All right, thats going to do it for this edition of way too early. Morning joe starts right now. Good morning look at that, willie. That is a beautiful view. Beautiful day. Its a Beautiful Day. Last couple , not so beautiful. Its thursday, august the 14th. Great to have you here with us. Along with you, we have got washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay and nick consori and then with bloomberg news, al hunt. Yesterday, willie, really bad storms out there. Did you see some of the pictures . Even out here on long island. Cars on the highways up to their roofs. Looked like a river. It was. Yeah, parts of the midatlantic and northeast cleaning up and drying out after heavy rains sparked flooding across several states. The hardest appeared to be long island. Islip 13. 27 inches in under 24 hours and more than a foot in less than a day. More than the region receives in an entire summer. The rainfall shattered previous records and a lot of cars abandoned and a lot of people had to get out and run. Bill karins, this was Serious Business yesterday. Epic rains, willie. We tell you record highs and lows. This was alltime records for new york state. We have weather records back in new york to the 1800s and we have never seen in new york States History this much rain in 24 hours in any single reporting station in the entire state. Youre thinking about all of the hurricanes that have occurred. All of the huge storms. The noreaster. This was the most rain ever officially. It did up to 13. 57 inches for
islip, new york. The old record was set recently with hurricane irene when it went through in tannersville, new york at 17. 5 inches. It wasnt new york we saw the flooding. Last night at midnight in portland, maine, they were telling people stay off the roads and they were doing water rescues as cars were submerged, especially in the under passes, with 6. 5 inches of rain. This went back to detroit with record flooding with over 4 inches. A slow moving storm and a very unusual amount of moisture in the air. The precipitation rates were very high for this storm and very unusual because it wasnt a hurricane or a Tropical Storm and makes you scratch your head. It wasnt forecasted all that well. We knew it would rain and rain hard but no one was expecting this much rain in this short of a period of time. When it comes down that fast, that hard, you get the pictures like you see there. Today, we are much better across
the region with that shot at the top of the show. Its a Beautiful Day out there, it feels like fall almost the next couple of days. If you want to scratch your head for extreme weather events this was one of them over the last couple of days. Wild couple of days. Bill, get the rest of your frac in a couple of minutes. The fourth straight night, the streets of suburb looked like a battlefield. Police in full riot gear and using tear gas to control crowds simmering over the death of 18yearold Michael Brown by a Police Officer there in ferguson, missouri. Two reporters in town to cover the store last night detained after Police Ordered them to leave a local mcdonalds. Wesley lowrie and ryan reilly claim they were handcuffed after police said they were not packing up their things to leave quickly enough. Lowery caught part of his episode with the cell phone. Stop videotaping. Please dont do this. Lets go. You see me working . Please do not tell me not to use my cell phone. Lets go. Down to about 45 seconds. Lets go. Reporter the street lets go. Not time to ask questions. Move your car if your car is out here. Reporter what i was asking. You didnt have time to ask me. Lets go. Reporter im working, sir. Lets go. Here is a door over here. Lets go. Lets go. You can move. Lets go. Move. Reporter sir, please lets move. Lets move. Last night, lowery who shot that avoid spoke about what allegedly happened when the camera stopped rolling. Tried to direct me toward another door. I said, officers where would you like moo to go . The bag slipped off of my shoulder. Officers, i need to adjust my bag and they said lets take him. Slammed me into a soda machine and grabbed my bags. Reilly said, in part, a s. W. A. T. Team just invaded mcdonalds. I was given a countdown. I was told i had, you know, 45 seconds, 30 seconds, to pack up all of my stuff and leave. At which point, the officer in question who i have who i repeatedly asked for his name and was never or his badge number and never given it, decided that he was going to help me pack and he grabbed my things and shoved them into my bag and i was then when i basically, he then arrested me and he handcuff me and put them on tight. He used a finger to put a Pressure Point on my neck and it was just very difficult experience. Willie, i dont know. What do you think . Well, okay let me help you out here because im always the one that gets in trouble. Ill get in trouble here. Ill just say if i saw that video and my son was the one the Police Arrested after that episode, i said, joey, here is a clue. When the cops tell you the 30th time says lets go, you know what that means, son . It means lets go. Im sorry. You know what . We have got a lot of questions out there. We got people angry in the streets because they wont release this cop name. We dont each know what happened. We have two sides telling something completely conflicting so there is a lot of Unanswered Questions here. But i do know this. When a Police Officer asks you to pick up i can only i can only ive been in places where Police Officers said, all right you know what . This is cordoned off, you guys need to move along. You know what i do . I go, yes, sir, or yes, maam. I dont sit there and have a
debate and film the Police Officer unless i want to get on tv and have people talk about me the next day. I am sure i am just the worse person in the world for saying this. I can only judge how i would treat my son who is a reporter who, if he were in this position, okay, well, you know what . Next time a Police Officer tells you that youve got to move along because youve got riots outside, well, you probably should move along. Maybe im in the minority. I dont know. I dont see any evidence there were riots outside that mcdonalds. I wasnt at that mcdonalds. I wasnt there either. I dont know why the Police Officers were there. I know its bad out there. If youre a reporter setting up shop in a Fast Food Restaurant youre going to have a laptop, a wifi card, your phone, your charger. Going to take you more than 45 seconds to get it together. He was trying to imply. The question is what was the rush to push them out of there . When he slips basically and drops his briefcase, he gets
arrested and pinned. It doesnt make any sense. We dont know how long that is. I dont know why the police were moving them along. Listen, im just concerned by what seems to be this common misperception that its illegal to avoid a Law Enforcement officer or take pictures of them. Its not. I dont think it is, but if they are coming in and saying that were cordoning off this area and they say you have a certain amount of time to do it and, instead, youre putting up a video phone and youre asking some kid with a gun who is 25, 26, 27, didnt make the orders. The only comment im reluctant to have journalists become the central of the story and seem to have become in this case and something more seriously is happening in ferguson than what happened to these two reporters, but i think for a police force that is trying to show the country that it is capable of exercising restraint, this was not a
particularly smart public to do to slam the reporter against the Soda Fountain and handcuff them. First of all, katty, i think its a bad idea to look ukrainian guards. Paramilitary. Im sitting there going, boy by the way, im just talking about this one episode. Right. And, no, i find it really hard to believe that they couldnt have shown a little more he subtly through this entire process. They were quickly released when they got there and the chief got wind of this and said let these guys go. They were sitting in the cell and the cop came in and said who is the two journalists. Let me ask you guys something. Am i a sucker for the police saying telling you to move along or should i sit there and question him . By the way, what was he packing up . If he was packing up our entire control room, thats fine. He had a friggin laptop. Come on oh, wait, im packing up, officer, let me ask you a question. Im sorry. Isnt there a broader question . If it happened to these two reporters, it is some indication what is happening to other people in ferguson who are not able to is it . There is accusations of heavyhandedness by police in ferguson amongst the local population. But arent there accusations on both sides of this story . We hear the story cops bad. We had a Police Officer come out yesterday. They are calling basically signs holding and people calling for murder charges. And i understand, by the way, for everybody out there, going, joe just blindly know is on one side or the other. You know what . I caught hell what i said about trayvon for months. In this situation, we dont know what happened. We just have absolutely no idea and youve got people, you know,
the cops are trying to protect the identity of this cop and his family until they know exactly what happened. We have, willie, two completely conflicting stories here. One, that the officer was assaulted. They went for the gun. They shoved him back in the car. And the other that this poor young man was just walking down the street and he was gunned down execution style. Yeah. What do you do with that . You have a couple of witnesses including his friend who gave the latter version of the story saying he was executed and the police Say Something. That is the core of this. What happened . We dont know. He was unarmed, we know that. Until that, its not worth of us sitting in new york or washington to debating. We can talk about what we see in the streets in ferguson and what is happening and i havent been on the ground there looks like a heavyhanded approach by the police there. When you have what have been
for the most part peaceful protests. It seems a lot over the top. And i dont understand that side of the story and one side of the story so everybody can take deep breaths at home if youre ready to eat cheetos. You know what . When we talk to bill bratton the other day, you know, what would fix all of this . Have Police Officers wear cameras. Absolutely. So we know what is going on. That would do two things. That would stop this from going on. That would stop people from falsely accusing cops and put a Chilling Effects on cops that use their power to push people around. Im not talking about what goes on in this case. Im talking about what we have all seen with cops across america at times they get a little too much power and they get a little too cocky. It would have a Chilling Effect on that type of behavior. I guarantee you if cops on Staten Island were wearing cameras, every one of them, they wouldnt have put that man in a chokehold and killed him for peddling cigarettes. I agree. I cant think of a single argument left any more to not do this. It seems like good policy and its good for the officers. And its good for the people they serve. You know who its bad for . Bad cops. That is who its bad for. If im a good cop, i want that. Because i want everybody to know what happens. I want to protect myself. I want to protect, in this case, if and we dont know if this cop is innocent, then if he had a camera on, he would be safe, he wouldnt be worried about his family. If he had children, he wouldnt be worried about his children. If youre in a tough call, do you want the only camera on the scene to be a bystander . Exactly, with a cell phone. He could be coming in a
minute whatever prompted the altercation. What you always hear from Police Unions and Police Chiefs and Police Officers, that shows a little part of it. Okay, fine. Give us the whole thing. Put it on squad cars which we have on a lot of squad cars and put these cameras on cops. It doesnt cost that much. Of the only group of people that it hurts are bad cops that abuse their power. There is another issue, with the Ferguson Police force and i dont know how this is replicated around the country. The fact it is ungrossly represented of the population it is serving. What is it . Only three of ferguson Police Officers are black in a population that is 70 black in that neighborhood . I think that has got to be addressed too. How much effort are they making to diverse their police force and why arent they hiring a more diverse police force . Youre asking for trouble. You really are. Its insanity. Absurd. Look at the pictures of the people in s. W. A. T. Uniforms its white guys in s. W. A. T. Uniforms. If youre going to police any streets in any neighborhood, you need the community to be a willing partner. Thats what bill bratton talked about in l. A. And what is talking about here. You cant do that if the police force is that grossly unrepresentative. Willie good night. Should we turn to some politics . I would love to. It was the hug everybody was waiting for last night. Can i just say . I wasnt waiting for it. I know. A bit tongue in cheek. Im not much on fake physical contact. We dont have any evidence of it. No, we dont. I think we should have every politician wear a camera so we know what they are doing and if they hug, we know. Thats an idea. So president obama and Hillary Clinton came facetoface last night for the First Time Since a public flap over Foreign Policy messaging and the debate to arm syrian
rebels. They sat at the same table on Marthas Vineyard at a birthday party. Hillary clinton said she was looking forward to making amends early in the day yesterday. Hug it out with the president . Absolutely yeah we are looking forward to it. Going to be there tonight. Is it a hard choice . No. In the book, we agreed, we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. We have disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are, might very well have. But im proud that i serve with him and for him and im looking forward to seeing him tonight. There you go. Just two pals getting together. Why is it that whenever we see bill clinton come on, we do and you cant see it, we need to wear a camera so you can see what happens. Every time we see bill clinton, we just start laughing because he is just a natural. I love kentucky, you know . And Everybody Loves him. We were like cringing for her. Yeah. After all these years, maybe she has bob doleitis . Maybe she is great in person but its so canned. Its so calculated. Al hunt, you know, hillary, i have made no secret of it. Im not ashamed. I called hillary my girlfriend in 2008. I love her. She is great. Most people that talk to her and meet her away from when the cameras arent turned on, think she is just a wonderful, wonderful person. I mean, some people who have worked for her might not think of her like that but in this case, she still seems so awkward, so stiff and so canned. Lets be honest about it, so i insincere. The book could be titled dimple. I love your idea of cameras on politicians. I want to have the exclusive right to bill clinton cameras. Oh oh, my god. A lot of that has to be redacted we need a sevenminute delay. How many minutes would end up on the floor . Joe, you know, this pains me to say, but Hillary Clinton is having the same kind of season as bryce harper. She is underperforming and its careless talk. I think it was careless talk in the interview. Then the walkback was almost worse. I just think shes just, whether its sea legs, whether she is rusty, its really been a bad several months for her. Do i think she is still the favorite for the nomination . Of course, she is but i think what is occurring she is pro wall street and pro intervention and says to a number of democrats this is an easy ride to get in a primary and win 35 of the vote. Al, do you think as youve
watched the last couple of months this process of going back to be the ringer as she was in the past couple of years and giving book tours and responding to questions has given her any paws about reentering the arena in a couple of years . Willie, i dont know. I think its a really good question. I doubt it because i think its almost inevitable she is going, assuming her health is good. But i hope, for cher sake, the lesson she has learned is that she has tond that maybe there is an inner circle doesnt serve her well and think carefully about some of these things. Shes a very smart woman. Whether its we were broke when we left the house or this latest, its been a bad couple of months. Al, whatever the calculations about president obamas Approval Ratings at the moment, do you think that for her there is any longterm benefit in what has happened over the last few days,
showing that she is going to stand up to the president on Foreign Policy and distance herself . I think she has to strike some distance with the president over the course of the next year on both foreign and domestic issues. The same challenge that george w. Bush faced in 1987. I think, a, she is not doing it well. If her message is, guess what, im pro wall street and i am pro interventionist at a time when i think the country is more populous and wants to pull back, i think its certainly important in the democratic primaries. We are sorry about bryce, by the way. So am i. Its kind of astonishing, isnt it . The democratic party, the grassroots does not want a hawkish, you know, she lost last time because of this, right . Right. And now she is going out again saying im more hawkish than the president. Im not each sure republican
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