end of this week. That option does exist. It doesnt seem likely because nancy pelosi loses a lot of leverage in that case and so do democrats, frankly, getting some large comprehensive deal. So they are likely to say no and nancy pelosi already said no. I would imagine that in the coming days republicans tomorrow, actually, are going to put out their marker, what they would like to see happen in a covid relief bill and democrats and republicans will Start Talking and if not the week after, a complicated negotiation. There is not a lot of over lap between the two sides. This will be very, very messy, mess messier than any negotiations so far. Thats the immediate economic question in terms of stimulus and relief. Lets talk about the president and the message and posture hes trying to strike here when it comes to this pandemic. We noted in the introduction, the president said were not doing the Republican Convention in Jacksonville Holding briefings again several times in the past week where his tone on this was far less combative than we have come to see in the past. Take us behind the scenes at the white house. What are the contours of this shift . Is it simply the tone hes trying to strike in public and what is the sense in the white house there has been some meaningful change that will last more than a few days . Is there any confidence on that . Many take things day to day. This is a president for the better part of four years how has really believed in his own ability to just sort of engineer an alternative reality to Say Something and make it so. And he has been slow to come to grips with the reality. Reality thats been born out of his campaigns polling, reality about an rnc he decided to move, a great expense to the party and his campaign to a second location in florida and only last week upon learning that a lot of rnc members and delegates were hesitant to go to jacksonville because of whats happening there with the spiking case load in the state, the president then decided okay, if were not going to get the crowd, lets cancel it. Let present it as im finally being judicious and cautious and following Public Health first. The problem is were five or six mo