Transcripts For MSNBCW Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay 20

MSNBCW Lockup San Antonio - Extended Stay September 15, 2019

To come here. Im definitely an innocent man. My original belief is satan. A self avowed satanist runs a variety of inmate hustles to fund a bodybuilders appetite. Ive gained 44 pounds since ive been here. I dont think too much of its fat. And a member of the arian brotherhood dishes out his own brand of justice. I went in behind him and shut the door. I woke him up, i said, hey, punk. Get up. Ive got some bad news for you. Though san antonio, texas, might be remembered for the alamo, today, its one of the fastestgrowing cities in america. But increased growth also brings increased problems. For the longest period, san antonio was known as a large city with a smalltown mentality. San antonio is the now seventh largest city in the nation, and we are probably feeling the growing pains. Nowhere are those growing pains more apparent than just outside downtown in the solid brick fortress that is the bexar county jail. Its where anyone charged with criminal acts in san antonio orr the outlying areas will surely spend some time. My father always said nobody comes to jail for being nice. One thing we have to remember is people coming to jail have not been found guilty yet. Most of the 3,500 men and women housed in bexar county have only been charged with crimes under awaiting trial of the resolution of their cases. Others have been convicted and are serving short sentences or are awaiting transfer to prison. Todd out has been in and out of jails and prisons for the past 20 years. He is currently awaiting charges of assault and vehicle theft, to which hes pled not guilty. Its not a cake walk. You see the knots on my head. Ive been cut with razors, all right here. I mean, i got cut with a knife when this dude put six razors in a toothbrush. Somebody tried to stab me in the chest and heart. That didnt work either. Im still here today. Its been rough. Ive been in two fights since ive been in this jail. In, what, less than three months. One of those fights occurred after another inmate made fun of allens personal style. Im the one thats got this horseshoe mustache in there and he called me hulk hogan this and that. I said, okay, okay, i got you. Im going to smash on you. I knocked him out the first punch. But i didnt stop then. I knew i had to hold him down. I beat on him, beat on him. And then the search came in with a taser gun. The jails special Emergency Response team, or sert, was called in to break up the fight. Afterwards, allen was given ten days in segregation. Locked down 23 hours a day with no privileges. But its something hes grown used to. I got my lucky shot in. You do so many years in the penn, aint nothing bothers you. You dont give a [ bleep ], man. Youre focused on whatever. Allens willingness to fight over his mustache is one of a seemingly Endless Supply of reasons others resort to violence. Another fight is just broken out between three inmates in one of the general population housing units. The sert team subdues the fighters and starts the investigation. Inmate, whats your name and sit number. The aggressors appear to be guadalupe lomez. And luis hernandez. Neither man shows any sign of injury. Victor sanchez will require medical attention. Lets go. Should be facing the wall. Jacked up. Where is he at . Bring him over here. Sanchezs most obvious injuries are a black eye and a cut on the back of his head. Sergeant tucker, who witnessed part of the fight, now takes over from sert in finding out what happened. And why. I just got hit. Thats not what i saw. I saw you swing at him. You both had him cornered. You want to stand there and lie to me some more . No, sir. Just what happened. I just got hit. Right, there was a lock down for nothing. What did you hit him with . My hand. Who had the thing that cut the back of his head open . Oh, i dont know about that. Was that you . No, sir. Right. Okay. As tucker interrogates, sanchez undergoes his medical evaluation where an entirely new injury is discovered. Who threw the water on him . Are you the one who threw the water on him . No. Who threw the water on him . I dont know about that. He was already like that. Who threw the water on him . Sir, with alldue respect, none of those injuries he has already. Those are fresh. Who threw water on him . That wasnt me. You both are getting charged so serious bodily injury. Burns and all that wasnt me. Wasnt me. He was already like that. They had seen him for days like that. While hernandez and lomez acknowledge fighting with sanchez, they insist some of the injuries were from a fight two days earlier. So Sergeant Tucker calls the officer who was on duty at the time and the story seems to check out. Because officers did not witness the earlier fight and sanchez made no mention of it or discussed his injuries with staff, no disciplinary report was filed. But several inmates said that sanchez was, in fact, in an earlier fight lending credence to the claims of lomez and hernandez. All three inmates will be locked in singleman segregation cells for a cooling off period of at least 24 hours. Place your hands on the top bunk. Stay there until the doors close. Though he and hernandez were initially identified as the aggressors, lomez, who is serving a oneyear sentence for burglarizing a vehicle says sanchez started this latest fight. He came out, came to my cell started talking [ bleep ], came back to his cell and wanted me to come inside. You want me to come inside . All right. I take off my shirt, open the cell door and he comes out swinging. When he started swinging at me, thats when i did what i had to do. Well, he turned around and threw water on me. And we started fighting. Thats when i got the burn. Sanchez is accused of car theft to which he plans to plead not guilty. A lifelong stutterer, he says the fight resulted from a dispute with lomez. When they knew each other on the streets. He was trying to fight with the six pack that he gave me. And he was crying about 5. Oh, thats old news. I mean, maybe he needed money that day for whatever reason, maybe. Thats fine. But the next time i see you, be man enough at least to say, hey, you know what . Bro, i didnt mean it. Here, ill buy you a six pack. Going to jail. I cant buy you no damn beer in here. Hernandez maintains he has no idea what the other two were fighting about. But when he got too close to the action, he had no choice but to join in. You know the way it is in here. Its just a reaction, its instinct. The other gentleman, how he got involved, i have no idea. I dont know if he got hit and started swinging back. But god as my witness, may he strike me dead and i would deserve it if i threw hot water on that gentleman. No way. Coming up you want to file charges . Should i . 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They share something in common with each other and the staff. Unlike prison, where inmates typically arrive from all over the state, jails cater to a single county or city. So its not unusual for anyone here to come across a familiar face. But when officer moore first noticed Thomas Thames, he was more than a little surprised. At first, i saw the guy and i was like, is that him . You know . You sort of get that little i said nah, thats not him. No, thats not him. Three years earlier, he was making a name for himself in san antonio. Due to the popularity of his barbecue restaurant and catering service. Being a connoisseur of the barbecue, you know what im saying, i thought i would check it out. The food was delicious. His brisket, whatever you name, he did it. Officer moores brother who is also a deputy at the jail was a fan, as well. He came to my home and met my kids. Catered a party at my house and everything. Came over, you know, he barbecued it. Everything was wonderful. It was beautiful. Like i say, he was a pillar in the community. Business was very successful. Everyone in the neighborhood knew me an they loved me. And i always showed love to the neighborhood. I believe that god allowed me to come here. I am definitely an innocent man. And just sad to say a tragedy happened. And it caused me to lose everything. Thames is in jail on capital murder and concealing a human corpse. Prosecutors say he was part of a drug deal gone bad. While thames has pled not guilty, his codefendant recently confessed to a double murder in the case and was sentenced to two consecutive life terms. That person was a barbecue customer for six, seven years. Someone you could trust. Thames would not elaborate on the details of his case. But he says he is confident he will be acquitted. And that the three and a half years he has spent in jail trying to prove his innocence has served a purpose. This rock is the word of god. We have to Start Building our life on the word of god, not what man says, what people say, and our friends say e. We got to build our life on what god says. God is worthy. The truth. Amen. Amen . God allowed me to provide this word in this prison. I have enough faith right now to know that god has everything ready for me. Thames leads bible study and is regarded as a jailhouse pastor. But in another unit, michael leisher pledges allegiance to a different entity. You got lucifer and satan. Through death i found life and hell is my paradise. This is my paradise. Leisher says his life is illuminated by all of his tattoos. All of which were accumulated during his various prison stays. Its better than some of the scratches ive seen on some inmates. But its really not all that extravagant. Its definitely not streetquality work. It was all single needle. I was 24 when i got the tattoo on my head. The horns, itself, its just me being an outlaw. You know . Just somebody thats a little bit of devil himself. You know what i mean . At the time that i got that tattoo, i had a real strict belief in being antichristian. I believe if theres a god looking down at me, hes got something looking right back up at him. My original belief is satanism, as in the original terms of the word. It just means a representation and acceptance of negative energy being there to let us know what positive energy is. You cant have one without the other. Its a balance. But in leishers case, his negative energy seems to have far eclipsed his positive. Me, ive been in prison my whole life. From 14 to 19th, ten years in the feds. You know . And now, i mean, my charges i dont want to go into detail, but my charge now is two organized crime cases, three counts of burglary of a habitat with force. Leisher has pled not guilty to the current charges. And the awaiting trial. His repeat offender status could bring a lengthy sentence if hes convicted. 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When new inmates arrive at san antonios bexar county jail, officials ask them about any known enemies they might already have here. They then place those inmates in separate housing units. But inmates rarely disclose every conflict they have on the streets such as the dispute that led to the recent fight between Victor Sanchez and two other inmates. Jacked up. Where is he at . Bring him over here. Sanchez initially claims that he sustained a black eye, burns to his chest and a cuts on his head in a fight with hernandez and lomez. Both of whom admitted to the fight but denied the injuries. Are you the one who threw the water on him . No, no. Who threw the walter on you . I dont know about that. He was already like that. After Sergeant Tucker investigated a rumor that sanchez had fought with two other inmates days earlier, sanchez admitted that the black eye came from that fight, as did the cut on the back of his head, which was reopened in the fight with lomez and hernandez. But he still insists they were the ones that burned him with hot water. Sanchez, do you want to file charges . Should i . Its up to you. I will tell you that if you dont file charges, the county is going to file them anyway. Thats serious bodily injury. Yeah, ill press charges. Okay. On all four of them . Or just what four . The two from two days ago . We really cant do anything about right now. The only thing we can work on right now is this case right here. Yeah, i want to press charges. Okay. Thats all i need to know. Thats what they get. They assaulted me. I got assaulted. So theyre going to see what they can do. What it will come to now. As a member of the white arian supremacist brotherhood gang, todd al rn has seen his share of violence behind bars, as well. Thats what we was trained here for. Whatever weve got to do. Whatever we need to pull. Grab whatever you can grab and hit somebody over the head with it. But allens current conflict is not about race. Its about another inmates charges. I found out there was a child molester in here. On a little girl. Hes 38, 39 years old. You dont do that, man. Those that have charges against children, they tend to become prey. Some try to make it out in population. They find out that their lives are being threatened and everything like that we have to separate them. Laws can only protect a person for so long, man. Theres ways to get to a person every way any way. You can get to them and kill a person right here in this jailhouse if you know what youre doing. Believe it or not, we have individuals here in the facility who themselves do not like those type of crimes and they will try to seek retribution, get revenge. And even though attacking the alleged sex offender in his housing unit could result in additional criminal charges, allen says hes up for the job and intends to follow through. I dont care if they put me on lockdown or what, im going to smash him. You dont do that to kids, man. That could have been my daughter. Could have been your daughter. Could have been his daughter. You know . You dont hold one down and force yourself on nobody, man. A kid is a kid. Thats a gift from god. Thomas thames has been banking on a different sort of gift from god. Known around san antonio for his barbecue, thames has been charged with murder and concealing a corpse in what has been called a drug deal gone back. This is what i wrote a long time ago. Love god and be careful what you wish for, im going home. Totally me and totally free. Thats what i wrote when i first got here because i knew i was innocent. Theres scriptures i pass out every day. We have a total of 80 inmates that get read scriptures every day. Everyday, rain or shine. Every day, he takes it upon himself and he puts a little piece of paper and has three bible verses. You know . Its nice that his spirit moves him to do that. You know . To take it upon himself to try to win another soul. Thames popularity is not unlike what he enjoyed on the outside as the owner of a barbecue restaurant and catering service. A business that started out in a roadside tent. Had an opportunity to get a partnership with a gentleman and we started building the business together. So god blessed me with this young man and he bought a trailer. So not only one trailer, we had two trailers and we had two locations. And that prospered also and from those two locations we started our restaurant. One of thames customers is now one of his jail keepers. Officer moore hired thames to caterer parties at his home and took note of his businesss growth. I asked him how did you get this money . He said theres a rich benefactor who believes in me. Okay, cool. Do your thing. Moore was startled to see thames in jail as an inmate. That right there was basically made my heart drop and i was kind of upset like, what are you doing in here . Hey, moore, this is what happened. I told him, straight up,

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