The hands of inmates who share intimate thoughts about life behind bars. When i first got sentenced, i started stabbing police. You see guys wearing their pants down to their knees thinking theyre cool and stuff. That would get you gang raped or Something Like that. When i first got to prison, like i said, i had blood on my mind. You have your murderers and rapists. We have people in there with 400, 500, 600 years. We have cameras and people walking all the time. Still, you cant be with them 24 7. If they want to jump somebody, theyll jump them. If they want to jump me, they can come right in my door and jump me. Thats the way it goes. Thats prison. Theres guys in here, you know why theyre in here. I get two newspapers a day and i read them from one end to the other and i know whats going on. Pull up right there on the wall. In the initial seconds that officers respond to a report of a fight between inmates, the first challenge is sorting through a yard full of convicted criminals to determine who was involved. I dont know who was involved. Was he involved . I dont know. Oh, just hold up. Suddenly, a lockup producer encounters the victim outside the prisons medical clinic. Where . Where do you want me . He is bleeding profusely from deep slashes in his neck, stomach, arm, and leg. He just attacked me for no reason. Oh, im sorry. Thats all right. Hey, whats his name . Ellerman. Call for the ambulance. Call for the ambulance. Hey, dont throw them away. Theyre brand, spanking new. Can you put them in a bag, please . Yes, sir. Okay. Weve got another cut up here, guys. Okay. How bad . Is this worse than this . No. Its okay. Come on, man. While prison medics work on pat ellerman, officers continue their search for his attacker. Were looking for a longhaired white guy. They said he got to main street. A white guy with long hair, right . I understand you have somebody that went to medical. There was a longhaired guy. Is he the one that went to medical . Yes. Thats affirmative. Who was the second one . Who was was there a third one . There was a third one. He took off. We cant identify him. Knowing only that ellermans attacker has long hair, officers detain an inmate. But soon determine he wasnt involved, and the search continues. Come on. One at a time. Come on, guys. Lets go. Step up. Just hang on. Anything in your pockets . Take it out. Just this right here. A short time later, another inmate is taken in for questioning. Weve got one guy with one of the weapons. I already took the weapons up to the custody hall. Dont worry about those shoes. There was extensive tendon damage to the affected arm. He wont be coming back here anytime soon. Hes going to be transferred to a medical facility thats going to be able to deal with that kind of damage. They called me in from home. Right now were in the crime scene, so watch your feet. See what these are. These are gravitational droplets. This is where hes walking and his hands are moving or hes got other wounds on him, and the blood is dropping from his body to the ground. The blood. So the actual incident might have taken place here, but they were struggling, it looks like, from up here all the way to the fence. Looks like a smear. I cant it tell it if this is blood right now. It looks like a smear, like somebody fell down. Like a mark that kind of dragged across. This is the victims blood. After surveying the crime screen, investigator Chuck Wheeler examines the weapon. Its an xacto blade from a hobby craft box. Took a little bit of time to put a couple pieces of wood together to hold it in place. A razor blade type weapon will do a lot of damage. The suspect, Michael Ray Stafford, is brought in for questioning. Have a seat right there. Do you want to tell me where you got the knives from . 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When you throw 200, 300 men in close confines like that, youre going to have violence. I mean theres just no way around it. You put a dog on a short chain and taunt him long enough, hes going to bite you. You put him around 50 other dogs, theyre going to fight. Its just a fact of life. A vicious stabbing has just occurred at indiana state prison. The victim with deep slashes across his neck, stomach, arm, and leg, has been rushed to a hospital. The suspected assailant, Michael Ray Stafford, has been brought into internal affairs for questioning. I jumped on him earlier today. Were you physically assaulted at that time . Yeah. Then what happened . I heard the guy talking while i was waiting for chow, talking about watch what happens to him when we come out. Later i heard him say, i killed the little bastard. Is this the same guy that you got in a fight with that was talking . Im not really even sure. Okay. Then what happened . Went all all hell broke loose. Well, who had the knives . I dont know nothing. You dont know nothing about two weapons sitting there on my desk . Look, ive already been beat up once today. Yeah. I heard people talk about killing somebody when the doors come open. I come out to defend myself. Im not dying in here. I can understand that. If its between him and me, im sorry about his [ bleep ] luck. Thats what happened. Thats all there is to it. I didnt thats was it the same guy that made the comment . Im not going to build a case for you. At this time, were going to end the statement. 2,200 people in here for different things. A lot of them in here for murder. Long time, big time. You could walk down the street tomorrow and get beat up. You could get stabbed just walking down the street. Its just it happens. Back in the 1980s when major cabanaw patrolled isp as a correctional officer, he experienced such violence firsthand. Ive been assaulted, yeah. I fought for my life a couple of times. We had three offenders back in the back with knives. And the only thing i had when i went back there was one of the guys in the cage give me a cutoff mop stick. This guy was trying to stab me, and i broke that stick over his head and got the knife from him, but all i can say is he probably was lucky that the stick broke. Personally i try to treat the offenders the way they treat me. They treat me all right, dont give me a problem, then im not going to give them a problem. But ill tell you what, if they cross me, i can be their worst enemy. James stone is one of the offenders that used to test cabanaws mettle. My first eight years here was very violent. Thats what i did for a hustle. Guys that were having problems that were owed money and couldnt get it, theyd come to me and say, will you collect this for us . Id say, yeah, but i get half. Id go up there and split their wig and say, you got a week to get the money, or the next time im not going to be nice. Over the years, stone has grown less violent and more committed to his prison job, which today will take him to the fifth floor of i cell house. The intensive detention unit. The most dreaded cell block at isp. Theres currently about 99 people, thats our maximum capacity, here on idu. And you can hear this is what its like pretty much every day. Youve got you walk out pretty much with a lot of headaches every day. This is like prison within prison. Someone is going to try to gun you down. These guys are going to get combative with you. These guys will try to stab you, and, hence, the stab vest i have to wear. This is idu. This is the real deal. [ bleep ] and youve got to have a thick skin to work here too. Oh, no theyve got an overflowed toilet on idu. Got to go up and clean up. Im the backup. Biohazard. Ive got to clean blood, crap, urine, overflowed toilets. You know, its a glamour job. What im anticipating, just cleaning up some swamp water. Unless theres a maneating turd in there or Something Like that, im pretty well safe. But then, again, with the food we get here, you never know. Stones a good person. Hes a hard worker. One of the hardest workers that i know. Hey, dont clean that stuff. Getting ready to. Hes a convict. A convict is one of the older ones. Oh, right here. Here we are. Spilled toilet. The difference is they respect more people in here. The officers i think they respect the officers. They have jobs. They go to work. They stay out of trouble. Been in prison for 24 years now. When i first came to prison, i didnt have much to lose or anything because the time they gave me was more or less a death sentence anyway. Back in the old days, wintertime came around, those windows were bolted open. The heat was shut off. Everyone stayed in shape because theyd jog in place and do pushups or whatever just to stay warm. Now these guys have hot water in the showers. Didnt have it back then. You have to think about sexuality sometimes because when you take a shower when its only in the teens, its like, damn, where did it go . The kids are more the inmates, the older guys are the convicts and theyre getting less and less. Holy mackerel. Isp is slowly going from convict to inmate. Were getting a lot of younger kids in here who are not used to prison life. And theyre not used to interacting with us. Its a bird, its a plane. No, its the bio bucket man. These new guys coming in here now, theyve got pants hanging down to their knees or they have grunge on their headset or Something Like that. On the phone calling mommy and daddy so they can get a nickel sack or a crack head ball or whatever theyve got going on around and they want to cry. They say state this, state that. The state aint doing nothing for you. Youre here. The state could care less. They done did what they were going to do. Ruined your life or what. But youre here. Make of it what you can. To the bat cave. In a prison where oldschool convicts like james stone are a dying breed, Josh Harrison represents the new generation. Im 20 years old. Ive been in prison for a little over four months. I was here for approximately two weeks, and they came and put me on the d east, which is administrative segregation, because i got into it with the officers. I broke tvs. Now im trying to do my time and get an education and go home so i can be home with my children. If harrison falls into the wilder, less disciplined ways of the inmates, he could wind up spending years in lockup. But one of the prisons oldtime convicts is committed to looking out for him. Ive known josh probably over three months now. We was all on lockup when i actually first met him. I know his his dad from inside the prison system. Me and my dad, we aint got a real good relationship. Then i met robert. Hes been more like a father than my real dad has. Hes really just a lonely kid, you know what i mean . He wants to play tough, but actually he just wants to know that someone cares about him. Every time he sees me hes like, stay out of trouble. Stay out of trouble. If i do get myself in trouble, hell cuss me out. Josh reminds me a lot of me when i was his age. I know what hes going through. He thinks hes got something to prove to people, but i think hes wanting me to see him as a tough guy, you know . Spears would soon be proven right. Next well, he passed a rumor that he wanted to try to kill me. Josh harrison finds himself in serious trouble. If i meet him right now, id beat him up just to show him youre not tough. Thanks for the ridealong, captain ive never been in one of these before, even though geico has been ohhh. Ooh ohh here we go, here we go. You got cut off there, what were you saying . Oooo. Oh no no. Maybe that geico has been proudly serving the military for over 75 years . Is that what you wanted to say . Mhmmm. I have to say, you seemed a lot chattier on tv. Geico. Proudly serving the military for over 75 years. You ok back there, buddy . Everybody in this row, you need to stand up against the wall. With a recent stabbing at indiana state prison, officers are stepping up searches for weapons. Sir, i need you to step over here. The procedure is monitored by internal Affairs Officer will mcginnis. Okay. Theres the officers shaking down in e dorm. Theyre going through underneath the bed, the mattress, personal property. And looks like something was found. All of a sudden the officer is reaching for his cuffs. You see him restraining the offender. The offender is Josh Harrison. I disappointed a lot of people in my life. I let a lot of people down. This is my wife, my wife. Thats my daughter, thats my son, the twins. My mom, shes going to flip out when she finds out i was in here and i got caught with a knife. This is a shank that was turned in from possession of offender harrison. E dorm east. And as you can see here, thats a pretty lengthy piece of iron there. Its got a pretty good point on the end of that. It could do some pretty severe damage, especially if that came up through a rib or a kidney or a lung. I got another really good friend that cares about me. I let him down, too. If i could get him right now, id beat him up just to show him youre not tough. Robert spears has been a surrogate father to harrison during the young inmates first four months at indiana state prison. Im really mad at him now. Theres no reason he should have had that knife. Hes got two babies. I told him, it aint about this, man. Youve got ten years to do. Do that ten, go home, be a dad. Its not about being in here being tough, having a reputation. On his way to preseg, a temporary lockdown for inmates awaiting disciplinary hearings, harrison reveals his reason for having the shank. The dude that murdered my cousin is in this prison. Does he live in e dorm . No, he lives in f dorm. But word was he was going to get me, so the day i heard that is the same day i got caught with it. Thats when i got the shank. All right. Shakir smith was the man that harrison was allegedly targeting. He already passed a rumor that he wanted to try to kill me or was going to kill me. And i could either go at this guy headon and probably prove everybody right that im this big, violent person that they marked me to be, or i could talk to him face up, and i came in one day from work. The dude was waiting outside. And i kind of seen he was antsy and everything. Had something in his pocket. So you had the shank in your pocket . I had tied i had a shoestring holding my pants up, and it was tied to the shoestring, hanging by my right side. Smith was convicted of killing harrisons cousin, but claims it was someone else. Yes, i do have an idea of who did it. But i aint no snitch. You had every intention of using that knife . Of course. To what extent . I wasnt going to kill the dude. What were you going to do . I was i was just going to poke him a couple of times. If somebody was going to kill sen your family, what would you do . Michael ray stafford is dealing with a different kind of loss. I havent had a haircut since october 1999. And i just this is the second time i got jumped on that they pulled all this hair out. Boy, i hate losing that. After further questioning about the brutal stabbing of inmate pat ellerman, stafford is escorted back to the special management cell that he is assigned to until the investigation is complete. We did interview the victim. The victims not being very cooperative with us. Being an oldtime convict, he doesnt want to be labeled as a snitch, so hes not giving us any statements whatsoever. As he put it, im not going to help you with your investigation at all. Some of staffords information that he gave us dont pan out. What were hearing through the rumor mill is that he owed someone some money. Were hearing that he owed the victim some money at one time. Stafford and the victim used to be friends, but over the last six months or so, theyve slowly separated and went their own way. Somebody seemed to think i owed them some money. I dont know. I think he was in debt themselves. And to get the bill collectors, so to speak, off of them, i think they just up and said, hey, that guy right there owes me some money. Stafford said there was two guys that jumped him, which we still havent proved he got beat up. Well never know that. At this point, ive got enough information between the witness statements, the video and everything to go ahead and charge mr. Stafford with class a102 battery. Thats a violation of our adult disciplinary procedures. Well put together the case for the prosecutors office. Well refer it to them, let them review it and decide whether he wants to present criminal charges. The guy that caused all this, the guy that got cut up, he had me pegged wrong. 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