Friends told the Washington Post he had been deployed to iraq three times. Matthew gerald was married and the father of two daughters. He was 41 years old. Officer Montrell Jackson served ten years in the Baton Rouge Police department. He was married with a 4 month old son. He was 32 and had been with the force for ten years. On facebook after july 8th, after days of protest, officer Montrell Jackson posted this. Im tired physically and emotionally. Disappointed in some family, friends, and officers for some reckless comments, but hey whats in your heart is in your heart. I still love you all because hate takes too much energy, but i definitely wont be looking at you the same. Thank you to everyone that reached out to me and my wife, it was needed and much disappointed in some family, friends and officers for some reckless comments, but hey. Whats in your heart. I want to send prayers to everybody affected by this tragedy. These are trying times. Please dont let hate infect tragedy. Whats in mens hearts. And until we come together as a nation, as a people to heal as a people, if we dont do that and this madness continues, we will surely perish as a people. That was the sheriff in the parish, the county that is surrounding baton rouge. It was before we knew, before the wider world knew the first of the names of some of these noise. You know, if you hear one or two shots you assume that its a shot but when you hear 25 or 30, your first assumption is that it isnt a gun. Why would someone be shooting a gun 25 times in the middle of airline. So i thought im going to grab my drink and walk over there and see whats going on and see if everything is okay. I looked over to the street and about 30 about 80 yards out was a man lying face down on the concrete and what i assumed, you know, is that it was a civilian being that he was in civilian clothes. He was just in regular clothes and he was, you know, laying on the ground. And by the time i come to and got ahold of the situation, i realized there was another man in sight that was returning towards me but he had an Assault Rifle in his hands and when he got about 40 yards in front of me, halfway between me and the other man, he turned he stopped in his place and we kind of, you know, both turned around and ran the opposite direction and he ran back the other way back towards the man and i ran back to my job site where i was at. And at this time there were no officers around. Just one man laying by the store and a couple minutes later, not even a minute, 30 seconds later, then a bunch of officers were in the parking lot and you could still hear gunfire going off and thats about the only visual i had of the situation other than just cops and s. W. A. T. Teams. So brady, when you saw the man who you said was in regular clothes, civilian clothes laying on the ground, do you think that was just a member of the public getting down to the ground to take cover, essentially, because of the gunfire . Definitely not. Anybody in their right mind, standing where i was standing, he would have realized what was going on as plain as day. This man was laying in the middle of the parking lot, ten was just a member of the public getting down to the ground to take cover, essentially, because body camera. Their investigation. We are just now getting into both the website and the twitter feed, and i will update you when we have more. Were going to talk more about that scene in kansas city that we have been watching live. Tara hall is with kshb, kansas city. Suspect is believed to have some connection too. He refused an interview. Mess arrived on the scene, they took that man into custody. Were not sure if he was taken into custody or for a formal arrest. Were going to take a break in our coverage, well be right back. The president of the Cleveland Police patrolmans union asked governor kasich the right to publicly carry guns during the convention in cleveland. There is very passionate people on both sides of the speck truck. The last thing we need is to introduce weapons into that. So were reaching out to our leadership. To governor kasich. If he cant do it, he can help us. Governor kasich saying ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal or state Constitutional Rights or state laws. Nbcs Jacob Rascone joins us with the latest. We saw today the first open carry protest, but only one person showed up. He showed up with his rival and a handgun said he wanted to make a statement. Now you heard the president of the Association Talk there, and then the governor saying he doesnt have the power. We also spoke to the deputy chief. They say theyre well aware of the groups planning to bring their weapons. A lot of officers say what theyre most concerned about is those bringing concealed weapons which, if anything, will go horribly wrong. That is the case. I want to quickly show you over here. This is a list of items you cannot bring inside here. They include firearms, knives, explosives, fire works, baseballs, umbrellas, even whole fruit. That is in the secret Service Secure zone. In the event zone, you can bring firearms but not any of that stuff, so you may be looking at some video, a protest earlier today, a trial run. A lot of anger and protest with the protestors. Here is what one said. Trump is one of the reasons we came, but it is bigger than trump. It is about hillary, aka killary clinton. Neither one have served the needs of the oppresses, the marginalized. So youre going to hear a lot of voices during this week. You have 123 permits to protest granted. You have all sorts of groups coming, and police did everything we expected them to do. They kept their distance until they got close to downtown and then they turned them around. Speaking to the officers in charge of the investigation there, gabe . Yeah, the superintendent from the state police and the Baton Rouge Police chief. They are reiterating this was an ambush. This gunman wanted to target Police Officers and that it had no connection to the previous case last week where they announced several arrests regarding a lot to kill Police Officers. They say it has nothing to do with that. Lets take a listen to our conversation with those heading up the investigation. What can you tell me about the investigation . Did the gunman act alone . What we do know is it was very chaotic earlier this morning. Active shooter scenarios were going out. A lot of people thought we had additional shooters. That was not the case. We know the individual that the Police Officers shot and killed was the individual that shot those officers. Here is the deal though, there is a lot of moving parts. It has been so critical not to name names at this point. We have investigators on the state and local side, we dont want to put them in harms way. We have not given out any information because were working very closely with the chief and the sheriff and we want to make sure we keep them safe. Well be thorough, well get the information as we move forward. It is nude, sensitive, and still a lot of moving parts. Early on, the mayor referred to this as an ambush style attack. Is that what it snfs. We believe they were specifically targeting Police Officers. A lot of moving parts out there, but the use of the word ambush, there is no doubt in my mind that was the case as we saw what unfolded. A horrible, graphic situation. Seeing my brothers, talking to the family, a very, very sad situation. We need the thoughts and prayers of the nation now. We need it in baton rouge. Federal Law Enforcement officials revealed the name of the suspect. He seems to have left quite the digital trail. What can you tell us about that, how much are you looking into it digital trail. We have not named the suspect. We have seen it on tv, but we want to do it from fingerprints and Everything Else involved in this. This is a complicated case. Were going to do everything we can to make sure we know everything about this particular gentleman. That is what is point to us. Just because of the fact he was shot and killed at the scene doesnt mean the case is over. E want to make sure he was not working with anyone else, that no one else was involved, and that the Police Officers working the case are safe. A question that has surfaced is the initial 911 call that came in, was that someone trying to lure Police Officers or someone reporting based on the initial phone call that came in, it was someone calling in, a guy with a gun. That is all they said, but there was witnesses at the scene calling in also, you can see that on the tape, so right now there is no indication they were trying to lure someone here. So that initial person calling 911, thaw just saw someone with a gun and they call itd in . That is what we believe. And were shots fired before the 9 11 call, or did the person just see someone with a gun . A lot of moving parts. I want to be careful, but the shots came after that phone call was made and into police communications. How heroic were the officers that got in the gunfight with that suspect as they rolled up to the scene. Did he fire i dont even know it heros is the word, they were beyond that. To watch it unfold, the Police Officers, clearly hero is a good word, but there is something, basically, good basic grammar and english language, but the situation is if i can ask you about officer jackson, what can you tell me about him. He had been on the force for ten years and he had a young child . Montrell was a very good Police Officer. He would do everything for you. Soft spoken but a big man. A big heart. I just talked to him a couple of days ago in the district and he was trying to lift me up. So that just tells you about his character. Matthew, he has not be here that long. He had been in Law Enforcement at another agency for a little while. A great officer, just ran to the gunfire instead of away from it. What can you tell me about the other officer . That was matthew, just got out of the academy several months ago. He was on his own now and was doing really well. Like i said, you know these they were above heros. Serve running away from the gunfire, and these guys were going to it. What can you tell me about the sheriffs deputy that was killed and the one that remains in Critical Condition. I think there was some confusion about the number. There was two Baton Rouge Police officers lost today. One is injured. I had a deputy killed at the scene, another who is in very Critical Condition and is fighting for his life now, and a third who is undergoing a surgery and will have two more surgeries, but he is expected to live and he is in the hospital. All three of these deputies, all of them, family men, have children. They are just good guys. Just trying to do their jobs at Public Servants out here, serving the public. The mother of the deputy fighting for his life right now, she told me tonight when he got home last night they were talking. He stopped on the side of the road to help a lady change a fire for two hours. Just the kind of guys you want in Law Enforcement. Those that come in here and have a true Servant Heart and a true servant mentality. Great Public Servants. Can you say how many times he was shot . Two times in the torso and one time in the head. I appreciate you taking the time, colonel, is there anything else you would like to add . No, they were incredible and extraordinary. I guess the larger question, the other thing is as well, just last week you were talking about announcing several arrests for stolen weapons and at the time you said you believed it was part of a plot to kill Law Enforcement officers, this doesnt seem connected in any way to that. No reason to believe that is connected to this. What happened at that pawnshop, that was a Police Officer getting to scene fast enough to be able to arrest the individuals as they left the pawnshop. They said theyre intention was to use the guns to hurt Police Officers. So a lot of different things, but we do not believe the two cases are connected. Thank you very much, i appreciate your time. Good luck to you guys. Chief, thank you very much. Thank you very much, i appreciate your time. Were learning more about those officers that were killed as well as the injured. And the key take away from that interview as well is initially there had been a concern that perhaps that 911 caller may have been involved, may have had one theory floating around, perhaps that person was trying to lure officers to the scene. We now know that was not the case. We believe the gunman was acting alone. Still the investigation is ongoing and theyre checking to see if there is anyone that knew of his plans along the way. An extraordinary interview with the leaders of these investigations. You had the state police colonel. They have never been through a night like this in louisiana. This kind of loss of life, how are they holding up . You observed with other Police Officers under this kind of stress and other stories around the country and situations like this. Theyre going there a day like they have never been through a day in their lives. Yeah, a very difficult day for them. They took time out of the investigation to speak with us. They seem visibly tired. We spoke with them before and he has been through tragedies before. The theater shooting here in louisiana, and just a few weeks ago, the alton sterling investigation, they were daeing with a lot back then. But this is really hitting home for them. Three Law Enforcement officials, three Law Enforcement officers shot dead. Several others fighting for their lives. And yes, it has been a very difficult day here in baton rouge and for Law Enforcement across the country. Thank you very much for joining us with that important interview, really appreciate it. Were joined now by malcolm nance. Also eugene odonnell. A former Police Officer with the new York City Police department. Eugene, i want to go to you to get your reaction as a former Police Officer yourself. The facts as they have been developing tonight in this case. Bluntly, this man, this shooter, apparently was in dallas. Is there a larger group of people traveling inner state that are not civil rights people, but people who are up to no good. So Law Enforcement will have to ramp it up and look backwards now at these events. Identify people there not there for legitimate reasons, but because they planned to cause disruption, or theyre planning in the future, this is a person that does not belong in dallas, and does not belong in baton rouge to be sure. I took a look throughout the day. Theize logical spectrum that this individual was trying to foster on the internet. His ideological spectrum. He was associated with some antigovernment groups. What it was that drove him over the edge . Did he intend to reach a global audience beyond the immediate victims . So i really, really would like to know more about what was going on in the shooters mind and exactly who and what he thought he was doing this act for. And for officer Montrell Jackson, we have a Facebook Postthat went viral last week, after three days of trouble and disturbance in baton rouge where he worked as a Police Officer after the Police Shooting and killing of alton sterling there. I read that Facebook Post in full at the beginning of the show tonight, and he talked about the difficulty of those three days. He talked about, the first line was im tired physically and emotionally. He very directly expressed his sympathies to Alton Sterlings family. You see the complexity of his life. That black Police Officers life in that community over the period of this controversy. And all of the strains from every direction from his job, from the department, from his friends, people he thought were his friends, and it is a telling confession about police life today. It is a job that puts you in conflict. That is something you have to traverse. The cops are not the fire department. They have a job to tell people things they dont want to do. So there is a friction involved. Every cop in the country, generally, is experiencing a level of in your faceism. People flashing cameras in their face, people part of this agency, but this is not a monolithic. They have to do the difficult job, and not become delicious. That is not always easy to do but the country is getting a perspective on the best kind of mindset, putting the community above self is really reflected in this post. Everything we have been reading about the shooter indicate thats no matter how peculiar his beliefs might have been, he had a lot of beliefs held by millions out there that dont do this kind of thing, there is also evidence all around of him being mentally disturbed. That seems to be true of the dallas shooter. These are both military veterans, both of whom have served in iraq. Is there a contagin that could affect a vulnerable mind like the person doing this today. Im almost sorry you asked the question. It will not manifest itself. After the dallas shooting, did he have fellow travelers, in fact like the type of terrorism you see over seas, this can inspire other individuals who may have their own personal desires, messages, their own mental defects to carry out a revenge shoo