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l. I. E. Le 21 score. Fair ball. And 29 years of frustration have ended. The royals are going to the world series there you go. Good morning. It is thursday, october 16th. Welcome to morning joe. With us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle, morning joe economic analyst Steve Rattner and former Communications Director for president george w. Bush and cohost of the view nicole wallace. So glad to have you, guys. Thomas is not happy about this game. Hes been crying. Hell get over it. Its over for him and the orioles. Thats so mean. I love the orioles. Put the storm windows on. Oh, my lord. Thats what is it. You feel bad for orioles fans. How could you not love the Kansas City Royals. Baltimore that story is incredible. Most games won in the American League and to go out in four straight, wow. That stadium in kansas city has been pretty quiet for the last 30 years. To see it that way last night, awesome. Well also go to florida. Take a look at just a little dip of what happened at the debate. Just take a look. As you can see, the two candidates who were invited to take part in this debate right now are not stepping up on the stage. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have an extremely peculiar situation right now. So what do you think . Maybe it was ebola or isis or some sort of conflict, i think. Turns out and well have this coming up when we get to it,
something about a fan. You know some people need a fan. Well try it. Might work. Swear to god. Think about that. Well have that story coming up. First well start with the question as to whether can hospitals hand tell ebola crisis. Its the front page of the Atlanta Journal constitution. It asks that question as one of their citys hospitals receives Amber Vincent the Second Health care worker from texas diagnosed with ebola. Theres also news this morning that miss vincent flew on a commercial plane with clearance from the cdc. She didnt have symptoms when she took a return Frontier Airlines flight on monday from cleveland to dallas. But did have a slight fever of 99. 5 degrees. She called the cdc before boarding to see if she could still fly. In a carefully worded response a Spokesman Says vincent was not told that she could not fly. Double negative. Okay. Earlier in the day Space Shuttle discovery Thomas Frieden said vincent should never have boarded the plane because she treated Thomas Eric Duncan. The agency is tracking down the planes 132 other passengers but says they are at very little risk. Still Frontier Airlines says it was notified by the cdc that the passenger may have been symptomatic earlier than initially suspected and could have had symptoms while on board the flight. And today on capitol hill a top official from Texas Health Presbyterian hospital will apologize for making mistakes in the initial treatment of duncan. Those mistakes include leaving duncan in an open area of the emergency room for hours and nurses working without proper protective gear. I want to figure out, what exactly is going on here and is it actually contained . Lets bring in our medical correspondent, and emily, first of all, how could this woman have been allowed to fly. Is there any possible scenario if you got that phone call you would let that person fly . Anybody who is a member of the medical community, would they say that person should fly . I dont think so. I think if she was symptomatic and reported her symptoms she should not have flown. Theres a lot of information about whats happened in texas that would be incredibly helpful to all Health Care Workers to know so we could learn from whats happened there. On every level whether its what type of Personal Protective Equipment the nurses had to how the patient was triaged in the emergency room. We can learn from these things. It was pretty obvious she shouldnt have flown if she had symptoms. Do you know how close we are to having National Protocol standards for all hospital workers in all hospitals big and
small given the ebola crisis . Right. So the protocols are evolving. Thats true. We learned a lot from the texas experience and i know that all hospitals now are working to sort of double down on the type of protection and the protocols that they will use to encounter these patients. Those are the two most important things in getting a handle on this. And i think that we will. And i think that understanding how to correctly identify a patient when they come in, no matter how they come in to an institution, isolating that patient, very, very quickly and then making sure that you activate the Infection Control people who are the people who are going to manage this patient from there on out. Its really those people that willwill manage that patient on they have been admitted to the hospital who are at highest risk. We are not. The average person is not. Joe has been at the forefront of this argument. People at first say oh, you cant do that. Clearly, if Thomas Eric Duncan didnt come here we would not have this problem. Of course. You have political leaders in washington, john boehner calling to shut down the flights. Thats the next chapter in the debate. I dont under how its possible no one could have imagined this. I saw the movie outbreak two decades ago and this is exactly how ebola spread and became a very dramatic national catastrophe. Why werent things in place because you cant say we couldnt imagine this because it was in a hollywood movie. Is that question to me . Yes. I mean if hollywood could have imagined this and played out the scenario why couldnt the medical community have imagined this and made a plan . Its been a while since i watched outbreak. It was about ebola. It came from playing out. Came from the jungle meat, consumed and people flew here. It happened as its playing out in real life. Why count the medical community have had a plan on the shelf for 20 years . There is a plan on the shelf. Most of the protocols that already existed if properly implemented would provide all the safety we need. What weve got to do is double down on the training of staff and make sure that when we identify that person and really thats the key first step, that all the proper protocols are followed. And if they are, the ability for hospitals to care for these patients is really quite high. Now, having said that it may be best that we start to identify specific places where these patients will be treated so that people with experience handle these patients. And thats, thats fine. We need to be flexible. We need to adjust as the information changes. Were not going to have a hollywood experience here,
despi despi despite hysteria. They did imagine it. Im not so sure thats true. I think we need to be flexible. Nurses flying on commercial flights its true we werent prepared for it. We need to know specifically what happened in texas. Every physician in the country, no matter where they are practicing, every nursing the country will have something to learn from texas. And thats going to be what i think informs us going forward. The plans were in place. I know at my institution there were drills, there was plenty of information coming from the cdc. We know how its spread. The science is here. The average american is not at risk for getting ebola. Its really the Health Care Workers and thats where the work needs to be done in an education and make being sure we identify people right away. Doctor, am i wrong in
thinking perhaps part of the issue here is that the Health Bureaucracy is just too big to draw a Straight Line from problem to solution . I dont think so. Because the Health Bureaucracy at the end of the day is unique the Health Bureaucracy is where you meet the patient and that is the nurses and the registrars and people who come in First Contact with that person and if they are properly educate in the protocols and they know what to do and they practiced it and comfortable with it, this should work. It shouldnt be a great its not that complicated. Its very basic stuff. Theres no technology that needs to be involved here. Its awareness. Its education. Its protocol. So stand by for the second day in a row president obama is cancelling plans to attend Campaign Events so he can stay in washington none tore the governments response to the outbreak. President met with members of his cabinet on wednesday about the crisis. The White House Press secretary josh earnest struggled when asked if Homeland Security adviser lisa monaco or anyone else is in charge of the federal response. I hate to be nit picky. Shes coordinating the activities of all the Government Agencies who are themselves responsible for responding to specific areas of their own expertise. Shes not overseeing whose in charge. Shes not overseeing the construction of ebola transmission units in west africa. The department of defense is responsible for that. Shes not responsible for coordinating the activities of the International Community as they interact with local governments in west africa. Usaid is involved in that. They have an area of expertise. Shes not diagnosing people in the field. You interrupt me. You feel you have a point to make. You one my question. The point i have to make you are reluctant to say who is in charge of the federal response to ebola. There are individuals who are
directly responsible for their line of responsibility and you have an individual here at the white house who is responsible for coordinating the actions of those Government Agencies to make sure they are properly integrated. Thats at that reasonable management structure. Morning joe requested for interviews on this show any time during this three our period of time to have an official from the white house and four other federal agencies including the cdc. Each department either decline or did not respond. But, in fairness, tom frieden, the head of the cdc has had press conferences every day. This story keeps getting worse. Its not getting better. In terms of the cases were dealing with now it keeps getting worse. It keeps getting worse. We have a Health Care Worker that was exposed to Thomaseric Duncan not quarantined. This is the question i was getting at. You cant say we couldnt have imagined it. This has played out this has
played out in books and films. Played out theres no question. In my white house we had plans on the shelf for bird flu. Avian flu is less contagious. In your white house katrina happened. You want to go there, thats fine too. But the answer to the question who is in charge is answered a lot more easily than josh earnest answered it. He did a heck of a job. You want to relitigate that, lets go. Let me accept that comparison and say in, lets see were in week two. Week two after katrina there was a person in charge of the federal response. I dont understand why the white house isnt yet telling its story. Im guessing the white house has a decent story to tell. Lisa monaco is fantastic and if she is in charge of the federal response shes a fantastic person to come on the show and explain what shes doing. Lets separate two things. Its fair cdc is in charge of the domestic u. S. Response. Tom frieden was a City Health Commissioner here in a new york. Hes a good guy. Hes the first to say mistakes have been made in dallas. The public can forgive that. The public cant forgive why are there mistakes being made day after day after day. Lets not blow it up. Im not blowing it up. She was on a flight on sunday. She. One nurse. That we know of. Plus 121 other passengers on the plane. In the early days mistakes were made. No question. The question is now are they pulling it together. There were an ebola patient in quarantine at mount sinai would you go to the emergency room . Probably not. In lot of cities theres not 30 hospitals to choose from. Its a big deal if someone has a kid to go to the emergency. Is this a legitimate argument . Im hearing this every where. Which is that people are afraid to go to the emergency room. People are afraid to trust
that the system knows what its doing and somewhere along the way something correct will to be done in terms of handling people exposed. Thats evolving. We got to do better about getting the word out what the science. There is science on this. This is not a mystery. We know what to do. Clearly theres more work to be done to educate those people who are going to come in to contact with potential ebola patients and be very specific about what needs to be done. So, you know, comparing it to hollywood scenarios is really not helpful because i think we need Public Information piece of this. If the public arent hearing from people like you and people who know the facts and science then people will assume what they see about ebola. In fairness they have been out there. The best people have been out there. Tom frieden has been out there. Anthony fauchy has been out there. They presented the facts on ebola how to get it and how from text yourself from it. Theres been mistakes. No questions. They will change their direction in terms of making sure people get the education. For months before it was even a story here in this country, the cdc has been putting out very clear information to all hospitals about whats happening in west africa, how to handle it here. Some of that is evolving. But well get it. Well be able to handle it. Taking all the pot shots today we appreciate it. Up know whats helpful . What would be helpful . If you skip spending just one days expenses on bombing iraq and provide materials and equipment for local hospitals and large hospitals. Thats a debate too. While were on this point the
cdcs budget has been cut heavily. We have the dow to get to. We have the fan story to get to. I love the fan. Which ill use one to see if Charlie Crist thomas is bringing me. Still ahead on morning joe, Ezekiel Manuel will be here. Also legendary sports right bob ryan is here. Editor and chief of glamour cindi leive has the definitive list of women. Russia attacks china. Sort of. If you love yogurt then new york is the state for you. Oh, gosh this is yes. This is yogurt politics. Snacks. State snacks when we come back. I love having a free checked bag. With my united mileageplus explorer card. I have saved 75 in checked bag fees. Priority boarding is really important to us. You can just get on the plane and relax. I love to travel, no foreign transaction fees means real savings. We can go to any country and spend money the way we would in the us. When i spend money on this card
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to become the first black republican elected to congress. Theres 25 black american candidates running for state office. Some are calling it a by product of president obamas administration. Mike . Well find out about that. The post standard yogurt has been named the official snack of new york state. Governor andrew cuomo signed the legislation yesterday in a courageous move. Jon stewart takes us on a trip down albany lane. At the behest of a local fourth grade class attempting to bring forth into law official honor for yogurt. As far as the state snack what are we defining as a snack here . Its selfexplanatory. You have breakfast, lunch and dinner. Then you have snacks. Did you consider, say the potato chip as the potential
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